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Topic: Saturn - Pluto contacts in synastry = long lasting obsessive passion
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Lalafortunaea
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posted October 12, 2017 06:00 PM
  
What have your experiences with Saturn - Pluto been like? And what do you think about it?I imagine it would be somewhat similar to Saturn - Mars - only more extreme and with a Pluto twist. Thoughts? IP: Logged |
VestasLight
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posted October 12, 2017 07:18 PM
Saturn and Pluto don't usually play so nicely together in synastry. There ends up being a lot of power struggles. Of course there are always exceptions.The one time I experienced this conjunction it was 4° wide. He was Saturn. And man, he just wanted to squelch any bit of power he saw in me. My Pluto didn't take well to it. In the end despite how difficult and painful it was, it was an incredible learning experience for me. (Saturn often ends up teaching us something.) IP: Logged |
Lalafortunaea
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posted October 13, 2017 09:29 AM
@Vestas that sounds rough, and it must have been pretty stifling.--- My take on a slightly different outcome is that what could happen is that yes, it is a learning experience, and for both, even the Saturn learns something. So, maybe one could have rigid, binding Saturn come along, try to control Pluto, who is this wild, raw, powerful, intense, transformative energy. Pluto ends up exerting their power even more, to rise up to Saturn's need to discipline and control Pluto's behavior. In the end, Saturn could learn the lesson of not needing to contain or stifle, or rather, stifle their own need to stifle, and Pluto could learn that they are much more powerful than they thought. Out of the bed, while they remain civil, trying to let each other be, while still being bound to each other in a maddening dance, while the Pluto constantly needs to break free of Saturn's reins, and instead Saturn is forced to CONTROL and stifle their own need to control, because Pluto is fighting them every step of the way. I feel like this is what could create the obessive passion. So, with regards to a romantic and sexual relationship - Saturn, receiving Pluto's obsessive energy, obsessively wants to discipline Pluto, and Pluto, constantly on guard and exerting themselves, it could create an almost explosive sexual tension between the two, wherein the only way to finally turn the release valve, is to have sex in order to release those tensions. So, in bed (or wherever they fancy), Pluto finally let's go, stops exerting themselves, and becomes submissive to Saturn's discipline (it doesn't have to be BDSM, tho could be, or just very dominating on Saturn's part). Likewise, Saturn can finally freely tell Pluto what to do and make Pluto behave however Saturn wants. Saturn's binding nature could actually... bind Pluto, literally. And Pluto can understand that being submissive is its own kind of power. And that power, in the bedroom, will transform Saturn, and Pluto, sexually - and that will ultimately be how Pluto gets what they want, how they get the death and rebirth and merging they crave. I think it could be expressed like that under certain circumstances. IP: Logged |
Lalafortunaea
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posted October 13, 2017 09:48 AM
Another alternative could be that Saturn plays the role as someone who cares for the Pluto person, and, in a way, does control and tell them what to do. However, in the Pluto person's chart, if the planets, signs and houses work out in favor - then the Pluto person could end up being actually happy with the Saturn person's influence, and welcome it.Likewise, the the Pluto person, with a different chart, could often be hectic and out of control, and tend to spiral, and the Saturn could add a calming, controlled twist that gives the Pluto the stability they crave and need. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted October 13, 2017 12:35 PM
