posted January 28, 2020 05:15 AM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
In the synastry, HT ... his Sun squares your Nodes - so he is a "missed step" in [b]your development, that tackling now will help to achieve your current-life Aries/Libra node task.

But ... your Libra/9th missed step has to be completed first ... and THAT will not happen if you decide against working with him. [/B]

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Hi Graham, thank you so much for taking the time - it's actually my Sun squaring his nodes exact. What do you think?

His Moon is conjunct my NN, his Sun, Pluto and Jupiter conjunct my SN.

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posted January 28, 2020 06:00 AM            

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Originally posted by HieronymusTush:
Hi Graham, thank you so much for taking the time - it's actually my Sun squaring his nodes exact. What do you think?

His Moon is conjunct my NN, his Sun, Pluto and Jupiter conjunct my SN.

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Also, what you say about work and play resonates so much with my life especially for the past few years. I continually and chronically overwork myself and for the past month I am almost having out of body experiences from tiredness! I really wish I could do less of the time-sucking work and more of the work that requires calm thinking and ruminating - but I suppose that is everyone's wish. To be perfectly honest, if the project we are submitting with this person today works out, it will help me greatly in combining my workload with what I really love to do, not just tangentially but very centrally. Fingers crossed!

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1) With your Sun squaring his nodes, he has the missed step … and needs to now interact with you to learn his Libra/1st house lesson.

2) I consider the orb to be too wide for a conjunction of your Moon to his NN … so would interpret it as 2-arc-minutes-orb 30th harmonic aspect ("skill in recognising patterns").

3) Might the Moon-NN pattern recognising skill be enabling him to see that your work-rest-play balance needs to change?

posted January 28, 2020 08:16 AM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
1) With your Sun squaring his nodes, [b]he has the missed step … and needs to now interact with you to learn his Libra/1st house lesson.

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How do you read his nodal lesson?

Do you then consider the Davison as the progression of a composite - as in, possible parallels in them reveal what is in the future of a relationship? Should the Davison and Composite look alike? Are they parallel here?

posted January 29, 2020 05:12 AM            

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Originally posted by HieronymusTush:
How do you read his nodal lesson?

Do you then consider the Davison as the progression of a composite - as in, possible parallels in them reveal what is in the future of a relationship? Should the Davison and Composite look alike? Are they parallel here?

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How do you read his nodal lesson?

His NN in Cancer/10th is wanting to experience the security of a mother's love (Cancer) in the outside world (10th). ... The missed step (being provided by you) is the Libra lesson of balance. ... When he has learned that a mother's love can be given only to her own child, he will be able to experience the Gemini/7th relationship that is promised in the Composite Chart.
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Do you then consider the Davison as the progression of a composite - as in, possible parallels in them reveal what is in the future of a relationship? Should the Davison and Composite look alike? Are they parallel here?

I see the Davison and Composite Charts as having different uses ... the composite reveals how the two people/egos are seen (as a team/couple) by others - the davison reveals the purpose of the relationship (i.e.. why the two souls are interacting with each other in the current lifetime).

posted January 29, 2020 04:39 PM            

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His NN in Cancer/10th is wanting to experience the security of a mother's love (Cancer) in the outside world (10th). ... __________________________________________

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I'd like to understand how you view this a little bit more Graham, is it expecting familial love from a lot of people? Or is it expecting public recognition to fill the gap of familial love? Is it expecting fame to fill a certain type of void?

Or is Capricorn SN in the 4th saying this person had a rough childhood and their purpose in life is to find a new family through profession and recognition?

I wonder what balancing the two (4th-10th houses) would look like in this context?

posted January 29, 2020 04:42 PM            

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Originally posted by LunaIscariot:
Hey hun, I’m happy by give my take tomorrow when I wake up.

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posted January 30, 2020 02:10 AM            

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Originally posted by HieronymusTush:
I'd like to understand how you view this a little bit more Graham, is it expecting familial love from a lot of people? Or is it expecting public recognition to fill the gap of familial love? Is it expecting fame to fill a certain type of void?

Or is Capricorn SN in the 4th saying this person had a rough childhood and their purpose in life is to find a new family through profession and recognition?

I wonder what balancing the two (4th-10th houses) would look like in this context?

