posted December 01, 2020 03:40 PM            

help me understand please
am overwhelmed to explain in full - ongoing for almost six yrs
haven’t seen him in 3.5 yrs, though we have long phone call once in a while
he’s now booked a flight to visit me, I’ve since said no
... he said he’ll come anyway, that it’s up to me to meet him for a coffee

interacting was already wrecking me, so I had to forcibly say Bye, but I don’t know whether or what I am reacting so strongly to. 😰
Pluto-Moon-NN composite square is no joke

posted December 02, 2020 02:50 AM            

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Previously: hey Todd, he booked tickets for Jan 20 - Jan 26
on this week tr. Pluto exact-conjunct his Venus and I’ll have my nodal reversal

I don’t know yet that I’ll meet him to tell you a time for the multi comp. can’t help that I probably will though feel like I shouldn’t

he initially didn’t tell me the date he was landing, like some sort of surprise. but finessed, figured it out, by using the reference number when I asked to show me proof of purchase..

the Venus-NN Vesta-Venus synastry causes me kundalini activity even remotely, it gets way too much. we have admitted years later (2018) that each other is the best experience ever had and still “feel” it, even though we’ve technically only had three weeks time together once six years ago. disclosed in 12th

this guy is the German man I met a halfyear before what eventually in a fated turn of events led to my other longterm German ex down the line. I have asteroid Alemania (Germany) conjunct my Venus

he says he “wishes to bury the nostalgia and is long due to find this out, for better or worse”

my name asteroid natally conjuncts his Moon at 26AQUA07
his name asteroid natally opposes my Moon at 28CAN56
in composite Vanessa is 17CAP24 and Max 29ARIE45

He asks for coffee, either he’s being coy, if so hypothetically we meet the following day after his arrival. Cant include the vertex because the official appointment is unknown

There’s a lot I don’t appreciate about him, marked by suspicion.
consider this event has come to light during the eclipses, I’m not sure what to make of its overall purpose or what I mean to him because he comes on bold than cold, seems selfish. he’s not consciously-educated on the truth of the matter (spirituality), so there’s a risk to engage, potentially dangerous to my lifeform if awareness isn’t practiced... not sure yet how to handle this opportunity or not

(wow, I just now recalled a memory from my childhood.)

When I was about fifteen or sixteen, I was playing in a tennis tournament. The opposing team, in their men’s sect, had a lead player named “M…”. I never saw his face or met him, but after hearing his name that day, I dwelled on it for weeks.

Which astro-figure cycles in 12-13 year span?

posted December 02, 2020 09:35 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
^^ Saturn and Jupiter are the only ones that I can think of. Maybe check progressions? There was a thread here, about progressed synastry.

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posted December 03, 2020 03:15 AM            

I'm currently trying to remove myself from this situation, but it's not easy for me. Said bye each day now, get wrangled back in, because he's settled in the time is now. But I also can't exactly look away.

I resigned with, "you're way too cool for me".
Had to put my mirrored point across like that to him, as a way to guard myself against sparring. he responded this morning, "don't hang up on me".
I despise chess games like this, generated by the glamour of secrecy. 🤢 he doesn’t know-how, or try to, communicate fully!

I feel, underneath it all, personally attacked by his nonchalance, because it's me he's asking attention from after all, singling out. Meanwhile, his energy is holding onto me so tightly, almost to the point where I'm flushed in the face... but, his actual interaction is postured cool and controlled, has my notification muted (I don’t mind this so much, let’s me delete stuff I’ve written in the meantime), then checks his messages throughout the day. Feel though that he desires me to provide more-than, the substance. who buys plane tickets to visit a woman he doesn't call upon the phone? red flags everywhere.

The only thing I appreciate between us is for whatever reason I feel obligated to be exceptionally self-conscious---translates to consideration when speaking, making sure not to be overly critical, even though vengeance wants to jump out of me. I keep my sharp tongue under wraps. As Pluto, no, I don’t want to hurt him; my sun/saturn is, after all, conjunct his Moon. However, I’m not impressed by what is fundamentally taxing. Because we’re both Pisces, there is a degree of humor understood when in conflict. Oy vey...

posted December 03, 2020 03:44 AM              

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(wow, I just now recalled a memory from my childhood.)

When I was about fifteen or sixteen, I was playing in tennis tournament. The opposing team, in their men’s sect, had a lead player named XXX. I never saw his face or met him, but after hearing his name that day, I dwelled on it for weeks.

