posted August 18, 2021 06:52 PM            

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When the planet Pluto meets with the Moon in an exact aspect there is an intense almost fated quality about the relationship. It exists on a deep level in the interactions. This aspect if at a tight orb can be EXTREMELY life changing. This contact is even more potent on an emotional level then the Sun-Pluto. Pluto takes an obsessive interest in the Moon person just like the Sun-Pluto. However here Pluto is more deeply drawn to how the moon expresses themselves. They can see into the Moon person better than others can. How the Moon expresses their emotions and their morals, really touches the Pluto person. Even if they know absolutely nothing about the Moon, they will feel that there’s something different about them. Pluto wants to know everything there is to know about the Moon person. They want to dissect the Moon’s subconscious and mind to figure them out. They feel a sense of loyalty and understanding for the Moon then they would for most people. The Moon is drawn to Pluto’s mystery and darkness. The Moon lives in the night sky, so it finds it’s paring with Pluto to be similar to home. They love how intense and complex Pluto is. Pluto’s morbid-ness stirs emotional responses in the Moon. They see each other for who they really. There is a no hiding from each other. Both people immediately take notice of one another. They can’t quite put their finger on why they stir each other up, but they do. Out of all kinds of people they meet, they will feel something special about their connection. If there are other beneficial aspects connected to this contact then there can be almost a psychic quality to the relationship. They penetrate each other’s boundaries. Now this can be a good or bad thing. The way this contact works out depends on everything else in the synastry reading as well as birth people’s birth charts. If either person has prominent afflicted Pluto in their own chart then this aspect will really bring them for a ride to the dark side. The conjunction can bring about nasty arguments which destroy each other’s self-esteems and self-worth. The Moon can see Pluto as controlling, manipulative or even abusive. There can be stalking or obsessive behaviors triggered on both sides however. This aspect usually show’s two people who have an incredible, karmic connection. They will never forget each other and the depth experienced with this contact. They have great potential to transform each other’s psychological attitudes regarding relationships and even their mothers or upbringings. Since the Moon is the mother in astrology, and also ruler of Cancer. This couple may have karmic lessons regarding children or family. The sex between the pairing tends to be very emotional and primal. A lot of eye contact and very personal. This can be good for Tantric sex too. Both parties will be protective of each other, especially the Pluto person. They feel responsible to take care of the Moon. This can work out nicely when there’s other less dramatic contacts. It can blossom into a beautiful bond.

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posted August 19, 2021 02:58 PM            

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@sashavittoria: Thank you for sharing, as the Pluto person do you feel the same way about every Moon person that makes an aspect to your Pluto? Some people say that this aspect isn't important. If you have it with people close to your age. Since you will have it with everyone in that same generation.

Based on my personal experience as the Moon person. I really only feel this aspect with one person. And I have it with most people. Because I have it in my natal chart. So it tends to come up in my synastry with everyone.

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I had the same suspicions about Pluto and outer planet aspects in general, for the same reason. It's kind of a catch-22 since I would not look into someone's chart UNLESS I either know them well enough (ie, have a close enough relationship) or have a powerful enough feeling about them to do so. So I can't list all the Pluto/Moon conjunctions I've been known and say how many of them really affected me.

However, I can say that I had another strong crush/obsession with another Scorpio moon (Gem sun), that one applying 2'05. I still go through phases where I dream about him for awhile and some of the dreams have been very intense, and the same thing has happened with the Scorpio moon (Virgo sun) I talked about before - except with this new guy the conjunction is exact (applying 0'43) and the effects are much, much more intense. The Gem/Scorp and I have had sporadic but in-depth conversations over the years that slowly bring us closer. The Virgo/Scorp and I are still afraid of each other. lol. The connection was very mutual and very intense when we were physically together, but like I said, communication has not continued much beyond that.

The only other Scorpio moons I know of in my life are two former coworkers, one of whom I've grown much closer with but both of whom I like. The one I'm closer to is a Pisces and the conjunction is applying at 1'55. It's not a romantic connection but we did have a pretty immediate affinity with one another and connect the most out of our work-friend group. The other one is also a Virgo/Scorp and now that I look at it, it's not even close enough to be a conjunction - applying 10 degrees! So just isolating this one aspect, you would think I'd have more affinity with another Virgo/Scorp, but no. The Pluto/Moon "conjunction" is too wide.