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1) In Karmic Astrology - The Moon's Nodes and Reincarnation, Martin Schulman states that the Cancer NN soul "enters the current life with much inner pride. The individual finds it difficult to understand why others do not show him the strong respect he has been accustomed to in past incarnations. As a result, prestige and the pursuit of dignity continue to be the motivators of all actions." ...And... "In prior lives, he was highly opinionated and strongly resistant to taking advice that would affect him personally. Now he still believes that one's personal life is strictly a private matter. Consequently around all things which relate directly to himself, he builds the 'Wall of China'. it would be futile for anyone to try to break in for at the slightest personal criticism, he starts adding more bricks to the wall. ... His highest achievement in this (current) life is nourishing others." [So he is learning to nurture others, in the way that a mother nurtures her children.]

2) In that same book, Martin Schulman also states "the 10th house NN individual finds that much of his time is needed for the demands of his family. Constantly he feels held down, as if he is prevented from realising his own individuality. The fact is that he comes into the current life with much karma owed to his family. ...And... "when the needs of his loved ones are understood, only then can he have the freedom to experience a career life of his own. ......His greatest happiness comes from being in a position to be able to offer shelter to others."

3) He has a reversed nodal placement (NN in sign opposite its natural house) ... indicating that "the soul has already worked on both of the nodal energies in the past. The purpose of incarnation now embraces a deeper integration and focussed expression of the positive energies". (From The Karmic Journey, by Judy Hall.) ... [So, in the current lifetime, this soul is learning to use the already-acquired skills of both Nodes in a balanced way.]

4) However, in Pluto - The Evolutionary Journey of the Soul, Jeff Green states that natal Pluto-square-nodes indicates both node issues have been worked on in previous lifetimes "yet neither has been totally developed, understood, resolved or integrated. the individual is on an extremely important evolutionary threshold. ... He is simultaneously attracted and repulsed by the issues, orientations and lessons of both nodes. ...(And)... the need to relive and resolve his skipped-steps is magnified two-fold." [So, this soul is actually learning to use the PARTIALLY-acquired skills of both nodes in a balanced way ... whilst also developing their not-yet-acquired skills.]

5) Pluto is applying to a conjunction with the SN. So, the Pluto polarity point (Aries/7th); North Node (Cancer/10th) and the ruler of the NN (Moon, in Aries/6th) have to be integrated through the South Node (Capricorn/4th). [From Pluto - The Evolutionary Journey of the Soul.]

6) "Any planet in aspect to Pluto has been, and continues to be, subject to an intensified evolutionary metamorphosis. Stressful aspects produce tremendous evolutionary intensity leading to cyclic cataclysms and restful states. Non stressful aspects produce a non cataclysmic evolutionary process of a relatively smooth yet continuous nature. When in the middle of a cataclysmic change, the individual will probably not understand why it is occurring. The 'why' will be understood, in most cases, after the change has occurred. The non stressful aspects promote an understanding of why the changes are occurring, whilst they are taking place. The number of aspects Pluto forms to other planets determines the degree of evolutionary pace or change in any life." [From Pluto - The Evolutionary Journey of the Soul.] ... Pluto makes 3 stressful (Sun, Mercury, Jupiter) and 2 non stressful (Mars,Neptune) aspects in the natal chart - so this is a soul that incarnated with the intention of being a 'phoenix rising from the ashes' in the current lifetime.
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posted January 30, 2020 05:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
[QUOTE]And whom amongst us has the Aries-Libra nodal placements to help him with that missed-step?

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Dear Graham, this is a wonderfully researched and thought out response that made me tear up a bit - I love it that this forum brings together people like yourself who genuinely enjoy trying to help and understand others. I always ask and listen to close ones, but the insight, thought and knowledge of someone who has little context is so touching. Thank you.

Not only do I understand your point - I also appreciate your thoroughness in conveying these points. It is completely apparent what this person is meant to get out of our dynamic.I completely understand what he sees in me. It is an opportunity to solve issues he does not even know he has - to integrate his innate values with his outer expressions, etc. I also obviously have issues with attaching myself with troubled individuals who have causes I find worthy. I think it's the 10th-11th house emphasis in my chart. It's like a benevolent parental figure comes out of me when I see someone remarkably talented who could use my help. But I do not enjoy being this figure! It has tired me in the recent past. At least, my past few significant relationships taught me that the more I deny my emotional needs, the worse this 'overworking' gets (also my natal 5th house Gemini moon, I think) Here I have someone who illustrates no consistent ability to really nurture others other than their soul path which shows they would best do it. I am coming out of a very exhaustive and involved dynamic where I was again the nurturer. I do not mean to sound glib or selfish, but what is in this relationship for me? If I walk blindly into whatever this pull is, am I definitely going to be an illuminating torch to their ambition? Is this person ever capable of being a true partner to me, whether emotionally and otherwise?

posted January 31, 2020 07:42 AM            

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what is in this relationship for me?

