posted April 04, 2019 11:33 AM            

Also, what about juno conjuct vertex?

And 3rd: do vertex connections in synastry always imply short term relationships? I have read that mostly it is so.

posted April 04, 2019 11:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Annerice:

And 3rd: do vertex connections in synastry always imply short term relationships? I have read that mostly it is so.

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posted April 04, 2019 11:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Bismarck2:
Not sure where you heard that, but no. Vertex represents fated events.

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posted April 04, 2019 12:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Annerice:
Fated, yes, but are they longterm?? Can they be, at least?

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posted April 04, 2019 12:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Bismarck2:
Yes, they can, however, fated and karmic usually mean the same thing in astrology. Karmic relationships are meant to teach you a lesson, then they often times dissolve. Not always though.

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posted April 04, 2019 12:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
How do you tell if it's karmic relationship? What are the aspects?

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posted April 04, 2019 12:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
How do you tell if it's karmic relationship? What are the aspects?

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They feel like crap, but you can't get out of them or you keep coming back for some reason.

posted April 04, 2019 01:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Bismarck2:
They feel like crap, but you can't get out of them or you keep coming back for some reason.

Any of the outer planets making hard aspects to inner planets can indicate karmic relationships, though usually pluto is to blame.

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posted April 04, 2019 01:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
That would make a lot of relationships karmic, no?
I was thinking there will be multiple combinations to indicate that it's karmic.

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posted April 04, 2019 01:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Bismarck2:
It has to show up in multiple places. Natal, synastry, and composite.

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posted April 04, 2019 01:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Sorry, can you give me an example? It sounds like you've experienced one.. What were your natal/synastry/composite aspects?

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No, I haven't. This is based on what I've read and learned from astrologers.

posted April 04, 2019 08:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
How do you tell if it's karmic relationship? What are the aspects?

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Mainly conjunctions to South/North Nodes, Chiron, 12th house and Vertex, but each of these in different ways. For instance, if one believes in such things, contact to the Nodes suggests a past live relationship occurring again in this life cause it's a deep bond/soulmate meeting. Saturn conjunct/square Nodes is the most intense committed bond but carrying also responsability and a burden. South Node shows the past life connection, North Node the potential future development and goal, where the relationship is potentially heading to.
Chiron is karmic cause it suggests our unresolved issues (from a previous life or this one life), where our wounds come from and how we deal with it, and suggests the healing way out.
Vertex is mainly: "this meeting is fated and life-changing." It is especially useful in transits to predict whether something is "written in the stars" to occur, but also in synastry/composite.
The Twelve house is overall psychic and shows a "karmic path", where karmic means "the outcome of what you're going to do with your path", depending on what it is attached to, it usually shows unresolved issues in the person's/relationship "soul" developments, and suggests there is a need to learn to "let go" and detach from what is no longer serving our well-being and life path.

posted April 04, 2019 08:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Stoika7:
Mainly conjunctions to South/North Nodes, Chiron, 12th house and Vertex, but each of these in different ways. For instance, if one believes in such things, contact to the Nodes suggests a past live relationship occurring again in this life cause it's a deep bond/soulmate meeting. Saturn conjunct/square Nodes is the most intense committed bond but carrying also responsability and a burden. South Node shows the past life connection, North Node the potential future development and goal, where the relationship is potentially heading to.
Chiron is karmic cause it suggest our unresolved issues (from a previous life or this one life), where our wounds come from and how we deal with it, and suggests the healing way out.
Vertex is mainly: "this meeting is fated and life-changing." It is especially useful in transits to predict whether something is "written in the stars" to occur, but also in synastry/composite.
The Twelve house is overall psychic and shows a "karmic path", where karmic means "the outcome of what you're going to do with your path", depending on what it is attached to, it usually shows unresolved issues in the person's/relationship "soul" developments, and suggests there is a need to learn to "let go" and detach from what is no longer serving our well-being and life path.

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posted April 04, 2019 08:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Bismarck2:
What about moon square nodes?

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It is mainly a tight unresolved emotional bond. The Moon also represents the "mother" and "nurturing", so this square might pose emotional challenges in order to learn to "nurture" the relationship on an emotional level, in order to make it work out or develope on a higher "karmic" level.

posted April 04, 2019 08:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Stoika7:
It is mainly a tight unresolved emotional bond. The Moon also represents the "mother" and "nurturing", so this square might pose emotional challenges in order to learn to "nurture" the relationship on an emotional level, in order to make it work out or develope on a higher "karmic" level.

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posted April 04, 2019 09:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Bismarck2:
Thanks! Who feel what though?

