posted February 07, 2020 07:41 PM            

I've been trying to understand the events that have been transpiring between us, and why we keep coming back into each others lives after such long breaks, and know matter what happens, or how much pain we cause each other, we continue on as if everything is all hunkeydorey and forgiven. At first, I thought I was going crazy, thinking surely this is some sort of crazy dream, but then I started reading and investigating threads that have been popping up lately about Twin Flame Astrology, and it fits our experiences together to a near perfect "T" It's uncanny just how accurate other's experiences with their potential Twin Flame fit perfectly with us, and a lot of what you listed in your thread Vansio in "Soul Unions" matched our experiences very well, but I want to learn more about what to look for in our Composite and Davison Charts first before I can difinitivley say for sure she really is my Twin-Flame instead of a cleverly disguised Soul-Mate. I know our Synastry reflects definite indicators that we're Twin Flames, but not sure about the other charts.

Can someone explain how the "Fibonacci Sequence" fits into Twin Flames? Do all the numbers in each person's Birthday have to match? I was born on the 14th of July, she was born on the 5th of September, so the only common number we have in the sequence is "5".

posted February 09, 2020 12:15 AM            

Composite Chart and Grid Table:

Davison Chart and Grid Table:

I'll add the charts with Asteroids at a later date if someone can recommend the most probable ones that indicate Twin Flames and/or highly connected/evolved Soul Mates.

posted February 10, 2020 12:53 AM            

Anybody have Juno/Venus in the same sign with someone and still experience the TF indicators?

posted February 21, 2020 07:29 PM            

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Originally posted by vansio:
Hey Cardinal, everyone has their own opinion of what this could entail... I think that there is no generic twin flame synastry, composite, davison aspect because each sentient being's NATAL chart has a particular configuration of its own, like a fingerprint, better yet a fractal to develop with gravity and entanglement. Tread carefully with cookbook astrology; life is not binary---there is no one size fits all.

I agree with what S said above about expecting (luminaries or angle rulers) conjunctions to angles (within three degrees), soulmates/twin flames. However, this raises the very crucial question as well whether you have exact, accurate birth times to the minute between these two people to know such degrees to establish such an inquiry

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posted February 22, 2020 09:59 PM            

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Originally posted by CardinalT-Square:
Does Juno and Venus have anything to do with TF? Her Juno is in Virgo, but not conjunct my Venus, however, her Chiron is conjunct my Venus and is 0°12" Virgo.

Anybody have Juno/Venus in the same sign with someone and still experience the TF indicators?

I'm not a big believer on the subject of Asteroids, but if you guys could add your experiences with these, you just might make a believer out of me😉

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My husband's Juno is the same sign as my Venus.. Wide conjunction.

posted February 23, 2020 06:28 AM            

The most significant aspect of the relation - apart from the 'positive' - usually is the triggering of ALL karmic/trauma/shadow work left for the beings to work through. Due to this I expect certain challenging aspects of each natal to be activated through the synastry so that the work-to-be-done is highlighted.

All spiritual work to be done is unique to the individuals however, which is why there are no obvious astrological markers.

Personally I am of the view that astrological investigation into the matter usually is of a dis-service to the process unless it is undertaken after the fact of the TF-relatin is firmly confirmed outside of the astrological context. If not one usually seeks a confirmation/definition from an abstract model which is by its nature poor at describing the actual territory, and the bugs that this analysis instills on the mind of the perceiver often hampers the vital experience of the relationship-in-development in question. Very few astrologers are competent enough to discern these things - close to no hobby-astrologers are.

If anyone wants to understand some ideas of possible markers, there are past threads here discussing it well in terms of asteroids and such.

posted February 23, 2020 09:36 PM            

I honestly didn't notice him at all until few days later I think I need to introduce myself to the new staff member at the time which was him. Nothing special in my part because he wasn't my guy type as he looked very shy and insecure type, the first look I saw.

According to his confession, the first time he was in the room, he noticed me and got attracted, but too shy to start the introduction. He felt something like he already knew me a long time ago when we first introduced each other.