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"In past incarnations there was great sacrifice to others which was not fully appreciated. Now the soul reincarnates with traces of resentment at not reaping the rewards of its efforts. This brings out the contrariness of the Libra South Node and actually prevents the individual from finding her real Self! The Aries North Node can come out only when the South Node is brought to the highest possible karmic level. Thus, this individual will achieve her greatest potential after she learns to serve willingly, without desiring any rewards beyond her own self-growth." (From Karmic Astrology, by Martin Schulman.)

Note how "serving willingly, without desiring any rewards" = walking-the-walk of "mother love".

posted January 31, 2020 11:35 AM            

Do you think the inconjunction means my 10/11th house self expression will always be difficult, divorced from the heart, and a balancing act that feels like an upset stomach? (I really don't like incojuncts and this is one analogy I read that perfectly sums its experience for me)

To be quite honest, I really wish I did not have traces of romantic feelings for this person. I feel like incorporating all this into a productive journey would be easier then.

posted February 01, 2020 03:42 AM            

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Do you think the inconjunction means my 10/11th house self expression will always be difficult, divorced from the heart, and a balancing act that feels like an upset stomach? (I really don't like incojuncts and this is one analogy I read that perfectly sums its experience for me)

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That (already developed) ability to express yourself well is now contributing positively (via the Chiron sextile) to the achieving of your NN objective. And the qcxs to the Mercury/Venus conjunction are "thinking aspects" - bringing experiences that enable you to express yourself (Gemini) assertively (Aries) and passionately (Scorpio) in groups (11th) and the outside world/career (10th).

posted February 01, 2020 04:01 AM            

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To be quite honest, I really wish I did not have traces of romantic feelings for this person. I feel like incorporating all this into a productive journey would be easier then.

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posted February 03, 2020 03:11 PM            

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Originally posted by LunaIscariot:
Hey hun, I’m happy by give my take tomorrow when I wake up.
Are both TOB accurate? From B.C? A guess, or rough/vague estimate?
And I’m assuming you’re the inside female?

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Hi Luna, are you still up to provide a reading on it? I would so appreciate it.

posted February 04, 2020 02:03 AM            

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Originally posted by HieronymusTush:
Hi Luna, are you still up to provide a reading on it? I would so appreciate it.

Graham, thank you so much for your insight and excerpts from your sources. The way you isolated the tension in my natal really put things in perspective. I've been thinking about it for days.

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posted February 04, 2020 05:31 PM            

This dynamic has found me in a rather thoughtful, somber and quite obsessive mood. I am %10000 certain they have no idea I feel this way - pretty sure they even think otherwise, but I am simultaneously dying to know what is going to happen, and looking forward to feeling not so interested.

I feel like curling into something & never talking to them again. Another thing I'm confused by is that in theory, according to my knowledge of the synastry, shouldn't they be more interested than I am? I can sense they are strangely extremely attuned to my thoughts and senses, but I'm a little embarrassed to say I'm secretly very childishly invested and I'm not sure they could get like this. Is it because of the Pluto contact?

I'm not used to feeling this out of control, and I don't like it!

posted February 11, 2020 10:35 PM            

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Originally posted by HieronymusTush:
Hi Luna, are you still up to provide a reading on it? I would so appreciate it.

Graham, thank you so much for your insight and excerpts from your sources. The way you isolated the tension in my natal really put things in perspective. I've been thinking about it for days.

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posted February 12, 2020 02:25 AM            

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Originally posted by LunaIscariot:
Yes forsure. If I know the time’s are both 100 percent correct? If not, I’ll discard the houses

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@Luna, yes, they are super super correct! Looking forward to hearing what you think.

posted February 13, 2020 05:21 AM            

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Originally posted by todd:
hi HieronymusTush

could you add named asteroids or just give the position of them?
todd

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posted February 13, 2020 08:30 PM            

moon opposed to Saturn looks like a block . intimate emotional expression.moon conjunct to Sedna gives you a open and truthful approach but with Saturn conjunct o mercury ,he is much more closed off.

