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jyeshthatequila
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posted December 15, 2019 09:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jyeshthatequila     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have noticed that the Nodes in Synastry can cause a relationship to happen but does not last.

And with some planets conjunct the Nodes can actually be beneficial.

Here is what I've seen/experienced:

South Node conjunct another persons planet like Venus, Moon, Mercury and sometimes Sun or Jupiter is what I consider a 'break up' aspect.

To be specific, you are always going to get less of what South Node touches and you are always going to get more of what North Node touches.
South Node represents past lives, so whatever South Node touches is something we have to go through in this lifetime to complete a karma, but usually we won't end up with that person long term.

South Node conjunct Venus: you would get less and less romance/affection as the relationship goes on - this is very bad.

South Node conjunct Mars: you would get less fighting and less aggression which is a GOOD thing to have.

South Node conjunct Moon: you would get less emotional support/rapport from the SN person.

North Node conjunct a persons Sun would indicate that the North Node person doesn't really know or get to know the essence of the Sun individual. The North Node person may be attracted to the Sun person but they really can't get comfortable and relate in a worldly, mundane way. And usually if a couple has this aspect, it can lead to separation. It is an identity factor so usually when you see someones North Node conjunct another persons Sun the North Node person will be attracted to the Sun person and they may get together for awhile but eventually it usually doesn't last until the end.

South Node conjunct someone else Saturn: the relationship may start off a little painful but as the relationship progresses you will get less and less of loss and pain. So this is a GOOD thing.

North Node conjunct someone else Saturn would be another separating aspect. Saturn causes loss and pain, Saturn is negative karma that we go through. So when someones North Node touches another's Saturn, you will get more separation, more pain and more loss from the North Node individual. This is a BAD aspect.

North Node falling on someone else Mars, this is very BAD because you will get a lot more fighting, aggression, debating and anger in the relationship. It will be a competition of will power, none of this is good for a long term relationship.
Example: Chris Browns North Node is conjunct Rihanna's Mars (he ended up physically abusing her during a heated argument).

North Node touching someone else Venus: this is very beneficial because again, when North Node touches another planet, you will get more and more of that planet. Which means with Venus you will get more and more affection, romance, love and compassion.

North Node touching someone else Moon: This is also very beneficial and causes an immense amount of attraction between both individuals but most on the North Node person because the Moon is the mind and is a huge attraction factor. You would get a lot of good emotional rapport with the North Node person and emotional support in general.

North Node touching someone else Mercury: The North Node person will get more friendship from the Mercury person. They are going to develop more skills together, play games together, they will have a very good rapport with each other. So this is a very GOOD aspect to have in any relationship.

North Node touching someone else Jupiter:
The North Node person will gain wisdom from the Jupiter person. They will also gain higher knowledge and be in joy around the Jupiter person since Jupiter rules joy. Jupiter is always wonderful to have in synastry when NN is touching him.

North Node touching someone else ASC or ASC lord: This causes a lot of attraction for the NN person. This is kind of like having the Moon on someones ASC (but its not as strong as having the moon on someones ASC). So this is beneficial and also North Node will want to embody the ASC person.

South Node touching ASC or ASC lord: There is also a very strong attraction coming from the SN person and they may get into a relationship but again, once they have gone through the karma of being together, the relationship usually does not last. SN touching someones ASC can make the ASC person feel like they slowly are being torn apart from themselves. They feel like they lose their identity and can begin to face a lot of anxiety and depression.
Example: After Angelina Jolie & Brad Pitt split, she did a interview where she described that during her marriage she felt like she was 'slowly' losing her own self, like she felt like she lost her identity after marrying him. She gave no particular reason as to why she felt that way, she just said that's how she felt. His SN is conjunct her ASC.

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posted December 16, 2019 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vansio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd like to add something from my personal experience, so my apologies if what I say counteracts what you've written. Perhaps its an exception.

All of my close contacts usually involve one of my planets conjunct another's North Node, whether its a close girlfriend, family, a karmic love, even my college mentor. My individual impetus for north-centric contacts need be deconstructed for another post, anyhow...

I would not wholly agree with the particular dynamics elaborate above. It is highly dependent on what these planets represent in the individuals chart. Rulership is key.

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posted December 16, 2019 02:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jyeshthatequila     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
EDIT: unquoted Vansio

Hello Vansio.
If you read my entire post, I actually explained which planets conjunct which nodes cause the break or the friction in a relationship.

Rulership of houses in a chart does not matter.
The rulerships in your chart can give you details about the inner personality of each house.

I don't talk about or ever mention planets ASPECTING the Nodes. Only conjunct (in the same sign).

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posted December 16, 2019 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vansio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted December 16, 2019 03:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jyeshthatequila     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Vaniso, I don't understand the rudeness between quoting your reply vs. not quoting it.