Isolating this aspect, I have to conclude then that the degree seems to make a big difference. The closer it is, the more intense. If I were you I would look at all of your Pluto/Moon conjunctions to compare.

posted August 21, 2021 08:21 AM            

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Originally posted by sashavittoria:
Just found this on moonseyeastrology.tumblr.com and from my Pluto perspective, it rings true:

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When the planet Pluto meets with the Moon in an exact aspect there is an intense almost fated quality about the relationship. It exists on a deep level in the interactions. This aspect if at a tight orb can be EXTREMELY life changing. This contact is even more potent on an emotional level then the Sun-Pluto. Pluto takes an obsessive interest in the Moon person just like the Sun-Pluto. However here Pluto is more deeply drawn to how the moon expresses themselves. They can see into the Moon person better than others can. How the Moon expresses their emotions and their morals, really touches the Pluto person. Even if they know absolutely nothing about the Moon, they will feel that there’s something different about them. Pluto wants to know everything there is to know about the Moon person. They want to dissect the Moon’s subconscious and mind to figure them out. They feel a sense of loyalty and understanding for the Moon then they would for most people. The Moon is drawn to Pluto’s mystery and darkness. The Moon lives in the night sky, so it finds it’s paring with Pluto to be similar to home. They love how intense and complex Pluto is. Pluto’s morbid-ness stirs emotional responses in the Moon. They see each other for who they really. There is a no hiding from each other. Both people immediately take notice of one another. They can’t quite put their finger on why they stir each other up, but they do. Out of all kinds of people they meet, they will feel something special about their connection. If there are other beneficial aspects connected to this contact then there can be almost a psychic quality to the relationship. They penetrate each other’s boundaries. Now this can be a good or bad thing. The way this contact works out depends on everything else in the synastry reading as well as birth people’s birth charts. If either person has prominent afflicted Pluto in their own chart then this aspect will really bring them for a ride to the dark side. The conjunction can bring about nasty arguments which destroy each other’s self-esteems and self-worth. The Moon can see Pluto as controlling, manipulative or even abusive. There can be stalking or obsessive behaviors triggered on both sides however. This aspect usually show’s two people who have an incredible, karmic connection. They will never forget each other and the depth experienced with this contact. They have great potential to transform each other’s psychological attitudes regarding relationships and even their mothers or upbringings. Since the Moon is the mother in astrology, and also ruler of Cancer. This couple may have karmic lessons regarding children or family. The sex between the pairing tends to be very emotional and primal. A lot of eye contact and very personal. This can be good for Tantric sex too. Both parties will be protective of each other, especially the Pluto person. They feel responsible to take care of the Moon. This can work out nicely when there’s other less dramatic contacts. It can blossom into a beautiful bond.

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posted August 27, 2021 08:30 AM            

It makes relations difficult because this is the type of energy I want. But I don’t have it unless my Moon falls in the other persons 8th house.

posted September 08, 2021 11:47 AM              

If they are more mature, balanced, and attuned to Love, they will try to help the person to transform in a way that respects the freewill process of the other person. Though of course, even then conflicts and the like can still arise. But the inner intention of the Pluto person will tend to be different, even when things get difficult.

Whatever teh case, the Moon person will not be left untouched, and often neither will the Pluto.

This is most applicable between people that have otherwise powerful synastry, are of a different generation, one or both people are very attuned to Pluto and/or Moon, and/or if the aspect is very close.

Pluto can manifest simultaneously as positive and negative at different times as well. For example, I had a connection where my Pluto, ruler of my IC, was opposed another person's Sun/Mercury/South Node conjunction in the 8th (with South Node cusping into the 9th some), where Mercury is the ruler of their Asc and MC. We are of a different generation.

Sometimes my dark side came out more with her and I overly tried to force change/growth/transformation (which was wrong/limiting of me, and reminded me of when my partner and I first met), and at other times, I tried and did so with love. But I became too attached overall. Am still too attached in some respects though I don't contact her anymore and haven't for a half a year.

(I think we both felt betrayed and abandoned at times in the connection, which is a very Pluto theme).

posted September 08, 2021 05:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Shona21:
Well I have my moon conjunct someone’s Pluto at 1 degree orb and I don’t know why I get very anxious when I see him. Like my body is in a sort of fight or flight mode that I hear my heart beating. Weird.

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posted September 10, 2021 12:34 PM            

From what i can see he's over it, he already has three kids and a wife which i found out through google because he never told me. Besides, we leave something open apparently. We never ended up per se, and we always kept in touch. We never delete ourselves insocial media, and there's always a deep conversation when we get in touch every now and then.
I couldn't find a man like him, and whenever I try, he somehow appears. To top it off, we don't have the same race, we don't live in the same country and not even on the same continent, what makes everything so hard.