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Since it's a karmic aspect, I think it involves the two of them, maybe the planet person is the one who is more subjected to the Nodes influence, so the one who has to catch "the message" the Nodes are sending. But I find that there are always opposing opinions on "who feels it the most" question, so I think it depends on our ability to read the whole chart picture and situation based on the information/knowledge you have on the case...!

posted April 05, 2019 01:02 AM            

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Originally posted by Stoika7:
Mainly conjunctions to South/North Nodes, Chiron, 12th house and Vertex, but each of these in different ways. For instance, if one believes in such things, contact to the Nodes suggests a past live relationship occurring again in this life cause it's a deep bond/soulmate meeting. Saturn conjunct/square Nodes is the most intense committed bond but carrying also responsability and a burden. South Node shows the past life connection, North Node the potential future development and goal, where the relationship is potentially heading to.
Chiron is karmic cause it suggests our unresolved issues (from a previous life or this one life), where our wounds come from and how we deal with it, and suggests the healing way out.
Vertex is mainly: "this meeting is fated and life-changing." It is especially useful in transits to predict whether something is "written in the stars" to occur, but also in synastry/composite.
The Twelve house is overall psychic and shows a "karmic path", where karmic means "the outcome of what you're going to do with your path", depending on what it is attached to, it usually shows unresolved issues in the person's/relationship "soul" developments, and suggests there is a need to learn to "let go" and detach from what is no longer serving our well-being and life path.

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Nice explanations!

About vertex: a few years ago i had a really life changing relationship. I had vertex return in my solar revolution chart that year.
This year transiting north node is conjunct my vertex and juno at the same time. I am having special feelings towards a person with whom i hope to unite at some level.

posted April 05, 2019 01:37 AM            

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Originally posted by Stoika7:
Mainly conjunctions to South/North Nodes, Chiron, 12th house and Vertex, but each of these in different ways. For instance, if one believes in such things, contact to the Nodes suggests a past live relationship occurring again in this life cause it's a deep bond/soulmate meeting. Saturn conjunct/square Nodes is the most intense committed bond but carrying also responsability and a burden. South Node shows the past life connection, North Node the potential future development and goal, where the relationship is potentially heading to.

Chiron is karmic cause it suggests our unresolved issues (from a previous life or this one life), where our wounds come from and how we deal with it, and suggests the healing way out.
Vertex is mainly: "this meeting is fated and life-changing." It is especially useful in transits to predict whether something is "written in the stars" to occur, but also in synastry/composite.
The Twelve house is overall psychic and shows a "karmic path", where karmic means "the outcome of what you're going to do with your path", depending on what it is attached to, it usually shows unresolved issues in the person's/relationship "soul" developments, and suggests there is a need to learn to "let go" and detach from what is no longer serving our well-being and life path.

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You have seen our charts.

In Synastry:

His Chiron falls in my 12H conjunct my 12H Sun
My Chiron quincunx his Sun, conjunct his MC
My Saturn square his Nodes
His Vertex conjunct my MC, sextile Chiron

We have Moon/Venus to Nodes but in trine/sextile.

In Composite, Saturn square Nodes is repeated.
Mars conjunct South Node.
Uranus conjunct North Node.
Venus quintile South Node.
Moon widely conjunct North Node (7°)

Vertex conjunct Neptune, quincunx Sun/Mercury, semi-sextile Moon.

Chiron conjunct Lilith and forms a t-square with Saturn/Uranus.

posted April 05, 2019 12:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Annerice:
This year transiting north node is conjunct my vertex and juno at the same time. I am having special feelings towards a person with whom i hope to unite at some level.

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That sounds like you're going to get married, LOL !! It's a significant transit, so good luck with that :-))

posted April 05, 2019 01:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
You have seen our charts.

In Synastry:

His Chiron falls in my 12H conjunct my 12H Sun
My Chiron quincunx his Sun, conjunct his MC
My Saturn square his Nodes
His Vertex conjunct my MC, sextile Chiron

We have Moon/Venus to Nodes but in trine/sextile.

In Composite, Saturn square Nodes is repeated.
Mars conjunct South Node.
Uranus conjunct North Node.
Venus quintile South Node.
Moon widely conjunct North Node (7°)

Vertex conjunct Neptune, quincunx Sun/Mercury, semi-sextile Moon.

Chiron conjunct Lilith and forms a t-square with Saturn/Uranus.

Does this look karmic? I won't hope so because karmic sounds bad.

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Of course it does sound karmic! Didn't we say that already?
Karmic is not bad at all. karmic is mainly "what you make out of it", it's your inner path, the challenges are there for a reason, since you're ready to face it and make your step ahead, whether you're "willing" to get aware and make that step ahead is in your hands :-)

posted April 05, 2019 01:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Stoika7:
That sounds like you're going to get married, LOL !! It's a significant transit, so good luck with that :-))

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))))) thanks, you are very nice)

posted April 05, 2019 03:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Annerice:
))))) thanks, you are very nice)

But i'm already in a relationship, so i have no idea how all this will develop..
But my feelings towards HIM are just too overbearing

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Oh, I see... I know what you mean! :-( If you like, you might show the synastry/composite here to see how it looks like ?

posted April 05, 2019 03:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Stoika7:
Oh, I see... I know what you mean! :-( If you like, you might show the synastry/composite here to see how it looks like ?

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posted April 05, 2019 04:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Annerice:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Stoika7:
[b] Oh, I see... I know what you mean! :-( If you like, you might show the synastry/composite here to see how it looks like ?

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Oh yes, you're right!! The incredible magical match! Did you get more feedbacks in that? I will have to re-read the post, it all was so intriguing....