I remember the way he looked at me when we shook hands like he wanted to eat me alive, I thought how creepy was that.

Any psychic phenomena between the two of you? Do you guys feel like you can read each other like a book, or know what the other is going to say/do before they actually respond/react?

Since I have natural ability to read people once our eyes get locked, I can definitely read him but since I try to avoid being too judgemental or making some assumption, I do some observation first although at the end the intuition is always right. I always get a bad dream if he tries to hide something behind my back like cheating, it looks like a message through dreams.

In his part: he once claimed to me that he "knew" me when we were in an intense part of our relationship. I think what he means, he knows how to trigger my buttons, or he is just that evil . He doesn't want to explain what he knows about me though.

But sometimes I think he can sense from a far if I'm not at home or if I go hanging out with my friends without telling him. When it happens, I always get a sudden phone call from him or a message asking where am I. (No, he doesn't use any technology to track me down and I also don't think he follows me around)

How long have you guys known each other?

This year: 7 years.

Was their any familiarity or deep-down feelings like you've known this person before or feel like events have already occurred, perhaps in a past life?

He is the one who get that feeling like he knows me years before and in the beginning of the relationship he said it feels like it has already happened for years. I don't really feel that way. When I heard it, I thought he was really really a creepy guy.

For both of us, we agree that we feel comfortable in each other company. It feels a natural comfort, despite square sign of our Moon sign. He is almost always naked with me or around the house, like, it tells how comfy he is with me.

We really are the opposite thou, it's quite contrast yet similar.

posted February 23, 2020 11:43 PM            

Overall though, this is more of an unhealthy obsessive relationship more so than Twin Flames, but that's just my opinion.

Nomad-Monad, I get what your saying, that it's impossible for us imperfect beings to comprehend events in this imperfect Multiverse, and that none of us will ever truly understand nature, or why life is the way it is, but I am a firm believer in our own free-will to live a predestined path that we design for ourselves well before we're born into each incarnation, and the people we choose to cross paths with, including TFs, Soul-Mates, and anyone else we want to learn from, all to help us grow and evolve, and vise-versa. It would be great if you could link other threads that discuss such ideas. I would like to learn more of why me and this woman have chosen to be bonded together for the remainder of this lifetime through our social circle of friends and family. We'll never be truly separated, and since the day I met her, all the pain we've caused each other, all the excitement we experience together when we see each other, the brief moments of joy just being around each other, all feels like just a continuation from past-lifes, and the way we can "Just Get" each other is uncanny, we don't even have to talk to each other, we're perfectly fine just being around each other and recognizing expressions and actions between each other good or bad and we adjust ourselves and give each other the space and freedom we desire, we don't push each other when we don't feel like doing something in the moment, unlike other pairs in the world who keep constantly pushing and nagging each other until they give-in. I'd like to understand more of why we have such connections, (even despite all the squares, oppositions, and Uranus connections we have in all three charts) while other people suffer so much. We've had our falling-outs and dissapointments as well, we're not immune to any of life's challenges, (that wouldn't be any fun now would it?😉 but it's far less likely between us than those who chose to go down that path. Also do you know of any websites, links or books on "Syncrhonocities"? I've experienced a lot of, " The Right place, at The Right time" moments with this woman as well.

posted February 24, 2020 04:46 AM            

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Originally posted by CardinalT-Square:
Why not make a separate thread Hearttreasure with your Synastry, Composite, and Davisons with the corresponding aspect tables as well. Have you had both your Natals rectified yet? You can't just rely on your Time of Birth's, you need to get as close as possible to both your Incarnation times, meaning the point when both your souls and bodies each became one. I can try to help you if you need it, you just have to give me dates and approximate times to major events in both your lives (as close to the exact time as possible). Your Wedding would be a great start. Offspring, accidents, deaths, etc... would help narrow things down further. Let me know if you really want to know all of this and I'll send you my email so we can discuss this further.

Overall though, this is more of an unhealthy obsessive relationship more so than Twin Flames, but that's just my opinion.

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I have made a thread about the synastry, etc, some years ago here.