We only had personal contact for 3 weeks in 2007 and it was something so intense and unforgettable, I could never have thought that him, coming to my country to meet me would change my love life forever. he will always be in my heart, I sometimes find myself thinking how happy I was to have this experience as wonderful as I did. Few people have such an opportunity in life, and I did. when I'm sad, I find myself thinking about the things we've done, the syntony we've had.
I don't know about his feelings about me. I opened a thread here this week and got wonderful insights from the people here on the forum that I'm so grateful for. I also saw that, perhaps, he felt the same as me or even stronger because he has a moon in scorpion. I just know that I being the pluto, feel butterflies in my stomach every time I think of him, or that I see something of him. It's very deep, it's stronger than me. i know he's married to three little kids (although he never told me) but everything i think about him is stronger than me. It's painful, it's sad, it's intense, it's passionate, it's sensual, it's a wave that takes you and you can't drift back. It's been over 15 years and everything I've had with him is like it was yesterday, it's like he had me by my side, he is in my dreams, in my thoughts and my actions.

posted February 05, 2022 04:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Eternal Energy:
Upon your encounter with Pluto, questions begin to form, questions that seek to be answered. "I was that, I was such. Who am I now, who am I really?", "I didn't know that I could feel like this. I feel...alive. Where am I supposed to go after this? I can't compromise after this", "I feel that I have found myself. And with myself, everything that I have been suppressing, forgetting or fighting with seems to be coming towards me like a huge wave".

Pluto has already been there. He is the one who will hold your hand and tell you that in order to be free, you will have to conquer all your fears and let them go. Your past has always wanted to be released. You were the one keeping it inside, suppressed or forgotten. Not the past. The past has always wanted to go away. And now...this catharsis is going to be the path that will lead you to your freedom. Pluto knows what is there in you. He sees. And he is unmoved. He is the only one who will still be there waiting for you when you are finally free. When you have finally remembered that most of all you are love.

People are asking about Pluto, how Pluto feels, what Pluto wants... This is what he wants. The only thing that he ever wants from you is that you be love. How else are you going to fly high up in the skies with him?... Don't you want to see the light?

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posted February 05, 2022 09:09 PM            

pretty sure i have not had moon/pluto synastry with a real person and dont think that is an aspect i would gravitate towards either, as the moon anyway.

am pluto in a pluto opposite moon draco to draco synastry, if that counts. deep feelings when we first met and i wanted to consume and devour his soul. is this how pluto feels? we have other merge-y contacts though.

posted February 07, 2022 04:34 AM            

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deep feelings when we first met and i wanted to consume and devour his soul. is this how pluto feels? [/B]

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posted February 07, 2022 08:12 AM            

In regular synastry my Moon is on his Pluto/Moon midpoint, and my Asc is widely (6*) conjunct his Pluto ruler of his 7th.

posted February 08, 2022 08:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Giulia000:
I think so. I sometimes find draconic charts more reliable, although I still wonder what's their real purpose compared to the normal ones (since they're so accurate).

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hmm good point. would hypothesize that draconic synastry might be more useful if both are aware of the energetic undercurrents and if both are consciously connected to their higher selves.

posted February 08, 2022 09:00 PM            

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Originally posted by AlmaRegulus:
Sauerkraut, what are your other mergey aspects? anything else with Pluto?

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the most merge-y is probably priapus conjunct lilith:
his priapus conjunct my natural lilith (<1*)
my priapus conjunct his true lilith (2*)

we also have priapus opp priapus (<1*), natural lilith opp true lilith (1*) so maybe more happening if true priapus is used too..

but yes many pluto aspects in tropical - pluto/venus DW, pluto/mars DW, pluto/sun, pluto/merc, pluto/saturn DW. pluto/moon is the only pluto aspect in draconic. much pluto aspects in composite too with pluto quintile moon as part of a golden yod.

with all that pluto, the strange thing is that we are not openly obsessed with each other one bit. much freedom and autonomy between us. i think about him A LOT but i dont think he consciously senses it, and i dont act like it. i remember almost everything he says like its a part of me. i am also not sure if he thinks about me although he remembers almost everything i say. idk. that could just be good memory on his part.

posted February 21, 2022 11:26 PM            

His Pluto is 17 degrees Scorpio house 3
I have Moon 18 degrees Scorpio house 6

Plus I have Pluto rx Scorpio 17 degrees AND Lilith Scorpio 17 degrees.