I honestly don't think Saturn/Pluto is something that feels good. One can learn but it would not be an aspect I would want in a synastry lol------------------
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Lalafortunaea
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posted October 13, 2017 03:15 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I honestly don't think Saturn/Pluto is something that feels good. One can learn but it would not be an aspect I would want in a synastry lol
Well, my musings are all hypothetical for the moment. I don't know if anyone's experienced it and liked it, but who knows? IP: Logged |
Lalafortunaea
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posted October 15, 2017 08:27 AM
Bump!If anyone's experienced this contact, I'd like to know your story! IP: Logged |
Phoenix35
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posted July 29, 2021 03:14 PM
@Lalafortunaea quote:
Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
@Vestas that sounds rough, and it must have been pretty stifling.--- My take on a slightly different outcome is that what could happen is that yes, it is a learning experience, and for both, even the Saturn learns something. So, maybe one could have rigid, binding Saturn come along, try to control Pluto, who is this wild, raw, powerful, intense, transformative energy. Pluto ends up exerting their power [b]even more, to rise up to Saturn's need to discipline and control Pluto's behavior. In the end, Saturn could learn the lesson of not needing to contain or stifle, or rather, stifle their own need to stifle, and Pluto could learn that they are much more powerful than they thought. Out of the bed, while they remain civil, trying to let each other be, while still being bound to each other in a maddening dance, while the Pluto constantly needs to break free of Saturn's reins, and instead Saturn is forced to CONTROL and stifle their own need to control, because Pluto is fighting them every step of the way. I feel like this is what could create the obessive passion. So, with regards to a romantic and sexual relationship - Saturn, receiving Pluto's obsessive energy, obsessively wants to discipline Pluto, and Pluto, constantly on guard and exerting themselves, it could create an almost explosive sexual tension between the two, wherein the only way to finally turn the release valve, is to have sex in order to release those tensions. So, in bed (or wherever they fancy), Pluto finally let's go, stops exerting themselves, and becomes submissive to Saturn's discipline (it doesn't have to be BDSM, tho could be, or just very dominating on Saturn's part). Likewise, Saturn can finally freely tell Pluto what to do and make Pluto behave however Saturn wants. Saturn's binding nature could actually... bind Pluto, literally. And Pluto can understand that being submissive is its own kind of power. And that power, in the bedroom, will transform Saturn, and Pluto, sexually - and that will ultimately be how Pluto gets what they want, how they get the death and rebirth and merging they crave. I think it could be expressed like that under certain circumstances. [/B]
Well, a few years till last post here.. but..
I feel the urge to admit how accurate your interpretation is. You see.. I am pluto (scorpio) squaring his saturn (aquarius) at 1 degree. Yes, at first he did whatever to pin me down. Using his Excellent manipulation skills (plutonian at least- venus in scorpio conj pluto in scorpio in 7th house) to make me his. Piscean as I am, I got running towards him. I could feel his dark need to dominate me. Not long till, of course, we ended up playing out as you mentioned. Me, being submissive to him (even in that BDSM concept), giving him total control of myself. And yes, I know this is my power. I can see his need for power and control, his need to own me. You know, there are moments I can see that dark plutonic energy in his eyes, since of course ... his pluto trines exact my Pisces venus. So.. power is equally shared I think, at least in that level. He wants to own me, I want to be owned by him. But giving him the satisfaction to have these both.. is my own power.
You couldn't have got better into this.
I am really shocked!!!
Well done!!
