posted January 26, 2020 08:08 PM            

As most here will remember, there's done extensive research into Venus progressions and it is clear now that during the start of a relationship we often - if not always - find a Sun-Venus or Venus-Venus or Venus-Mars trine, conjunction or opposition. The Square between those pairs of planets is famous for driving people apart.
Once those goodies are gone (left the window of effectiveness in the graphs) and no other goodies replacing them we expect the end of a relationship.

In the program linked here we also find an option to calculate the progressed declinations. No research done with those but it might be significant so check it out as well. Breaking new ground.

Ofcourse not only the "start of" a relationship is interesting but also the realm of friendship or simply "being smitten with...?" as with the latter I found those prog goodies (often exact) on this board countless times without exception.

posted January 27, 2020 03:50 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:

Last year, when we reconnected, our progressed composite was interesting.

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posted January 27, 2020 05:12 PM            

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Can you give some details about “interesting composite”? Did it get some new NN or Mats aspects when reconnection happened?

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posted January 27, 2020 06:05 PM            

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What a great tool!

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It is yes! I hope everyone will keep adding their findings here...

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I just got married and we have the infamous sun/Venus trine applying 2 degrees. I thought commitment started when it was exact?

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Wow married, congrats. The window of effectiveness is seen in the graphs and this covers the entire space under the horizontal green line which starts at about 2 deg applying and ends at the same deg separating. Commitment can start any time within that field. You both also met in that trine timeframe?

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It will be interesting to see the power of declinations though. Really interesting. We have one replacing the trine when it goes out of orb. I think it’s the contraparallel.

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Yes I am also very curious about those. What I heard until now (by far not enough so it needs time) both (contra-)+ parallel might be pretty potent as well ..

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Interestingly with my ex, we broke up when we came up to a sun/Venus conjunction!

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posted January 27, 2020 07:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Librapurr:
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Last year, when we reconnected, our progressed composite was interesting.

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The progressed composite Sun, was conjunct the SN, just past it actually. Since the Sun and Venus are conjunct within a few degrees, I'm surprised that nothing happened when the Venus had progressed to the SN.

Composite Mars was also conjunct my natal Moon/Venus/SN, and square my own Mars. I don't like that in typical synastry, at all, but it was past my Moon. Composite Mercury was also conjunct his Mars/Saturn, and square the progressed C Jupiter exactly, which might be what spurred him on to contact me.

posted January 27, 2020 07:13 PM            

We actually met when we had a sun/Venus trine DW. Then 10 years later we reconnected. This time romantically when another sun/Venus trine was 4/5 degrees applying. And now married BUT it won’t be exact for another couple of years I think. We do have some instability with our RS so I wonder if it will become more stable at that point.

What do you think about the Venus/mars trines/conjunctions/opp/declinations?
We have a mars/Venus contra parallels starting in 2025 and continuing until 2053! By then we’ll be well into old age lol and possibly deceased!

Can you share the declinations examples you know of? Very curious.

Also what about the 7th ruler being activated by the others sun/Venus?

posted January 27, 2020 07:52 PM            

For example 2019 would have been the best time for these two to meet even though the conjunction is closer in 2022.

posted January 27, 2020 08:57 PM            

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We actually met when we had a sun/Venus trine DW. Then 10 years later we reconnected. This time romantically when another sun/Venus trine was 4/5 degrees applying. And now married BUT it won’t be exact for another couple of years I think. We do have some instability with our RS so I wonder if it will become more stable at that point.

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So there was a true start (so to speak) 10 years later. Was your progressed Moon conjunct his natal Asc or natal Sun? Or maybe his' to your natal Sun or Asc? Or did this happen when you married?

Was it only the Sun/Venus trine applying by 4-5 deg, so nothing else within the window of effectiveness at those starting blocks?

What is RS? aagh.. RelationShip!

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What do you think about the Venus/mars trines/conjunctions/opp/declinations?
We have a mars/Venus contra parallels starting in 2025 and continuing until 2053! By then we’ll be well into old age lol and possibly deceased!

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Venus-Mars is more sexual. In the big Westran research those VM longitude (trine-conj-opp) aspects became significant only AFTER removing all the Sun-Venus aspects. So SV is def the most potent overall in there. But his research ofcourse only included the serious relationships. VM is less inclined to marry and so to just keep it with the physicality me thinks.

