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astrosaz
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posted May 21, 2018 04:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astrosaz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's Royal protocol for wedding guests not to look up too much, partly because they are being watched at all times and so you don't take your eyes off the two getting married - that's what I read

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posted May 21, 2018 06:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh my...I just realized Prince William has both his natal Saturn and Pluto square poor Kate's Moon and Sun....and she doesn't return the blast. He could be very mean and restricting to her with that double square to her core - Sun and Moon. I bet she doesn't feel enough TLC with Will. I suppose this could be depressing watching how lovey dovey Harry and Meghan are...aye..

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posted May 21, 2018 07:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How close are these squares, Orange?

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posted May 21, 2018 09:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
his Saturn square her Sun is at 3' and his Saturn square her Moon is at 3', too
Ouch! Poor Kate! Her Saturn doesn't have harsh aspect to his chart
His Pluto squares her Sun and Moon at around 4'
His Pluto squares her Nodes at 0'

Harry's Saturn also squares Meg's Sun, I think at about 2'
I think harry will come to his Virgo nature and become critical of Meg

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posted May 21, 2018 09:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh I just saw in my news feed this 2013 clip of Meghan ...not shy at all!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EM2xi5Jnd0

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posted May 21, 2018 10:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yea, she has a lot of poise. That guy was talking so lamely lol

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posted May 22, 2018 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for margym0o     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I never liked Meghan even as a TV character on her show Suits. Something about her just rubs me the wrong way...she seems fake. Being an actress, one can never tell if she is just "acting" or not. She may of just landed the biggest "role" of her life...

One of her biggest talking points is how she and Harry found out about their common interests on their first date. She saw in him an opportunity to propel herself further than she could have on her own I think. What better way for an actress with shaky acting skills to stay relevant than to be permanently fixated in the spotlight.

Harry definitely seems more into her than she into him. She is beautiful, no doubt, and he probably feels lucky to have "scored" such a babe. There is definitely a level of superficiality with their relationship - his Libra Venus loves a pretty face. His Virgo Sun makes him a self-sacrificing person by nature. He probably caters to her every whim and does what he can to keep the peace (Taurus Moon). He is no stranger to living on the edge with a wild past (Sag Mars) and choosing a "controversial" bride says it all doesn't it.

I wasn't moved by her at all during the ceremony. She barely shed a tear. I think Harry put on a much bigger display of emotion and it seemed very raw and real. She seemed to me too "perfect" with all of her meme-worthy facial expressions. Were her intense gazes at Harry genuine or that of someone who knew the camera was on her? Even outside on the steps as they were leaving the church, she mouthed to him "kiss me" before their iconic kiss that is now circulating the globe. Another staged moment.

I don't think it will last. If it does it will be because Harry breaks his back to not shame the family and keep their unit intact.

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posted May 22, 2018 01:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for HappyLoewe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by astrosaz:
It's Royal protocol for wedding guests not to look up too much, partly because they are being watched at all times and so you don't take your eyes off the two getting married - that's what I read

Not really true. The protocols are to be attentive but not overly so. When exchanging vows, they should look as though they are paying attention. They should not chatter too much, roll their eyes, pull faces, eat, drink, touch themselves (especially the face) and generally sit upright. If you watch W&K wedding, you will see they are much more attentive and interested in the whole affair.

In this wedding, a lot of them seemed uninterested. Prince Edward and Sophie seemed the most attentive to me.

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posted May 22, 2018 04:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Her chart shows her to be very introverted due to the bottom half heavy chart, so she knows how to act friendly etc.

I don't have a feel for her yet. I am gonna do an article on her natal chart.

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posted May 22, 2018 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DreamCatcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Orange:
oh my...I just realized Prince William has both his natal Saturn and Pluto square poor Kate's Moon and Sun....and she doesn't return the blast. He could be very mean and restricting to her with that double square to her core - Sun and Moon. I bet she doesn't feel enough TLC with Will. I suppose this could be depressing watching how lovey dovey Harry and Meghan are...aye..

I have to be honest- I never liked William. He seems critical. controlling, manipulative and demeaning. I have never looked at his chart though.

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posted May 22, 2018 06:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lalafortunaea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Her chart shows her to be very introverted due to the bottom half heavy chart, so she knows how to act friendly etc.

I don't have a feel for her yet. I am gonna do an article on her natal chart.



Really? I never heard of that... Do you have some examples?

I've never seen that to be true with anyone I've studied - as in bottom heavy people being more introverted. Many bottom half charters I know are highly extroverted party animals and socialites.

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posted May 23, 2018 01:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for HappyLoewe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ami Anne:
[B]Her chart shows her to be very introverted due to the bottom half heavy chart, so she knows how to act friendly etc.

