Venus/Neptune conjunction in Synastry - Emotional abuse

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LaceyLeigh Knowflake Posts: 1385 From: Registered: Jul 2014	posted August 05, 2019 01:26 AM I have this aspect in synastry with two different people their Venus in Capricorn and my Neptune in Capricorn. One is a generational aspect, the other doesn’t have it in their own chart. They are too fond of head games, think gaslighting. There is nothing dreamy about this aspect.. Is it possible that this aspect only plays out as something ethereal when it’s a romantic relationship? IP: Logged
Moonbeth unregistered	posted August 05, 2019 04:24 AM . IP: Logged
anska5 Knowflake Posts: 229 From: Registered: Jun 2018	posted August 05, 2019 07:37 AM I agree with moonbeth that this aspect does not point to emotional abuse. From my own experience with Venus conjunct neptune in synastry (with me being the venus) it just points to complete confusion, misunderstandings in reading the other person. I just became very self protective at one point and wasn't open in my interest (venus) anymre. I knew some of my reactions were probably read by the person as 'head games', but in actual fact, I felt it was the neptune person that started being elusive about his intentions. So I guess the emotional fog goes both ways. IP: Logged
LaceyLeigh Knowflake Posts: 1385 From: Registered: Jul 2014	posted August 05, 2019 08:00 AM Thank you both for your responses I don’t even have any serious Pluto aspects with either of these people. The Venus/Nep aspect is the only thing I share in common with these two people. I will reevaluate the charts. IP: Logged
LaceyLeigh Knowflake Posts: 1385 From: Registered: Jul 2014	posted August 14, 2019 05:42 PM Bump. Anyone else experience this? IP: Logged
Orange Knowflake Posts: 7877 From: Georgia Registered: May 2009	posted August 14, 2019 05:47 PM I totally get it how this aspect can lead towards emotional abuse. Not in the beginning, mind you, in the beginning it will be absolute bliss , in a romantic relationship nonetheless. But then I totally get it how this can turn into an emotional abuse by being unavailable, not keeping promises, being elusive ( either from Venus or the Neptune person), not responding, avoidance, lying and gaslighting….this all can happen with Neptune aspects IP: Logged
Moonbeth unregistered	posted August 14, 2019 06:05 PM . IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 74249 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted August 15, 2019 07:42 PM This aspect is more of a not being able to see the other person. That could make problems and usually does but abuse is not the right word for this conjunction. ------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/ IP: Logged
Randall Webmaster Posts: 156948 From: I hold a Juris Doctorate (J.D.) and a Legum Magister (LL.M.)! Registered: Apr 2009	posted August 19, 2019 06:00 PM Bump! IP: Logged
LaceyLeigh Knowflake Posts: 1385 From: Registered: Jul 2014	posted August 19, 2019 08:20 PM quote: Originally posted by Orange: I totally get it how this aspect can lead towards emotional abuse. Not in the beginning, mind you, in the beginning it will be absolute bliss , in a romantic relationship nonetheless. But then I totally get it how this can turn into an emotional abuse by being unavailable, not keeping promises, being elusive ( either from Venus or the Neptune person), not responding, avoidance, lying and gaslighting….this all can happen with Neptune aspects Yes! I have experienced all of theses things with this aspect in non platonic relationships. Actually I’ve experienced it with the conjunction/opposition from other planets too. Sun and mars. With siblings, coworkers and friends. Even if the rest of the synastry seems nice, a Neptune conjunction seems to make things a bit emotionally abusive. IP: Logged
