posted October 20, 2019 11:35 AM            

(or Asteroid Astrology)

Welcome to Lindaland, Thinkastro!

By the way, please indicate WHICH Lilith you are asking about.

Asteroid Lilith 1181, True Lilith h13, Mean Lilith h21, or the Waldemath h58?

1181,h13,h21,h58

posted October 20, 2019 05:24 PM            

I'll pick one if I don't get a response in the next day or so. Randall might decide before I do.

posted October 23, 2019 02:49 PM            

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posted November 07, 2019 03:25 PM            

@ Kaylapalm

I think you hit the nail right on the head.Much of what you said overlaps with my view of what Lilith in 7th is all about.

I think we should also note that Lilith is not only about women. I think of it as symbolic of the rebellious instincts in us to refuse to be "subjugated" to anyone or anything. And in the BIGGER scheme of things, even Godhead itself.

So women are right now the active force of the energy-because of the oppressive nature of this male privilege society we are living under. But could Lilith represent all forms of oppression/ subjugation(kissing ass) or a demand of equal rights?

What I find interesting however about Lilith is that it insists on equality and not to be subjugated to anyone. And yet it doesn't share this equality with others and CAN subjugate others.

Madonna,Princess Diana and Queen Elizabeth (just to name a few) are women with Lilith in 7th

Madonna has Lilith in 7th and we all know of her provocative and daring career as a singer/author & actress.

She always rebelled against the confinement that society(7th) expects of women i.e to be detached from their sexuality and give that sexual power away (usually to men).She did not "conform" and as her song also later stated clearly :" I am not sorry!"

Princess Diana had her Lilith pulled out of her during her publicly painful marriage to both Charles and the subsequent royal family(7th).

She didn't want to patronize Charle's affair with Camilla and carry on silently as a married royal.She insisted on passion, responsiveness and affection in her marriage.

And she defied expectations of how royalty should behave in public spaces when interacting with "common" people.Add to that her subsequent filing of a divorce from Charles caused waves in both the royal circles and the public.

Interestingly the Queen herself has Lilith in 7th.And this to me is an example of Lilith "hoarding" the power because I see the expression here as "woman on top".

The queen literally tells everyone(including men) what to do and few(if any) are above her.Pehaps it doesn't manifest as "rebellion" per se as she for instance is not advancing the rights of women or freeing them from collective oppression in any way(and add to that society as a whole). She remains indifferent and neutral.

She has absolute power to do what she wants and make high profile decisions that affect the masses.Her relationship with the public(7th) is this :" Nobody tells me what to do". This was evident in her cold televised speech on Diana's death. It was uncomfortable for her to be "prompted" by others to "say something".

In men the struggle is the same.Perhaps not as militant in some instances(admittedly).But I see it also as a rejection to conform to structure or accept subjugation.

It is also the refusal to share power when on top. For as long as obe is sovereign, nobody has any power over them.But they can exercise power over others etc.

Sean Penn has made it clear that he doesn't belong to any Hollywood "elite" and has had a love/hate relationship with the Academy of Motion picture and Television-spanning many of his acting career years.

Robert Redford has Lilith in 7th is also very anti-Hollywood celebrity culture and the mainstream establishment.He founded the Sundance film festival to award films based on critical merit and not because of guns and explosions or box office numbers.

Malcolm X had Lilith in 7th and he defied the established segregated order of the 50's where the white majority ruled over the black minority and cheated them of economic empowerment ,humane rights and legal justice.

Cardinal Retzinger(the spelling is probably off) who was Pope from 2005-2015 had Lilith in 7th. He had the most powerfuk and coveted seat of mainstream religion known the world over. The proverbial "God on earth" according to Roman Catholics.

But did he expose the pedophile rings in and around the church that terrorized and victimized many believers? No. Did he advocate for a woman to be Pope? No.Did he call for countries to unite and end "modern-day" slavery and all forms of oppression? No.

posted November 08, 2019 08:59 PM            

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For so long as he wasn't "bowing down" to anyone, Life was fantastic.