I don't have a feel for her yet. I am gonna do an article on her natal chart.


Yes, I know what you mean AA. I think she's acting her part right now but it is early days in terms of her new status/marriage, etc. I was so disappointed with the videos/photos that came out of the recent Prince Charles Garden Party where she was acting insincerely and was very touchy (its a big no no to be too expressive in public). I think she will tire of meeting people but I have a feeling she wants to be bigger than Diana (good luck with that) and wants a tag like "the People's Princess" to show that she's really effected change in the Royal Family. Knowing the RF as I do, I think she will end up looking like a fool and be slapped down by both the press and the RF.

I can see a determination to want to be different but she already is (she's divorced, 36, mixed race, American, a former actress, a "feminist" and a racy blog writer) so she should stop trying so hard.

I asked my mother about Diana and Sarah Ferguson (Fergie) and she said that whilst Diana was absolutely adored, Fergie struggled with her giggly persona and apparently freeloading approach - she never topped Diana but at least she kept her head.

It will be good to see your review on her natal chart because I was she has Mars in 12th house squaring Jupiter (going for it but perhaps taking on too much and eek realising too late), Saturn (not always wanting to help others and being frustrated at not getting what you want) and Moon (this is the fickle-hearted approach: hot for it one minute and then its yesterday's news. I also think it can be a bit volatile and too expressive).

Oooh I'm excited tor AA's post !

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posted May 23, 2018 04:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
THank you, Love. I did a Part One in the first forum and I will do a Part Two in the next few days xoxox

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posted May 25, 2018 08:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just saw this..…..Kate and Harry , totally ignoring William and having a blast when near each other. So cute. They do have Uranus-Mercury square for fun and laugh. They also have a Venus- Mars conjunction. And Mars-Juno exact conjunction. Her Saturn also conjuncts his Venus...…

http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/yes-prince-harry-kate-middleton-183109957.html

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posted May 25, 2018 09:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:

Really? I never heard of that... Do you have some examples?

I've never seen that to be true with anyone I've studied - as in bottom heavy people being more introverted. Many bottom half charters I know are highly extroverted party animals and socialites.


Exactly, 1st, 3rd, 5th houses are all well-suited for partying. The only house suited for introversion is 4th perhaps.

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posted May 26, 2018 09:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My parents have been married for 45 years and my dads Venus is only squaring my moms 6th ruler Jupiter...his descendant and 7th house overlays is also unaspected hmmmm I wonder how the heck my dad still loves my mother???....hmmmm just because a mans venus/descendant/7th House planets/7th ruler is unaspected doesn’t mean he doesn’t love her...just my opinion.

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posted May 26, 2018 09:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunaIscariot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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My parents have been married for 45 years and my dads Venus is only squaring my moms 6th ruler Jupiter...his descendant and 7th house overlays is also unaspected hmmmm I wonder how the heck my dad still loves my mother???....hmmmm just because a mans venus/descendant/7th House planets/7th ruler is unaspected doesn’t mean he doesn’t love her...just my opinion.

You should post their synastry and composite
Are you sure the TOB are correct?

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posted May 27, 2018 01:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for capricorncheriscty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with your 4th point Ami. I was absolutely shocked when I first looked at their synastry and composite. It is very...bland.

I only first heard of this couple about a year or so ago. Around summer of last year I believe. The way I saw people kept talking about them, I got excited thinking that this was finally a soulmate Hollywood couple that had made its way into the spotlight, but after checking their synastry and composite I can see that they are the typical "fall in lust, proclaim love, then get divorced when tr Uranus and tr Neptune come out to play" Hollywood couple I have always tragically seen.

I hate to be a negative priss but that's really how I see it being. Their synastry and composite are not HORRIBLE at all! But they're not great. They're poorly average at best. I think even Diana and Charles had a "better" synastry and composite, if I remember correctly. Even Kate and William have a better synastry and composite and everyone always said they wouldn't make it to the wedding aisle (I didn't believe this though, they were together for over 8 years before he popped the question, I knew she was a keeper!)

Harry and Meghan look very pretty and well-kept next to one another but geez. What an absolutely bland synastry and composite. I was expecting and hoping for something more what with the way people go on about them. My Pisces placements loves a good fairy tale love story and this does not seem to be it once you get past the surface level of things... Did you see that interview they did together? AWKWARD. It's like they don't even know each other :/

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posted May 27, 2018 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for capricorncheriscty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, I have heard that Miss Kate Middleton does not like Meghan Markle. Something about Meghan purposely letting paparazzi follow her into Pippa Middleton's wedding. Pippa is Kate little sister I think.