LaceyLeigh Knowflake Posts: 1385 From: Registered: Jul 2014	posted August 19, 2019 08:24 PM quote: Originally posted by Moonbeth: I'll add that even with other aspects, imagine the Terminator of midpoints with Nessus and Pluto and Neptune all plotting to your demise and... You can't tell abuse from a chart, you can only tell fertile land, whatever seeds are thrown and cultivated in there is another business. Abuse is very much determined by its effects on the victim. What may feel abusive to you may feel stimulating to someone else (take humiliation for example, how many people actually seek that in their sex lives?). Sure, we all hear "Neptune = delusion" and it ingrains in us the idea it deceives and confuses, but it's also some form of unconditional love, pure, universal, selfless and full of compassion. So which side is it? Also, don't mistake abuse and head games. Different ball games. Head games can be part of abuse but do not define it. Yes this is possible. However, this has been going on long enough for me to know that this is abusive behavior. Head games in this situation is synonymous for abuse. IP: Logged
LaceyLeigh Knowflake Posts: 1385 From: Registered: Jul 2014	posted August 19, 2019 08:26 PM quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: This aspect is more of a not being able to see the other person. That could make problems and usually does but abuse is not the right word for this conjunction. You’re right, generally this aspect is known for being a positive thing. But, there is always a downside to Neptune, the conjunction can be negative or positive. Maybe with a different sign it would be positive, but I have only experienced negatives. IP: Logged
LaceyLeigh Knowflake Posts: 1385 From: Registered: Jul 2014	posted August 19, 2019 08:27 PM quote: Originally posted by Randall: Bump! Thank you for the bump, Randall! IP: Logged
Somna7H Knowflake Posts: 1738 From: East India Company Registered: Apr 2018	posted August 19, 2019 11:46 PM It's a daily emotional game. But I have promised my self that until I make my heart of stone and nerves of steel I will not give up. It's my new lady friend. My Neptune Rx near 8th House Cusp in Sag. And her Mars Conjunct Asc(Sag) Conjunct Venus. All within 2° of Orb. I also have Venus and Moon in Gemini opposite of those. ------------------ My Chart : http://imgur.com/hCRDawD IP: Logged
LaceyLeigh Knowflake Posts: 1385 From: Registered: Jul 2014	posted August 20, 2019 12:44 AM quote: Originally posted by Somna7H: It's a daily emotional game. But I have promised my self that until I make my heart of stone and nerves of steel I will not give up. It's my new lady friend. My Neptune Rx near 8th House Cusp in Sag. And her Mars Conjunct Asc(Sag) Conjunct Venus. All within 2° of Orb. I also have Venus and Moon in Gemini opposite of those. I know what you mean, Somna. Some days are better than others, but most of them just suck when this aspect is involved. I like how you said you won’t give up. Try not to become too jaded in the process and remember that it’s ok to walk away from toxic individuals. IP: Logged
Somna7H Knowflake Posts: 1738 From: East India Company Registered: Apr 2018	posted August 20, 2019 01:21 AM quote: Originally posted by LaceyLeigh: I know what you mean, Somna. Some days are better than others, but most of them just suck when this aspect is involved. I like how you said you won’t give up. Try not to become too jaded in the process and remember that it’s ok to walk away from toxic individuals. Thank you! I just wanna take mental torture to become mentally tough. There are few other Aspetcs Which holding me back I guess. My Venus and Moon on her Dsc. Her Vertex exactly on my IC. Forgot to mention my Juno Conjunct her Mars, Asc and Venus too. IP: Logged
Librapurr Knowflake Posts: 1583 From: Registered: Jul 2019	posted August 20, 2019 06:09 PM quote: Originally posted by Somna7H: Thank you! I just wanna take mental torture to become mentally tough. There are few other Aspetcs Which holding me back I guess. My Venus and Moon on her Dsc. Her Vertex exactly on my IC. Forgot to mention my Juno Conjunct her Mars, Asc and Venus too. I feel like I keep losing my Neptunes mental tortures... I read it's supposed to be about spiritual things. I heard some people managed to cut Neptune stuff completely from there life. Turn your heart in stone sounds sad. I don't think it's supposed to be goal. Do facts check comparing to Neptune stuff. ( Why I don't follow with it myself..) IP: Logged
Moonbeth unregistered	posted August 20, 2019 06:50 PM . IP: Logged
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 15549 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014	posted August 21, 2019 12:07 AM Does Neptune Fall in your 3rd house or rule your 3rd house? Can you post your natal chart? What does neptune rule in your chart and what house does it fall in? Likewise what does venus rule in their chart and what house does it fall in? Is your Neptune aspecting your Dejanira asteroid? Please respond. Thanks. IP: Logged
