posted May 10, 2019 06:41 AM            

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The good thing is as this is a Neptunian house, the Venus person will awaken the House person's subconscious feelings and make them open up to Venus in a way they won't do with others. There will be very accepting, unconditional love and a psychic connection where both partners intuitively know how the other is feeling... you almost cannot hide. The House person may also fantasise about Venus and thinks of them a lot.

However, the bad thing is the House person may love Venus but reject those feelings because they don't understand what they're feeling + they find Venus elusive. They may also question Venus' feelings for them constantly so a lot of doubts and guessing game between them. Venus may love the House person but be unwilling to admit it or Venus may not love the House person but only manipulating their feelings. This is why they say this overlay also deals with unrequited love and can cause traumatic experience to the House person.

As Venus, I can relate to a lot that's been said. At the initial stage, he was very interested but he thought I wasn't so I'd to be really upfront. After that he will periodically "question" my feelings for him. On the other hand, I feel that he's very confused with his feelings for me. 😥

posted May 10, 2019 06:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
I've read good & bad things about this overlay so can someone with this overlay share your experiences?

If anyone can relate, pls share your experiences. I'm especially interested to know how the House person feels.

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I have read tonnnnnnns on this and you are right, it is not easy to explain as merely good or bad. It's beautiful but not one of those ideal, conventional, easily seen and understood sort of dynamics. It's nebulous and has many faces and stages to it. It needs to be handled with a lot of honesty and care.

I have Venus and Mercury falling right into the 12th house of my beloved (hehe), conjuncting the ascendant. I too wonder /exactly/ how it feels to the house person, but I will try and relay what I read and what has been said to me so far that I'm pretty sure is right down to this placement (I think the asc conjunctions are pretty pivotal as well).

As you know the 12th house is what is kept hidden from us by way of sleep, trauma, familial secrets, the subconscious and the unconscious. If the 8th house is stuff we keep hidden, the 12th is all that is kept from us. As such, the 12th also houses all that can potentially heal us.

In our relationship, I definitely feel that I have a seismic sense of the feelings and moods of this person. I can sense instant changes and feel the need to respond, and when I do, they are often surprised because they were not aware of this feeling themselves. I think I am also pretty attuned to other people's moods and energies in life because I like to observe, but this feels different to me. I don't put effort into doing this. It's like I'm synced to their private channel. As such, in the early stages of our friendship and relationship, I think I played an important role in undoing some unconscious knots in his mind and life, without even knowing or trying. It was easy for him to talk to me about so many difficult things. I think the Venus person somehow makes the idea of talking about things a little bit bearable, or it feels soothing. I think they may beautify the experience of a confession, somehow. Me being the Venus person, I was completely drawn into their muddy 12th house waters where I didn't really care about anything else but understand and help out where I can - and in return, he cracked open and some deep seated issues really surfaced as they were. There were no excuses around them anymore. I have not been as selfless as I have been with anyone else, and once I realised how much we revealed to each other, I was very very conscious of what a big responsibility this was. We as people are capable of inflicting a lot of pain without meaning to on one another, so it's a part of life, but I felt like if I as the Venus person purposefully hurt him, it would pretty much destroy a very precious part of both of us. Most of the sources on this say that the Venus person has a control over the house person, or that the house person is very susceptible to the Venus person - but for someone who is deadly scared of being unjust, I am as susceptible to the risk of ruining this special window. I think the fact is that the house person quietly relies on the Venus person, or that they rightly or wrongly believe they can rely on the Venus person to uncover their unconscious glitches and urges. If they are ready and willing (and I think the house person will only be drawn if they are ready to undertake some deep work with themselves), I think they will have a sort of deep bond with the Venus person over this connection within the submerged, powerful energies of the 12th.

Venus person is supposed to be somewhat of a mystery to the house person, and I do think the Venus person owes a lot of clarity and honesty to the house person in this sort of dynamic. Venus seems a little bit ethereal and ideal to the house person, and it can go sort of haywire if the Venus person enjoys the idealization a little too much and slack off... You know what I mean? In turn, the Venus person really must keep tabs on their tendencies to self-sacrifice for the 12th house person, to a fault. Because the 12th house really does relate a lot to dependency, I also think some care needs to be placed on not turning the dynamic into a saviour-victim dynamic. The 12th house is also the house of dependence and codependence (they often call it the house of addiction and substances). I have known a few people with activated composite 12th houses, and they were very often brought together by a secret or a failing and this still seemed to have remained at the core of their bond like a throbbing tumor. The 12th house really is no joke in the absence of honesty and clarity. In synastry, Venus may accidentally hit an open nerve and they may both be shocked by what is revealed of both people. Trauma bonding is a real possibility with this placement, so mutual work is necessary to keep the bond for the healing, not because it keeps reminding us of a past, familiar wound.

