posted November 22, 2019 05:37 PM            

How do I feel as the Sun in his Grand Cross? Keep in mind my Moon is conjunct his, so involved. And my Mars is in trine to our moons.

I feel like I have a place in his life. In other relationships I have always questioned or wondered where I stood, but with him I know. Is it the Moons being conjunct or my Sun in the Grand Cross, I don't know. We have a lot of freedom in the relationship, and yet it feels the most secure of any relationship I have been in.

He is a very busy, routine kind of person. But his routines are just repetitive circles keeping him busy. In a strange way I feel like I knock him out of that routine, but for the better. I give him somewhere to go with all that energy. And me, I feel like I have the support and energy to do things that have been a struggle previously. I feed off of his energy, and as much as I provide stability to him, he does to me as well. He felt like a ping pong ball to me- bouncing around but with no definitive direction. Together, things have direction and that is for both of us.

I had that ping pong action myself bcs of my Sun and Moon opposition. I was always feeling I was caught in a tug of war- indecisive and never making a complete forward motion. So both of us now have new energy that seems more productive. Hopefully that makes sense.

posted November 22, 2019 11:40 PM            

Stonemoon.. that's a nicely deep assessment. Always love your depth!

Don't suppose you'd like to bump your synastry and composite?

Question (I am still chasing this): providing a t-square to an opposition IS a pattern completion..

Would any of you have an experience to share about someone squaring your natal opposition and how you feel/what you think about it (comfortable/dynamic/interesting or abrasive/annoying/too tense)?

posted November 23, 2019 11:17 AM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:
Hi Stonemoon(!), hi Hikaru29..

Would any of you have an experience to share about someone squaring your natal opposition and how you feel/what you think about it (comfortable/dynamic/interesting or abrasive/annoying/too tense)?

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Hey sassaqua, my Pisces Mars squares my Moon/Venus so that person would be someone with also Mars in Pisces... and IME, not pretty even though Mars conj Mars is supposed to be hot.

Couple of examples:

Friend A: We generally get along but I feel that he drains me with his sluggish energy.

Friend's boyfriend: We simply rub each other the wrong way. In fact, he repeatedly step on my toes by accusing me of stuff I didn't do. Now we avoid each other.

posted November 23, 2019 11:34 AM            

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Originally posted by StoneMoon:
I feel like I have a place in his life. In other relationships I have always questioned or wondered where I stood, but with him I know. Is it the Moons being conjunct or my Sun in the Grand Cross, I don't know. We have a lot of freedom in the relationship, and yet it feels the most secure of any relationship I have been in.

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It's nice knowing that Grand Crosses can be positive.

Someone with personal planets in Virgo will complete a grand cross for me so it's no wonder I'm attracted to people with Virgo placements. They're usually like my balancer.

posted November 23, 2019 06:48 PM            

I don't reeelly have an opposition.

Although, I kind of do, but it's that Chiron opposite Moon/Uranus and Pluto (of the Gen Xers). Pluto and Uranus are not conjunct, but the Chiron hits the midpoint.

Cancer would be my 4th leg then, AND in my 7th house.

BUT, it's complicated: as it is opposite my Venus (in the 12th). I don't know if that's the discomfort I feel.. Or if it's because it's square my Moon (conjunct Uranus).

Or, if, Cancer guys just don't do it for me with my Mars (Jup and Nep) in Sagitarius. Quite different men for sure.

Those people conjuncting your Pisces Mars... I've come to see conjunctions as so very dependent on how those other people's planets are aspected: if their Mars is a bad Mars, it will infect your chart via the conjunction and won't feel good. Especially when it's Mars.

A conjunction is also like two planets competing for the same space. Again, if it's Mars it will be quite "dynamic".. ie, combative and competitive for that space

posted November 23, 2019 10:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Sinder:
What about A grand trine involving Juno and Venus in one person and someone’s Venus makes it complete?

And what about Psyche completing someone’s grand trine involving that involves another’s Sun and Moon

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posted November 24, 2019 02:26 AM            

I haven't really looked at how it feels with different Pisces planets on my Mars... now lemme see...