Must be because I'm still new to this forum.

Also, I don't take your interpretations personal, everyone has their own experiences and thats what the forum is for, for everyone to chime in from experience.
I guess my confusion on your reply is that I don't understand (so maybe you can help me understand) what you were referring to when you talked about all the chart rulers and only brought up one node experience. Everything else you mentioned was talking about house rulerships, which isn't what my post is about.
Also you talk about your lovers Mars square your Node, which is why I wanted to make sure you understood I was only talking about conjunctions in my post, I didn't talk about Node aspects on other planets. So thats another thing I didn't understand.

You said in the beginning of your post that you want to talk from your experience and the house rulerships play a part, but my post is about Nodes and not house rulerships or aspects to Nodes.

& another thing, I have seen certain situations where people don't break up when someones planets conjuncts another's Node.
That is why I stated in my post that this is something I notice some of the time!

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posted December 16, 2019 03:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vansio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
it’s quite ok. I ask for an unquote because it’s my personal preference as a board member for coherency in a conversation. said “I’m right here” because there’s no one else on this thread yet so it’s clear you’re responding to me... a quoted-reply that isolates what in particular is referenced creates less misunderstanding and more productive banter between us members talking among ourselves in public; like for instance, my listing conjunctions and the mutual aspect between nodes to (malefic) DC rulers could be two separate quotes as they were separate but consecutive points in my comment if necessary to do so💙

thanks for opening this thread. nodal activity is a fascinating yet elusive matter. the benefit/malefic side to planets is up for debate in my eyes!

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Well this is a fascinating post. I'm very node-heavy when it comes to my synastries (natal Moon conj North Node) so I have a few experiences to share here.

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South Node conjunct Venus: you would get less and less romance/affection as the relationship goes on - this is very bad.

North Node touching someone else Venus: this is very beneficial because again, when North Node touches another planet, you will get more and more of that planet. Which means with Venus you will get more and more affection, romance, love and compassion.


I had this in my last relationship - his Venus conjunct my North Node and my Venus conjunct his South Node.

I must say that what you write is true. He (Venus) received more and more affection from me (North Node) as time went on, but in the beginning I (Venus) was showered with lots of affection from him (South Node) but with time it began to wither away.

I also have all of these in synastry with someone:

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South Node touching ASC or ASC lord: There is also a very strong attraction coming from the SN person but and they may get into a relationship but again, once they have gone through the karma of being together, the relationship usually does not last.

North Node falling on someone else Mars, this is very BAD because you will get a lot more fighting, aggression, debating and anger in the relationship. It will be a competition of will power, none of this is good for a long term relationship.
Example: Chris Browns North Node is conjunct Rihanna's Mars (he ended up physically abusing her during a heated argument).


This one is really interesting to me, I have a Mars conj North Node double whammy with someone (His NN/my Mars in Pisces and my NN/his Mars in Aquarius). I would say that in the beginning of our meeting we were quite competitive and aggressive with one another, but with time, this has faded and we have grown a respect and soft adoration for one another. I even have this aspect with a different person, a friend born a week after this person, and also a similar theme emerges - there was pettiness and competition in the beginning but then it faded out to sweetness and genuine friendship

His South Node is also conjunct my ASC and I do feel that he is extremely attracted to me, and in the 5 years we've known each other this has grown. We aren't in a relationship though, so I can't speak on that necessarily

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posted December 16, 2019 04:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vansio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by jyeshthatequila:
between quoting your reply vs. not quoting it.

Must be because I'm still new to this forum.


On LL, some of us do not like to be quoted (why I asked if you would unquote me). Say down the line, after this thread is long-dead, if I were ever to want to remove my personal comments on all of LL for privacy etc, I won’t be able to because you’ve quoted me for the internet to see forever. If you need, for coherence’s sake to reply to a piece of a conversation, the more polite thing to do is use the sentences *needed* for your own reply. Otherwise, your quote is binding. Use your better judgement when reaching for the quote button—‘Add Reply’ and writing @vansio is just as useful if it’s general

Anyways, it won’t kill me to declare feelings of devotion for an expartner for a nodal conversation because that’s the astrology of what’s happened in my nodal life but when quoted, it’s a vulnerable gesture.

hope I clarified the quote/unquote thing. *some of us don’t like to be quoted* when our contribution to the conversation is anecdotal

also unspoken rule here. If someone asks you to unquote, please go back and edit if you've read the request

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posted December 16, 2019 05:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted December 17, 2019 01:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Annerice     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by teasel:
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What about the orbs? is 6 degrees conjunction valid?
Or, for example, mars in Leo at 27 degrees and north node in Virgo at 1 degree - is it considered a (valid) conjunction?

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posted December 17, 2019 04:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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South Node conjunct Mars: you would get less fighting and less aggression which is a GOOD thing to have.