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posted November 09, 2019 01:25 AM            

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Originally posted by Librapurr:
Aries23Degrees, I like this interpretation of Lilith. However, women you mentioned despite of their power had bad taste in men. Madonna, princess Diane, who knows what kind of dark secrets marriage of the Queen keeps.

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Indeed. They truly did.

And perhaps that's also the point? These men serve as "totems" for an existing system or catalysts necessary to unleash the Lilith within?Some people(men included) actually "seek out" (maybe unconsciously) these interactions on a soul level.

The 7th is never about other people- even as it stubbornly "appears" to be. It is about projection. About the based belief that others "out there" influence /instigate or motivate the kind of reactions YOU have.

If a woman(for instance) has no Lilith in 7th, they may not resist the man/society telling them to "submit". Infact(if Saturn happens to be in the 7th) they may see it as the "duty" of a woman to yield etc.Not the imposed "restrictions" at all.But the role they "should" fulfill.

Someone with Lilith in 7th in the same situation however, will instinctively recognize these patterns of control and call them out-because of being instinctively uncomfortable with the demands.

So no matter how "meek" or "mild" they are as a personality, they will resist or find ways to break away from the perceived(7th) shackles on their liberty- even if it means divorce.

These two scenarios illustrate that reality is not "reality" in the absolute sense of the word. We each project or experience it in a way subject to the soul's agenda ie. depending on the energy we have in the 7th.

I could guess for instance that if a woman has Mars/ Lilith both in the 7th, there is a strong possibility that men in her life i.e father, husband, patriarchal society may(in worst case scenarios) try to or even succeed at killing her.

They may do this through trying to break her spirit either through physical bodily harm or mental abuse (this especially when both Lilith and Mars are in Aries or Scorpio).So they are projections for her to awaken the warrior and fighter she doesn't know she is(7th is the shadow side of us also).

When Venus/Moon are in 7th in Cancer/Taurus for instance, the "controlling" men of this woman's life may be seen as loving,comforting or providing "security" for her etc.

She never thinks to question what she is being "protected" against?Nor the reasons why only men can provide this so-called "love" or "comfort"? She (even when she suspects foul play) is likely to be more acquescing than outright rebellious.

***I use women in my examples because they illustrate most viscerally the energy of Lilith in 7th.And that is because of an existing and prevalent patriarchal societal structure.

Much like Moon/Sun/Venus/Mars in Aries women imo personify the instinctive and warrior-like energy of Mars more so than men with the same positions.

And that's because with men, most things are given to them by virtue of being born in a privileged sex. So this is by no means a sexist point of view of Lilith -as if to suggest that Lilith is only a "woman's" issue etc.

I was quite alarmed at how many astrological sites often resrricted it as being "just for women". And it was only after reading other unique POV that I realised that its not.

As Lilith represents the refusal to be subjugated to anyone or live a life of restrictions on one's own personal freedoms.

But Lilith is dark and is not a matyr with noble intentions to free the enslaved outside of the self either(unless aspects and sign suggest otherwise).

And so it can also act as the proverbial "supressor" and be the "hoarder" of power through subjugating others.
As I said, the Queen has Lilith in 7th.And she has done NOTHING for women's liberation or rights at all. She is hardly ever involved in all that. She just cares about being Queen.

Margaret Thatcher had Lilith in Leo trine Venus in Sag(ruler of her 7th). She was definitely the one who wore the pants in her marriage.She wasn't going to be a passive woman there.

And her footing in the political landscape of Britain- through attaining the highest position available as Prime Minister etc. meant she wasn't going to be bowing down to anyone outside the public(save for the Queen) either.

Did she advance the rights of women or empathize with them? Not really. Most feminists consider her very "anti- feminism" at best.

So its not about being " woman". Its being free to rule yourself( and perhaps enjoy ruling over others too).So long as you don't have to kneel to anyone, you are good.