Jupiter sextile to pluto is a ambitious aspect so I would think that he would not let interpersonal hesitation threaten the economical bottom line.

the node/Uranus conjunction is square to lilith. this a bit of a wild card as it is not clear whether he will integrate this creativity if he is not the source. this aspect and the Saturn/moon is not really favorable because thy show opposite disposition and a tendency to argue.
the sun opposed to pholous can show hidden ideas and feelings.

the Jupiter/Saturn midpoint is opposed chiron which usually bodes different views an contention over which is superior. but optimistically ,this could give good analytical understanding of your objectives.

posted February 14, 2020 05:28 AM            

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Originally posted by todd:

this is not an emotional aspect and he seems to be bound by work and other cultural responsibilities.

todd

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I would like to provide feedback for todd and everyone who kindly took the time to provide insights for me about this dynamic. Guys, this has been one of the strangest and most truthful astrological experiences I have ever gone through. Concurrently to whatever was being read here, it was like a slow alignment of everything I was seeing and feeling with what primarily todd read, and in the last week I had an extraordinarily serendipitous number of encounters where people found the opportunity to tell me their private previous experiences with this person. And boy, were my instincts and your readings correct, and have they materialized in such weird ways with other people who were not adequately equipped/emotionally more prone to being caught up/or at a weirder time in their lives so they didn't closely look into the signs he was giving off.

Some of these experiences I heard were from separate people who both had romantic and friendly encounters with this person, and it's like they were reading from a script. It was actually a little bit scary how similar the way he approached three people (all artistic and culturally active) with intense attention and ardour, which turned into a strange sort of coldness, and then a seemingly kindred desire to create and do business together, which ended up with two previous partners feeling very used, and one friend thinking "wow - this person is not interested in me or a friendship at all, they just want to get something out of me" This is exactly what I felt and wrote above. They all said he was quite smart, talented but he had a manipulative streak which, strangely enough, coupled with his emotional instability resulted in a quite a bit of failure, not the other way around. It's like he cannot really manage to be consistent enough to even take advantage of certain dynamics and situations. All people involved except for one were women. (Stoika!!!)

Isn't it astounding that I sensed this within the first three days and todd, Stoika, Graham and everyone else concurrently read very similar and parallel issues in the charts? Wow!

Definitely not even an ounce of romantic interest on my part anymore, no intention to form a friendship either - will wait until Spring to find out the results of our funding application, which if is successful, I will put every effort into socially psychologically and professionally buffer myself from their energy.

posted February 14, 2020 05:50 PM            

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Originally posted by HieronymusTush:
I would like to provide feedback for todd and everyone who kindly took the time to provide insights for me about this dynamic. Guys, this has been one of the strangest and most truthful astrological experiences I have ever gone through. Concurrently to whatever was being read here, it was like a slow alignment of everything I was seeing and feeling with what primarily todd read, and in the last week I had an extraordinarily serendipitous number of encounters where people found the opportunity to tell me their private previous experiences with this person. And boy, were my instincts and your readings correct, and have they materialized in such weird ways with other people who were not adequately equipped/emotionally more prone to being caught up/or at a weirder time in their lives so they didn't closely look into the signs he was giving off.

Some of these experiences I heard were from separate people who both had romantic and friendly encounters with this person, and it's like they were reading from a script. It was actually a little bit scary how similar the way he approached three people (all artistic and culturally active) with intense attention and ardour, which turned into a strange sort of coldness, and then a seemingly kindred desire to create and do business together, which ended up with two previous partners feeling very used, and one friend thinking "wow - this person is not interested in me or a friendship at all, they just want to get something out of me" This is exactly what I felt and wrote above. They all said he was quite smart, talented but he had a manipulative streak which, strangely enough, coupled with his emotional instability resulted in a quite a bit of failure, not the other way around. It's like he cannot really manage to be consistent enough to even take advantage of certain dynamics and situations. All people involved except for one were women. (Stoika!!!)

Isn't it astounding that I sensed this within the first three days and todd, Stoika, Graham and everyone else concurrently read very similar and parallel issues in the charts? Wow!

Definitely not even an ounce of romantic interest on my part anymore, no intention to form a friendship either - will wait until Spring to find out the results of our funding application, which if is successful, I will put every effort into socially psychologically and professionally buffer myself from their energy.

Wowowow! The skies are proven right once again. Wow. Todd, Stoika, I wonder how this feedback makes you feel?

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