I'm not sure calling this an obsessive relationship too, I think it's either he saw me as a trophy or he has some co-dependency issues. He has Moon in Capricorn and Venus in Gemini.

OR, this is the worst part I can think of, he has completely lost himself and copies his long time ex's (who has Scorpio stellium conjunct Pluto) attitude/behavior in the relationship. He has Neptune hard aspect to the moon and mercury/Mars. And also I found his family has Scorpio theme in unhealthy way. It's weird him being a Gemini sun is not like Gemini sun at all. Sometimes I think I am being a teacher to him (although I don't want to think that way), and it's a tiresome as I consider he isn't a child anymore but an adult. Unfortunately I see his Mother create the co-dependency issue from the start, it's unhealthy and damaging to his adulthood, sometimes I see his paranoia Mother in his eyes, like, I'm dealing with his mother than himself. It's crazy, because I came from a Mother who teaches independence, that's why I am highly independent daughter and he is the completely opposite.

posted February 24, 2020 12:21 PM            

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Originally posted by vansio:
Hey Cardinal, everyone has their own opinion of what this could entail... I think that there is no generic twin flame synastry, composite, davison aspect because each sentient being's NATAL chart has a particular configuration of its own, like a fingerprint, better yet a fractal to develop with gravity and entanglement. Tread carefully with cookbook astrology; life is not binary---there is no one size fits all.

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+1

posted February 24, 2020 12:39 PM            

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Originally posted by nomad-monad:
TF's know when they meet, and that is all one needs to know - the energy of the relation will settle the awareness by itself. Far too many confuse their karmic or soulmate relations with TF-relations due to the popularity of the concept.

The most significant aspect of the relation - apart from the 'positive' - usually is the triggering of ALL karmic/trauma/shadow work left for the beings to work through. Due to this I expect certain challenging aspects of each natal to be activated through the synastry so that the work-to-be-done is highlighted.

All spiritual work to be done is unique to the individuals however, which is why there are no obvious astrological markers.

Personally I am of the view that astrological investigation into the matter usually is of a dis-service to the process unless it is undertaken after the fact of the TF-relatin is firmly confirmed outside of the astrological context. If not one usually seeks a confirmation/definition from an abstract model which is by its nature poor at describing the actual territory, and the bugs that this analysis instills on the mind of the perceiver often hampers the vital experience of the relationship-in-development in question. Very few astrologers are competent enough to discern these things - close to no hobby-astrologers are.

If anyone wants to understand some ideas of possible markers, there are past threads here discussing it well in terms of asteroids and such.

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Mostly +1

Would add the only common pattern that I have noticed is a very strong and holistic psychic connection. This makes sense, as they are originally of and from the same larger Spirit self. At one point there was no they and them, just only the one being. But now that there is a they and them, there is a powerful bond and connection, which is most often apparent psychically.

Good point behind the triggering of karmic/trauma/shadow work. I do think this is pretty common also. Also good point about many people confusing karmic and Soulmate type connections with Twin Souls. These of course can be intense as well. Sometimes we are very strongly attracted to the former (karmic) types.

I mean, who would work on difficult karmic issues with others, IF there wasn't strong attraction also present? Our Spirit level of self conspires to create or boost this attraction so that we DO get involved with individuals that unconsciously/subconsciously we know a connection will likely lead to emotional pain, disappointment, etc.

Our Spirit level of self cares about one thing and one thing above all else--our spiritual growth/remembrance process. Everything else is at the least secondary to that. This means it will put us, the Soul and the personality, through all means of Fire and friction, if that is what it feels will lead to it's/our eventual liberation.

This is a hard truth to accept, but better to be accepted, because as much as we shout "freewill!" and "the right to rebel!", well, we have to keep in mind that we are extensions of our Spirit self, who created us for express purpose. We are part of our Spirit self, but guess who primarily holds the reigns?

Yeah, less the little, much more unconscious aspect/level of this self, and much more the Spirit level. But the more conscious we become of our Spirit level and the more we work in harmony with same, rather than bucking, kicking and screaming, etc, the more we help to smooth out and speed up this all important process of consciousness growth/remembrance towards the ultimate---fully conscious Source and Oneness with the Whole union.