In short: I see the Venus and the house person talking a lot about family dynamics and mental health, about childhood trauma and internal pressures and struggles. I do see the house person idealizing the Venus person to some extent, and there being a sort of balance act to keep things as out in the open as possible so that there are no grave disappointments later on. The house person may rely on the Venus person to really see how they are perceived and understood - the Venus person will be like a beautiful, ornate mirror for them. They will love the ornaments, but will they love what it reflects? Is the mirror clear enough? Will they be able to trust its accuracy? Are they ready to face what they see? I think this is one of those placements where clear communication is rewarded if achieved, and if it's not achieved, it may take a toll and resolve in quiet discontentments.

Not sure about the unrequited love thing I keep reading about - perhaps with other aspects, this could result in the house person not being able to "register" the Venus person openly. Perhaps someone else will be able to elaborate on this.

Hope this helps.

posted May 12, 2019 06:39 AM            

As Venus, do you sometimes feel confused by how the house person feels about you (whether they actually love you)? The interpretations I've read seemed to suggest both are in love with an ideal image of the other or confuse their feelings for love therefore this is not real love. Do you feel so?

I'm also surprised most interpretations say it's the house person that's confused about Venus' feelings because it seems the opposite for my case. He seems to easily doubt my feelings but I think I'm more confused by his.

There's strong intuition and sharing of a lot of stuff we don't tell others but intersperse with caution... like for me I'll tell him a lot of things then realised I'm revealing too much about myself and feel vulnerable, then I'll consciously hide things. He, on the other hand, takes awhile to tell me things but it will be stuff he doesn't share easily with people. I think this is the result of us both being very cautious/private people. I've Sun/Mercury in 12H and he has Moon/Pluto (doesn't trust people easily). I believe we both brought each other some kinda healing though not necessarily in an easy way and the emotional bond feels unreal yet indispensable. It's like air... you can't see/touch it but you need it.

posted May 13, 2019 07:23 AM            

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Originally posted by SleepyDiary:
I`m venus and I find it a bit overwhelming seeing so much of a person so easily I'm hyper sensitive to him and pick up on his moods and feelings too. We also have moon conj moon in cancer might be why its a bit too much for me. But I also have experienced the same with a girl I used to be friends with, my venus was in her 12th and I could easily "see" her to a point where it was too much. Even she told me I know her better than anyone even her family which kinda freaked her out a bit. She knew certain things she could pull off with others wouldn't work with me bc I would see right through it. Its so true that the house person feels vulnerable and kinda exposed in front of Venus ime. They really do feel like you understand them very well and you might see sides of them they aren't even aware of yet. Its also true with the secret admiration I have heard about this placement. The girl admired me for many years because of the very reasons I mentioned but she tried to hide it because she was also jealous of how I was. I think she thought I was better than her but one day she just told me. The guy too tried to hide that he likes me more than he would like me to know. Ime the house person is the one that tries to hide what their feeling even though it might be obvious to the Venus person.

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posted May 13, 2019 07:25 AM            

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Originally posted by pocketrocket:
Does this placement has strong meaning if someone's venus falls in 12th house, but not in same sign as asc?

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posted May 13, 2019 07:29 AM            

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Originally posted by SeaGoat:
What if your partner has Venus in the 12th house and your Venus falls their 12th house too. ?

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posted May 15, 2019 04:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
@Kani
So as the House person, what kinda "feelings" do you have for him? And why is it difficult to label your relationship since it's official? So how do you introduce him to others?

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posted May 16, 2019 01:11 PM            

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Originally posted by kani:
The feelings are very affectionate (we have other good aspects though) and tender. But I can turn cold very quickly when I feel disrespected or when I feel sth, isn't fair in the relationship. He seems to sense this straight away and then changes his ways.
I introduce him to others as my boyfriend but it still feels weird. Maybe because we started out as friends, I don't know. I can't explain it that well. I'm a bit of a weirdo when it comes to labels anyway so maybe it's just me haha

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posted May 19, 2019 03:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
So it isn't that you're confused how you feel about him? That's good to know.

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posted May 19, 2019 03:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
So it isn't that you're confused how you feel about him? That's good to know.

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