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Hikaru29
Knowflake Posts: 3875
From: Asia
Registered: Nov 2018
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posted July 30, 2021 02:09 AM
I’ve a different take on this being the Saturn person. My Saturn square my guy’s Pluto/Moon/Nodes. He felt I was ‘controlling’ but from my perspective he was reckless and doing things to rub his ego / feel good (to his own detriment) only to show that he was ‘in-charge’, that he was able to do all these things freely. Pluto has a huge ego too, mind you. So at some point I decided I didn’t wanna deal with something which was wasting my time and I couldn’t bear to watch the carnage. Worse, I was deemed as the bad person, a wet blanket. When I decided to wash my hands off his affairs, Pluto changed. He realised he needs Saturn and Saturn wasn’t trying to be a blanket. So in a nutshell, Pluto should try to see Saturn’s perspectives as well who has been blackwashed too often. IP: Logged |
Spearmintrhino
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Registered: Jul 2021
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posted July 30, 2021 02:58 AM
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Saturn could learn the lesson of not needing to contain or stifle, or rather, stifle their own need to stifle, and Pluto could learn that they are much more powerful than they thought.Out of the bed, while they remain civil, trying to let each other be, while still being bound to each other in a maddening dance, while the Pluto constantly needs to break free of Saturn's reins, and instead Saturn is forced to CONTROL and stifle their own need to control, because Pluto is fighting them every step of the way. I feel like this is what could create the obessive passion. So, with regards to a romantic and sexual relationship - Saturn, receiving Pluto's obsessive energy, obsessively wants to discipline Pluto, and Pluto, constantly on guard and exerting themselves, it could create an almost explosive sexual tension between the two, wherein the only way to finally turn the release valve, is to have sex in order to release those tensions. So, in bed (or wherever they fancy), Pluto finally let's go, stops exerting themselves, and becomes submissive to Saturn's discipline (it doesn't have to be BDSM, tho could be, or just very dominating on Saturn's part). Likewise, Saturn can finally freely tell Pluto what to do and make Pluto behave however Saturn wants. Saturn's binding nature could actually... bind Pluto, literally. And Pluto can understand that being submissive is its own kind of power. And that power, in the bedroom, will transform Saturn, and Pluto, sexually - and that will ultimately be how Pluto gets what they want, how they get the death and rebirth and merging they crave.
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Lalafortunaea that's a perfect interpretation of my relationship. It has taken us about a year to get over all the power struggles and for me the Pluto to let go and trust Saturn. It's a very obsessive relationship. It has definitely come with its lessons of learning to let go and let someone else take the reigns I don't always have to be the dominant one in control of everything.
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AquaMoon323
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posted June 29, 2024 06:05 PM
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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
@Vestas that sounds rough, and it must have been pretty stifling.---
So, with regards to a romantic and sexual relationship - Saturn, receiving Pluto's obsessive energy, obsessively wants to discipline Pluto, and Pluto, constantly on guard and exerting themselves, it could create an almost explosive sexual tension between the two, wherein the only way to finally turn the release valve, is to have sex in order to release those tensions. So, in bed (or wherever they fancy), Pluto finally let's go, stops exerting themselves, and becomes submissive to Saturn's discipline (it doesn't have to be BDSM, tho could be, or just very dominating on Saturn's part). Likewise, Saturn can finally freely tell Pluto what to do and make Pluto behave however Saturn wants. Saturn's binding nature could actually... bind Pluto, literally. And Pluto can understand that being submissive is its own kind of power. And that power, in the bedroom, will transform Saturn, and Pluto, sexually - and that will ultimately be how Pluto gets what they want, how they get the death and rebirth and merging they crave. I think it could be expressed like that under certain circumstances.
THIS FEELS SPOT ON!!!! I just start a situationship that has ALOT of Pluto aspects between the both of us hitting many inner planets and natally but I l’ve never had Pluto opposite Saturn synastry before and I can tell this is probably the way ours will manifest!! I also am the Mars in our Mars square pluto and so I am very reactive and he seems he calm and controlled and it annoys me off but intrigues me like a moth to a flame. And I already have a preference of bdsm but have never rly found anyone to rly live that out fully with. Could my my Mars in Pisces but I love the idea of being dominated sexually and I desire that from this situationship. Our connect is palpable I find it so intoxicating and we haven’t even had sex yet just a little fun in other ways if you know what I mean (I’m a pleaser lol) but I just crave him but I can tell he’s not the time to lose control but I do sense a sexual energy about him that would make that an area where I could easily manipulate because I feel he’d want to control me sexually. I am Pluto and Saturn dominate so maybe this aspects somehow I would find enjoyable because it is the great paradox between helpless passionate obsession and need for total self control. That paradox lives within me I struggle with it daily and maybe this is a manifestation of it through a bdsm plutonic Saturnian fling lol we also have Venus conjuct Saturn in composite go figure 😂 IP: Logged | |
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