I used the Leo ASC birth time for Kate and the composite of Kate and Meghan is kind of nice but I don't think being kind of nice is enough to justify doing something like that. I can understand Kate not liking her if any of those rumours are true. You don't drag paparazzi into my little sisters wedding! That's so mean and insensitive. I feel like Meghan is a bit manipulative too. She has like the three most manipulative signs I've personally met spread through her chart: Leo, Libra, and Cancer...

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posted May 29, 2018 12:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I agree with your 4th point Ami. I was absolutely shocked when I first looked at their synastry and composite. It is very...bland.

I only first heard of this couple about a year or so ago. Around summer of last year I believe. The way I saw people kept talking about them, I got excited thinking that this was finally a soulmate Hollywood couple that had made its way into the spotlight, but after checking their synastry and composite I can see that they are the typical "fall in lust, proclaim love, then get divorced when tr Uranus and tr Neptune come out to play" Hollywood couple I have always tragically seen.

I hate to be a negative priss but that's really how I see it being. Their synastry and composite are not HORRIBLE at all! But they're not great. They're poorly average at best. I think even Diana and Charles had a "better" synastry and composite, if I remember correctly. Even Kate and William have a better synastry and composite and everyone always said they wouldn't make it to the wedding aisle (I didn't believe this though, they were together for over 8 years before he popped the question, I knew she was a keeper!)

Harry and Meghan look very pretty and well-kept next to one another but geez. What an absolutely bland synastry and composite. I was expecting and hoping for something more what with the way people go on about them. My Pisces placements loves a good fairy tale love story and this does not seem to be it once you get past the surface level of things... Did you see that interview they did together? AWKWARD. It's like they don't even know each other :/


You didn't see the Nessus. The attraction of Nessus is off the walls and I mean, the MOST of any single aspect in the synastry. I think one person's Nessus conj the Sun of the other and something else is strongly a Nessus aspect.

I saw it in passing but it wowed me. Nessus relationships seem to end very badly, too.

Also, Chiron relationships start super strong, but do not end well either, so it is not really bland synastry imo but synastry that won't last

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posted May 29, 2018 12:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for capricorncheriscty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess I can't really understand that interpretation as I don't think I've ever had synastry with someone who is highly Nessus to me or I to them. I have heard Nessus is a problematic presence but I can't vouch for it personally. Reading up on it, it does seem destructive though. Hopefully, they can work things out but I wonder if that is even possible since he is so Plutonian and she is so not Plutonian. I just assumed it is very bland synastry and composite for several reasons, including this. They are a weird match. Some people are making it about her race but honestly it is not even that. Their paths crossing just seem very out of place with life in general. I don't know how to explain it.

I have had a fling with a Chiron person though (several of their inner planets conj my Chiron) and I can say it didn't really take off anywhere. We flirted a lot and would always give each other stares and all that Hallmark movie junk but at the end of the day it ended or rather it never really took off to the peak of the mountain where I imagined it in my head. I think it is worth noting that my natal Chiron is conjunct my DSC, my Venus, Pluto, Eros, and Vesta so I definitely felt that bite in my butt extra hard when things just didn't last. I pine for him to this day

Can't imagine how things will turn out with Harry and Meghan but I don't really see it lasting. I think they are both very attractive together but also, at the same time, they look funny together. She looks so obviously American...like very obviously a California Valley girl. It's strange seeing them paired up together. He looks very posh and rich british and she looks like she stepped out of tanning booth at local Kardashian store. I agree with others that they are probably poorly matched by the friend, not only in physical appearance but astrologically. They just seem odd together and not in the typical Uranian way. As a pisces dominant, I sense their oddness is more of Neptunian fog...where you see something off but you just can't pinpoint it exactly.

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posted May 29, 2018 08:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariesdragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Orange:

so, this is Chelsy Davy, Harry' first love. They dated since 2004 till 2011. They have good synastry with a DW Sun-Venus conjunction going both ways and DW Moon-Venus conjunctions/trine. She is a double Libra Sun- Moon, and Venus and Mars in Virgo, conjunct Harry's Sun. Harry's Venus in Libra conjuncts her Sun and Moon in Libra.
Apparently she left him because she couldn't stand the media attention and this was not the life she wanted.
They were very young, too.
Not a social climber, I guess.


she looks really good here...he dated plenty in between their relationship

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posted May 29, 2018 11:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, C, if a Nessus relationship hits you, you will know. It is a strange phenomenon but super, super powerful I have many articles on it. I experienced it and have had many, many clients who come to me due to it lol

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posted May 29, 2018 12:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariesdragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Yes, C, if a Nessus relationship hits you, you will know. It is a strange phenomenon but super, super powerful I have many articles on it. I experienced it and have had many, many clients who come to me due to it lol


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posted May 29, 2018 12:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, Love! You are a good buddy, AD

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