Yes, that is a rare one, almost 30 years! Keep us updated here

The declinations are really an unexplored area for me as well. But knowing someone - not the least - who swears by it and picking up some convincing stories here and there... I gotta go with it I think.

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And f there’s a sun/Venus square happening at the same time as a sun/Venus trine etc which would override?

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That's the big question and would be interesting to follow..

posted January 27, 2020 09:16 PM            

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When the aspect meets with the window of effectiveness is that when the connection is the strongest?

For example 2019 would have been the best time for these two to meet even though the conjunction is closer in 2022.

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There is no best time. Although yeah we might think that it's better to meet earlier on in the window to enjoy the most time together. But Meghan and Harry got together during a separating Sun-Venus conjunction but still in the window of effectiveness.

posted January 27, 2020 09:37 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoInScorpio:
omg, this is really interesting!!

Person i'm dating right now: pVe pMA contra-paralell exact in month of our first date. A bunch of pVe and pMa things with pVe quincunxes untill 2023. But no Sun-Venus untill 2029.

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posted January 27, 2020 09:52 PM            

My first relationship

Time window between 2001-2008:
a lot of parallels sun-venus, venus-mars and venus-venus.

In longitude pMar, pVen and nMar conjuctions between 1999 and 2005.

posted January 27, 2020 09:57 PM            

My own progressed Venus will square my Ceres/Chiron/Sun soon. It's within two/three degrees.

When my progressed Sun was conjunct my own Moon/Venus/SN, nothing happened for me. My sister got married.

posted January 27, 2020 10:52 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
The progressed composite Sun, was conjunct the SN, just past it actually. Since the Sun and Venus are conjunct within a few degrees, I'm surprised that nothing happened when the Venus had progressed to the SN.

Composite Mars was also conjunct my natal Moon/Venus/SN, and square my own Mars. I don't like that in typical synastry, at all, but it was past my Moon. Composite Mercury was also conjunct his Mars/Saturn, and square the progressed C Jupiter exactly, which might be what spurred him on to contact me.

It was interesting to me, because when we first met, his progressed Sun was conjunct the same small stellium I have in Gemini - now the composite Mars is there. I wonder if we will cut contact again, after Mars moves on. When we stopped speaking before, the progressed Sun and Venus were exiting that same stellium. The progressed composites all look a lot nicer than the starting one, which is loaded with Venus/Mercury/Sun/Mars opposed Uranus, all from the 8th house.

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posted January 27, 2020 11:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Librapurr:
Thank you. From my experience, mars contacts are important in progression. There’re just feelings with no actions without them.

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posted January 28, 2020 11:18 AM            

Was it only the Sun/Venus trine applying by 4-5 deg, so nothing else within the window of effectiveness at those starting blocks?”

posted January 28, 2020 08:35 PM            

pMoon is a fast one so I allow much wider orbs then.

posted January 28, 2020 11:44 PM            

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Originally posted by mir:
Ok Em, there's some balance there I see.
pMoon conj nSun is what we VERY often see during the start of a relationship OR during marriage. But it might also mean the end of a relationship.
So you soon get a repetition with his pMoon to your nSun and yours to his nSun. Keep me updated if something significant happens at that time.

pMoon is a fast one so I allow much wider orbs then.

I didn't find a hit to the other's natal descendant telling nor do I use the progressed Asc as in reality the prog angles should move an entire cycle in a year. The true prog angles are called "quotidian angles".

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I’ll let you know what happens for sure! Hopefully not the end because it happens before the peak of our trine. Which would be a stronger commitment ?

posted January 29, 2020 10:41 PM            

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Originally posted by mir:
Ok Em, there's some balance there I see.
pMoon conj nSun is what we VERY often see during the start of a relationship OR during marriage. But it might also mean the end of a relationship..

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I can confirm this....my progressed moon conjunct his natal sun when we broke up...an exact conjunction!

posted January 30, 2020 09:14 AM            

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Which would be a stronger commitment ?

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We would expect the pMoon-nSun conjunction to generate an exit only A) when a progressed square takes it over OR b) there's simply nothing left, means: all the aspects that both of you kept together have faded without even a square to dream on about each other.

posted January 30, 2020 09:16 AM            

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Originally posted by starstruck1:
I can confirm this....my progressed moon conjunct his natal sun when we broke up...an exact conjunction!

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