My brother's Pisces Moon is conjunct my Mars square my Moon/Venus. We fought like no tomorrow when we were young, but at the same time, he was also extremely protective of me. Now we get along much better but we can still have very emotional arguments, haha. So it seems Moon being so receptive gets very much influenced by Mars. I think my t-square set him off at times.

My friend has Pisces ASC on my Mars square my Moon/Venus. More peaceful. We've always been close.

posted November 24, 2019 03:46 AM            

all I can say is that is sounds like a lovely mix.

But trines are known to be a very low background hum. So low, some people don't even like them!

So it may not be noticed a great deal? Also given the soft planets involved.

But still, an easy of being together will be present. A nice warmth I would think.

Personally I like the sound of that.

Hikaru29 -

your Moon/Venus is opposite or conjunct?

posted November 24, 2019 04:02 AM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:

Hikaru29 -

your Moon/Venus is opposite or conjunct?

That's fitting of the Moon and Mars, hey

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My Moon conj Neptune in 7H both opposite Venus in 1H.

EDIT: Oh, I just remember an ex-colleague who's a Pisces Sun. Not sure if it touches my planets but I absolutely dislike her! Find hers to be too fake.

posted November 24, 2019 06:32 PM            

as for squares to my opposition- not a fan. My opposition is the Cancer/Cap axis, so I generally have struggled with Aries or Libra. Initially there is an attraction or fascination, but in general, and over time, it grates on me or blows up in my face. I do have a girlfriend who's mars and pluto square my moon and jupiter, but its a bit far to square my sun. I love her but take many breaks from her. She is just in my face way too much.

While my guy does square it, he squares it on both sides so there seems to be a balancing act happening. And his Moon being conjunct mine seems to give us common ground. I also think it feels like "more" because he creates a wide mystic rectangle for me- he has Jupiter in Pisces, across from my Mars in Pisces. I have a wedge in natal, he makes it a mystic rectangle. This must soften other areas of struggle for us.

posted November 24, 2019 09:13 PM            

Through the years, I’ve discovered pattern completions to be very significant in synastry AND composites. But it’s very important to look at the nature of the planets. For example, soft/feminine planets work very well with other harmonious/nice planets. Think Venus, moon, Neptune, Jupiter. (Mercury and sun are rather neutral but work well with these benefic/soft planets too).
Any sort of t-square, grand cross, grand trine, kite etc. with these planets is going to be very positive.
But if we have negative/harsh or malefic planets with each other, it’s a different story. Mars, Saturn, Pluto, Uranus. You usually don’t want any of these planets in hard aspect with each other or personal planets in a pattern completion. But you also need to see what the two peoples charts are like individually, and how the other person is adding to that.
If someone already has say a hard mars/Saturn, say they have mars opp Saturn, if that other persons Saturn also opposes their mars, it’s not doing much. That person is already use to and experiencing that energy without that person so it doesn’t make much of a difference for that mars person, but it will for the Saturn if they’re not used to their Saturn touching someone’s mars like that. So take into account the Natals first. To see who is going to be affected more.

You also need to see what houses the planets involved in the pattern are ruling.

posted November 24, 2019 11:59 PM            

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Originally posted by StoneMoon:
While my guy does square it, he squares it on both sides so there seems to be a balancing act happening. And his Moon being conjunct mine seems to give us common ground.

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Just wanna clarify... so it works when his planets formed a grand cross?

Moon-Moon is really nice as with my experience as well.

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he has Jupiter in Pisces, across from my Mars in Pisces.

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His Jupiter conj your Mars, you mean?

posted November 25, 2019 12:09 AM            

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Originally posted by LunaIscariot:
Love this thread and discussion everyone.
Great topic Hikaru! A less talked about one but very important

Through the years, I’ve discovered pattern completions to be very significant in synastry AND composites. But it’s very important to look at the nature of the planets.

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Welcome to the discussion, Luna! I agree it depends on the planets involved.

Sad that I can't seem to find explanations of pattern completions in Synastry/Composite online. Most just talk about natals.