The dream I had many years back wherein I was outside meditating while looking at the Sun, and as I went deeper within, I paradoxically started to merge with the Sun and expand exponentially--well this was symbolic of becoming more conscious of and working in greater harmony with my own Spirit level of self. The Sun is a good symbol for this level.

When a person really starts this process, golden light will start to show up more and more in their auric field. Symbolic of and in resonation with the awakening Initiate.

posted February 25, 2020 09:11 AM            

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Originally posted by CardinalT-Square:
What's "Shadow work"?

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Your own “shadow” is a term in psychology for anything subtle, the part of your own personality you disown (“that’s not me”), split yourself from, and in turn codependently project on others as if it is them (vs. you). attachments are usually based on this unconscious dynamic started by oneself, because we are fundamentally attached to our shadow---we want to be whole. People have a tendency of projecting even the best parts of themselves on others, and want to meet or be with Them afterwards. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_(psychology)

I’ve noticed, aside from the word-function 'You', it’s most often linguistically and unconsciously hidden also in the term ‘they’ or ‘them’ used as a backdrop against ones sense of Selfhood. you don’t have to literally catch yourself saying ‘They [do this, or have that]' out loud to believe or insist there is a they out-there working against You. (or more exclusively, your You if we want to get really under the surface about this complex, more later)

hence, why and how deep, genuine ‘mirroring’ in Real relationships tend to produce the most profound and challenging soul-work, are actually speaking to each's whole Self. when two people are connected by their souls and not from ego-invention, they can get somewhere in progress to reclaim these outcasted parts of them-selves, transactionally floating all around them to their gross awareness—revealed to a degree that neither party is allowed to hide by. the story we tell ourselves flattens, when they become our. in turn we know we are hurting our-self by our actions-existence seen for what it is. the revelations are clearer because you love (the part of you that is conscious) this other so much, admittedly beyond their surface-object, not their required image-pronoun but their Being, and yet they (the ‘they’ we once dependent on for livelihood and creativity possessed by the shadow-affect) are triggering us from the place we usually avoid in ourselves and define others by. can short circuit our logic on how to ‘survive’ and we evolve from seeing what we are made of in every instance and sense -- this crisis is the revolution.

I believe the IC (like the Moon) is the ‘seat’ of the soul and where we want to go. And the DC, our ‘shadow’, our ‘projections’ we cause. then offer the world (our MC). This is also why I mostly believe the luminaries (or angle rulers) on angles in synastry drive this intention or potential.

most people might convince themself they’re doing the work required to meet their maker, their soul, when they make ‘rules’ (based in rejection) or allowances issued about how they will relate to ‘stuff’ in their environment (family dynamics, manicured narratives, belief-systems). that’s not what this shadow-work entails. It’s total accountability, to an extent that the ego must and will take a backseat, if not outright killed. this is how the old saying goes, “if you see the Buddha, kill him”

the shadow is as ‘alive’ as you humanly are. only Light itself has no shadow, form-less

On a side note, I 💙 Martin Buber, author of the book “I and Thou”. I recommend it to all
http://www.burmalibrary.org/docs21/Buber-c1923-I_And_Thou-ocr-tu.pdf

“To man the world is twofold, in accordance with his twofold attitude.
The attitude of man is twofold, in accordance with the twofold nature of the primary words which he speaks.
The primary words are not isolated words, but combined words.
The one primary word is the combination I-Thou.
The other primary word is the combination I-It; wherein, without a change in the primary word, one of the words He and She can replace It.
Hence the I of man is also twofold.
For the I of the primary word I-Thou is a different I from that of the primary word I-It.
Primary words do not signify things, but they intimate relations.
Primary words do not describe something that might exist independently of them, but being spoken they bring about existence.
Primary words are spoken from the being.
If Thou is said, the I of the combination I-Thou is said along with it.
If It is said, the I of the combination I-It is said along with it.
The primary word I-Thou can only be spoken with the whole being.
The primary word I-It can never be spoken with the whole being.”