posted December 09, 2016 08:15 PM            

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Originally posted by athenaia:
Faith, if I were to tag you in a synastry post, would you be able to grace it with your analysis? I also have a Saturn/IC contact in my synastry with my boyfriend and your analysis of it on SaturnFan's thread struck a chord with me!

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posted December 10, 2016 03:49 AM            

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Originally posted by athenaia:
Faith, if I were to tag you in a synastry post, would you be able to grace it with your analysis? I also have a Saturn/IC contact in my synastry with my boyfriend and your analysis of it on SaturnFan's thread struck a chord with me!

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She`s a great astrologer, even though she constantly tries to deny it.

posted December 10, 2016 05:33 AM            

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Originally posted by MahaKali:
Why some people pay much attention on asteroids, especially in Synastry? I mean, it's fun, can be interesting to dig deeper but there's thousand of them, all over our chart, they are small. Even if they have some impact, it's a low energy.

I read some articles about, for example, bad asteroids like Nesuss, which can bring abuse if touches some planet in synastry, and saw many times comments like RUN, I WOULD RUN and similar. How someone can say something like that? There's huge number of bad asteroids, and I'm pretty sure that if you would dig deeper, at least two bad asteroids would touch some of your planets. After all, even if we talk about planets, good and hard aspects between them, it's also very unprofessional to focus on one bad aspect, and say someone it will bring pain, sorrow or whatever, like many astrologers (bad in my opinion) do, and not to talk about some asteroids..

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Agree and I think you cannot avoid having ANY bad aspects in synastry, even if you dont include the asteroids. I mean, how many times did you stumble into a synastry chart which was totally perfect? And how many times, out of all those few times, did you even have anything romantic going on with that person? Just because you have a perfect chart together, doesnt mean you're gonna end up... there is also such things as timing, transits, etc.

posted December 10, 2016 09:04 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
She`s a great astrologer, even though she constantly tries to deny it.

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Pshaw

posted December 10, 2016 09:19 AM            

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Originally posted by next to neptune:
And I think it's such a shame that if you really like someone, look up your synastry and it looks really good, but then you dig deeper and find some stupid asteroid like nessus conjunction your sun exact, and it might seem frightening, and then you would probably run! But thats b***s*** imo.

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I think there will always be astrologers who overstep their boundaries. Unfortunately some of them seem to enjoy abusing people by planting frightening ideas in their heads. They like to feel they are remote-controlling people's lives from afar.

Saddest of all is some astrologers' eagerness to brand certain people as fundamentally undesirable ("If you see this aspect in a person, RUN!"). That is very toxic. It's a shame that people hook into that fear-mongering dogma, but I suppose they must have been seeking out dreadful information in the first place, and then felt satisfied that they found something to supply their demand.

But again, I consider that sick. If you search for the bad in people, of course you will find the bad. Society on the whole ought to be smarter, and stop wallowing on that level. And astrologers shouldn't pander to the low-mindedness of the people who trust them, but use astrology to bring an elevated and spiritual perspective. After all, astrology teaches that there is order in the cosmos, there is underlying harmony, and we who are conscious might connect with that if we are diligent and careful. Astrology helps us see the energy patterns and align ourselves with them so that we might feel comfortable and at home in the energies that compromise our lives. No little asteroid can sabotage someone's character or impinge on their ability to be part of this whole sublime order of things.

posted December 10, 2016 09:52 AM            

Seen many times "BAD" synastry and people still happy together, and "GOOD" synastry and two separated long ago cause of conflicts, fights, boredom whatever..

So, there is harmonious and hard aspects, both can go and act in many ways, depends how couple is aware of it and how ready they are to work on it. Not all of us have same view on relationship, so for example, someone will feel fine in the Plutonic relationship, while for other it will be too much intense and hard to handle with. So it's also important to look at charts separated.

posted December 10, 2016 05:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I think there will always be astrologers who overstep their boundaries. Unfortunately some of them seem to enjoy abusing people by planting frightening ideas in their heads. They like to feel they are remote-controlling people's lives from afar.

Saddest of all is some astrologers' eagerness to brand certain people as fundamentally undesirable ("If you see this aspect in a person, RUN!"). That is very toxic. It's a shame that people hook into that fear-mongering dogma, but I suppose they must have been seeking out dreadful information in the first place, and then felt satisfied that they found something to supply their demand.

But again, I consider that sick. If you search for the bad in people, of course you will find the bad. Society on the whole ought to be smarter, and stop wallowing on that level. And astrologers shouldn't pander to the low-mindedness of the people who trust them, but use astrology to bring an elevated and spiritual perspective. After all, astrology teaches that there is order in the cosmos, there is underlying harmony, and we who are conscious might connect with that if we are diligent and careful. Astrology helps us see the energy patterns and align ourselves with them so that we might feel comfortable and at home in the energies that compromise our lives. No little asteroid can sabotage someone's character or impinge on their ability to be part of this whole sublime order of things.

Nope, that is not the point of asteroids whatsoever.

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posted December 12, 2016 08:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
MahaKali,

As a 21-year student of astrology who has been doing readings for at least 17 of those years, I tend to agree with you. You gave some good basic reasons why asteroids should not be emphasized as essential to every natal reading.

Asteroids are interesting and can sometimes provide some added insight for self-identity when something seems truly missing (after a thoroughly good natal reading that includes declinations), but asteroids are not as important to solid astrology as planets are. I never use them in rectification and they have never been needed for it.

Planets correlate to the human chakra system. Asteroids do not. Planets generate inter-dimensional torsion fields and are stations of consciousness development between lives. Asteroids don't seem to be, although I'm not yet willing to say that this is a rule.

I am saying this even as someone who has Chiron parallel my Asc (within 1/2 degree). I began wanting to help people heal since around age 19, so Chiron's myth is something I relate to well. So it irks me when astrologers get Chiron wrong with false equations to "pain." Chiron was a healer. The fact that he had a mortal wound was a non-limiting secondary descriptor.

When more and more and more objects are added onto the chart we create a formula for superficiality in astrological interpretation. Soon there are enough objects on the chart to go fishing and find a basis to say anything under the guise of 'interpretation.' Then we're ignoring the real energies of the planets for side stories at best.

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posted December 12, 2016 09:29 AM            

chiron is much more than just pain, and though it is part of his symbolism, it is not that kind of pain that is associated with S&M.
Chiron has absolutely no pleasure to inflict harm on anyone else.