LaceyLeigh Knowflake Posts: 1385 From: Registered: Jul 2014	posted August 21, 2019 02:35 AM quote: Originally posted by Somna7H: Thank you! I just wanna take mental torture to become mentally tough. There are few other Aspetcs Which holding me back I guess. My Venus and Moon on her Dsc. Her Vertex exactly on my IC. Forgot to mention my Juno Conjunct her Mars, Asc and Venus too. I understand. Ascendant/Descendant aspects and Juno aspects are both hard to break, add in a little Saturn and it almost feels impossible to leave. IP: Logged
LaceyLeigh Knowflake Posts: 1385 From: Registered: Jul 2014	posted August 21, 2019 02:36 AM quote: Originally posted by Librapurr: I feel like I keep losing my Neptunes mental tortures... I read it's supposed to be about spiritual things. I heard some people managed to cut Neptune stuff completely from there life. Turn your heart in stone sounds sad. I don't think it's supposed to be goal. Do facts check comparing to Neptune stuff. ( Why I don't follow with it myself..) It is very hard to cut Neptune aspects out completely. You are often left wondering if what you feel like you are experiencing is truly happening. It makes you go back and forth. IP: Logged
LaceyLeigh Knowflake Posts: 1385 From: Registered: Jul 2014	posted August 21, 2019 02:41 AM quote: Originally posted by Moonbeth: Apologies for being blunt, but if you know you're in an abusive relationship what the bloody hell are you doing on a forum trying to find astrological names/reasons for it? Understanding where it's from, excusing it, naming it... won't make it stop. You don't need to call it Venus/Neptune conjunction or red door or square box or whatever, if it's abuse, it's abuse. Take care. No need to apologize. Finding a reason/cause for it might help the next person. These are work relationships, I have taken other measurements to ensure that this behavior stops. I just wanted to know if anyone else has experienced this as well. IP: Logged
LaceyLeigh Knowflake Posts: 1385 From: Registered: Jul 2014	posted August 21, 2019 02:46 AM quote: Originally posted by hypatia238: Does Neptune Fall in your 3rd house or rule your 3rd house? Can you post your natal chart? What does neptune rule in your chart and what house does it fall in? Likewise what does venus rule in their chart and what house does it fall in? Is your Neptune aspecting your Dejanira asteroid? Please respond. Thanks. Neptune falls into my second and Pisces falls into/rules my 3rd house. I am unsure about them. IP: Logged
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 15549 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014	posted August 24, 2019 02:12 PM Can you post the composite with both of these guys and include asteroid karma, 292929 and Dejanira and Nessus? Thanks! IP: Logged
PurpleBebe Newflake Posts: 24 From: Registered: Dec 2014	posted August 25, 2019 01:49 AM quote: Originally posted by anska5: I agree with moonbeth that this aspect does not point to emotional abuse. From my own experience with Venus conjunct neptune in synastry (with me being the venus) it just points to complete confusion, misunderstandings in reading the other person. I just became very self protective at one point and wasn't open in my interest (venus) anymre. I knew some of my reactions were probably read by the person as 'head games', but in actual fact, I felt it was the neptune person that started being elusive about his intentions. So I guess the emotional fog goes both ways. This mirrors my experiences with the Venus-Neptune aspect in synastry (I am usually the Venus in the relationship). Whenever I become affectionate and loving to the other, I feel confused and in a daze somehow. It’s hard to explain. It feels like there’s nothing stable in the relationship. Over time, I will drift away unless there are Saturnian aspects holding me back. Haven’t encountered emotional abuse with the Venus-Neptune aspect so far (but with Venus/Moon-Pluto aspects – oh definitely)…. But I think that’s because I am usually too straightforward to play head games and I don’t have much patience for such behaviour in others anyway. IP: Logged

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