Is it the same for SN conjunct Mars in composite?

And how about the squares between Nodes and planets?

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posted December 17, 2019 09:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
SN conjunct mars with my sexual harasser. His Mars conjunct my moon/Venus/SN. He kicked off a hell of a lot of bad in my life. I loathe him.

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posted December 21, 2019 10:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jyeshthatequila     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Well this is a fascinating post. I'm very node-heavy when it comes to my synastries (natal Moon conj North Node) so I have a few experiences to share here.

Hi @athenaia I am working on your Vedic chart right now and just saw this and wanted to respond.

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This one is really interesting to me, I have a Mars conj North Node double whammy with someone (His NN/my Mars in Pisces and my NN/his Mars in Aquarius). I would say that in the beginning of our meeting we were quite competitive and aggressive with one another, but with time, this has faded and we have grown a respect and soft adoration for one another. I even have this aspect with a different person, a friend born a week after this person, and also a similar theme emerges - there was pettiness and competition in the beginning but then it faded out to sweetness and genuine friendship

Yes - that is quite common that once the two people having NN conjunct the other persons Mars - they will always separate and have time apart, they can be cordial with one another as long as they are apart. But they usually don't become romantic again or can't be close to one another (sometimes even platonically) without feeling the friction build again.

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His South Node is also conjunct my ASC and I do feel that he is extremely attracted to me, and in the 5 years we've known each other this has grown. We aren't in a relationship though, so I can't speak on that necessarily

Yes SN conjunct ASC is one of those aspects that creates the attraction, but in the long run it can cause the loss of the ASC persons identity. I just edited my original post and gave an example of how Brad Pitt's SN is conjunct Angelina Jolie's ASC.

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posted December 21, 2019 10:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jyeshthatequila     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
[b] Is it the same for SN conjunct Mars in composite?

And how about the squares between Nodes and planets?


It gives the same interpretation of SN conjunct Mars in composite, but any node conjunctions in composite will not break the relationship or make it anymore promising You would ultimately have to look at the synastry chart to see if you have any conjunctions with another persons nodes.

The squares between nodes and planets - this won't cause a break in the relationship, it can cause obstacles but it won't end a relationship.

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posted December 22, 2019 07:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by jyeshthatequila:
It gives the same interpretation of SN conjunct Mars in composite, but any node conjunctions in composite will not break the relationship or make it anymore promising You would ultimately have to look at the synastry chart to see if you have any conjunctions with another persons nodes.

Sorry, I don't quite get what you mean, lol. You said South Node conjunct Mars in synastry will cause less fighting. So is this the same in composite? What do you mean by "will not make it anymore promising"? What if this conjunction is opposite Uranus/NN conjunction? What will this dynamic be like?

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posted December 23, 2019 10:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dhyana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by jyeshthatequila:
Yes - that is quite common that once the two people having NN conjunct the other persons Mars - they will always separate and have time apart, they can be cordial with one another as long as they are apart. But they usually don't become romantic again or can't be close to one another (sometimes even platonically) without feeling the friction build again.


Having read the person's account of their experience with NN conjunctions to Mars, you appear to be drawing conclusions that don't apply in this case.

I'd like to see the evidence based on analysis of hundreds of charts that support your interpretation.

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posted December 18, 2022 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I really don't see how North Node conjunct DSC can be bad, especially with there is also Moon conjunct North Node.

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Originally posted by Dhyana:
Having read the person's account of their experience with NN conjunctions to Mars, you appear to be drawing conclusions that don't apply in this case.

I'd like to see the evidence based on analysis of hundreds of charts that support your interpretation.


Sooo.... what happened?

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North Node touching someone else Mercury: The North Node person will get more friendship from the Mercury person. They are going to develop more skills together, play games together, they will have a very good rapport with each other. So this is a very GOOD aspect to have in any relationship.

i had this with the last guy i was involved with and no, not really. there was no friendship and the only games we played is manipulation and an on/off communication style.

i’d say the lack of normal talk is what ruined us in the first place, mostly from his side. i used to practically force him to talk things through. i’d tell him to buy a shovel and dig deep because every problem is solvable and the earth is not going to end just for saying what is on his mind. he never could. he’d always say… i can’t talk. i don’t have any words. i kept pushing until eventually i got bored and gave up.
i probably pushed him too hard.
this is how i usually feel in NN synastry. like someone is pushing me hard or vice versa. i think the “enjoyment” of this synastry depends on how much the individuals are ready to deal with their trauma. in this case i was ready and he was not.

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posted December 04, 2024 07:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 93nov     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Chris Brown's NN is conjunct Rihanna's Sun, not her mars.

CB's Pluto makes an exact semi-square to hers mars, though.. and a conjunction from Uranus.. which probably explains the violence between them.

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