How would you interpret this Kite in Composite?:
Moon in 9H trine ASC and Sun/Mercury in 5H opposite Mars in 3H? Mars is sextile Sun/Mercury/ASC of course.

posted November 25, 2019 01:07 AM            

Hikaru29, I so agree that it's sad that I can't seem to find explanations of pattern completions in Synastry/Composite online.
Astrology on line has not reached a satisfactory depth at all. Sometimes it does here in LL. Sometimes..

Luna - pattern completions are so interesting. And it depends on the planets involved for sure.

Something interesting I've noticed is when someone's planet provides "relief" with an easy aspect to someone else's challenged aspects (square or opposition). I think this is really important!

And hence my query for a challenged (square) aspect to an already challenged aspect (opposition). It may work under some only special conditions.. mmaaaybe.

The way I figure it though, is that a person takes a long time to work with the challenging binary, on/off dynamic that comes with an opposition. Someone squaring it would (potentially, at a guess) interrupt that flow. That flow that took a long time for that person to learn how to manage. So, yep: a frustrating interruption a square to an opposition would be. In theory.

I do suppose too that in can work on the inverse: a challenged aspect providing "dynamism" to someones trine or sextile. It could wake a sleepy trine or sextile up?

And it depends on the planets yes. AND what the natal chart suggests what the person will find appealing or repelling.

posted November 25, 2019 06:42 AM            

I try not to overanalyze his chart, but his T-square is chiron uranus as the opposition, with Moon at the apex. Moon in 7th. It's a very personal T-square. Outside forces affecting his inner self. My opposition is also very personal- Sun Moon. But it's internal forces. My confidence (learned through life experience) gives him stability, and his learned ability to navigate uncontrollable circumstances is helping me to deal with things I can't change or control. We have other aspects supporting this, starting with my Jupiter on his Sun and Asc. My Sun also on his ASC and in his 1st.

I have never posted the composite because I don't know that I want the interpretations. For the first time, I want to be content with what I have and not "worry" about all the potential negatives or shortcomings. To me, it actually looks like a very gentle composite. It's not all-encompassing, overpowering, or binding. It's just "there." We have Sun conjunct Venus, opposite Moon. Mercury and Saturn are there with the Sun/VEnus, but further off. I think this keeps it from being too overwhelming. And Mars conjunct Valentine trine Chiron for positive healing.

Moon trine Jupiter, meaning Sun sextile Jupiter. I think that elevates the positivity and joy we find together. We both have sun Jupiter elements in our natal chart, so it's only fitting.

posted November 25, 2019 09:40 AM            

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Originally posted by StoneMoon:

I used to use tiny pic to upload charts. It's gone now so what is the preferred source I should try?

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posted November 25, 2019 05:35 PM            

Me

posted November 25, 2019 06:08 PM            

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Originally posted by StoneMoon:
Synastry:
[img]https://i.imgur.com/t7SDvl4.png[/img]

Me
https://imgur.com/a/LmvLEPk

Him
https://imgur.com/a/h9pHjUi

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posted November 27, 2019 01:57 AM            

"I have never posted the composite because I don't know that I want the interpretations. For the first time, I want to be content with what I have and not "worry" about all the potential negatives or shortcomings."

Yes, I know just where you were at, and I so agree! I recall that it was our last conversation. But, I have been wondering

I won't derail the thread here by adding comments on your charts. But (for sure) I will have a browse.

I've been looking later too, at how the composite can offer respite to the natals. Perhaps it's what can sometimes keep the partners skin in the game: the relationships brings benefits. I remain curious about your composite

Thanks for offering your charts up in relation to the topic of this thread. That you both have Sun/Moon positioned the same is of interest alone.

Happy to hear you are chooffing along ok Stonemoon

posted November 28, 2019 11:15 AM            

I think you are right- the composite can bring relief to the individuals. It can certainly aggravate people too- the old saying about people bringing out the best or the worst in you.

I will show you the composite if you want to see it. i just don't care to open it up to be dismantled and inspected for all its aspects.