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6th March 2008 ... Huber Age Point square Natal Pluto.
3rd Nov 2008 ... AP conjunct low-point of 3rd house.
3rd July 2009 ... AP aspecting Natal Moon.
7th August 2009 ... AP conjunct 0Virgo00.
22nd August 2009 ... AP opposite Natal Sun.

3rd Nov 2020 ... AP conjunct low-point of 5th house.
15th Feb 2021 ... AP conjunct Natal Pluto.

posted December 03, 2020 04:20 AM            

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Synastry aspects ... your natal Pluto to his natal chart?

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under 3 degree orbs:

My Pluto: squares his Moon, sextiles his Venus, trines his Jupiter

His Pluto: inconjunct my Venus, trines my Mars, quintiles Neptune/Uranus, trines ASC/MC

posted December 03, 2020 06:18 AM            

excuse "the dramatics" if that's how it reads. i host Pluto in my fifth house, friends. I'll edit to sound coolheaded eventually...

posted December 03, 2020 09:17 AM              

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Originally posted by vansio:
hi graham

under 3 degree orbs:

My Pluto: squares his Moon, sextiles his Venus, trines his Jupiter

His Pluto: inconjunct my Venus, trines my Mars, quintiles Neptune/Uranus, trines ASC/MC

btw, graham, your quote of mine has a personal name in it, mind editing it down to the initial?

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His Mars is in Placidus 4th house. ... So, is the synastry comparison using Koch houses?

posted December 03, 2020 09:40 AM              

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Originally posted by vansio:
Yes. Although in my progressed placidius chart, progressed Pluto is in the 5th, I relate to it being there at birth as well. So each synastry chart is cast in Koch

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posted December 03, 2020 10:00 AM            

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your Pluto is using him to activate your natal Uranus-Neptune conjunction.

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posted December 03, 2020 10:23 AM              

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Originally posted by vansio:
dang. you sayin' i summoned him this round? 😅 oh jeez..................

[QUOTE]your Pluto is using him to activate your natal Uranus-Neptune conjunction.

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Yes. ... Pluto - the god that moves in mysterious ways - wants you to go for that coffee.

posted December 03, 2020 10:49 AM            

When my ex was under this spell that summer of us separating, I specifically tried to explain she, the other woman, might be to him the equivalent of «my M..» which he vaguely knew about; I was familiar/could-relate compassionately with the compulsion in general, secondly, mine would ever so often try to come around during my time in the relationship, which I would navigate aptly, respectfully. Needless to say, my advice that day fell on deaf ears—the story’s long over.

However, now, M… is back, my interest is peaked on multiple, cosmic levels. Obviously, I’m single and ready to mingle with a strong learning-curve of history behind me, but there’s definitely something else going on under the surface, setting precedence for the future.

but anyway I don’t want to compare them, my ex, his lover, and mine. Just coincidental food for thought

posted December 03, 2020 12:15 PM            

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Yes. ... Pluto - the god that moves in mysterious ways - wants you to go for that coffee.

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We’ll see... It’ll probably scare him off if I lean into it open-heartedly or too eagerly. Which is fine

Waiting on Todd’s thoughts to close-case.

posted December 03, 2020 01:34 PM            

The direct effect is caused by the other person's chart/character—not by an planetary transit—so [should potentially have] choice to this. I'm not particularly cruising for a bruising if that were to become the case, but you raise a good point about my unconscious summoning this, or plainly, I've invited this into my life. Though, technically, he’s the one that then invites himself to the city I live in—I wouldn’t be ranting about this publicly, making a thread, if it weren’t for his gesture, whatever it’s for.

Question that came to mind is whether it’s possible to see if the connecting planet is “healthy” and if it’s own condition has an effect on the ensuing evolutionary dynamic. so, what his Moon means to his chart, or, what he's "using me" for.

Can already feel the lower-octaves of my Neptune placement being strung and need to consider whether to allow this particular Pluto “triangle” grazing. I learned a lesson before, as my intuition reminds me, about the pitfalls of idealism.

in Huber House AP terms... Pluto will be activated one way or another, maybe, just maybe, I have a choice in how---entirely dodge the human impact. There’s something about him that I just don’t like but I can’t put my finger on it, or it doesn’t get past my natural sympathy. Deep down I know this with him isn’t going anywhere worthwhile, just sensual pleasure, so my motto is Why would I even bother?

If I hang out with him, or anyone romantically right now for that matter, I’ll be distracted. Tough call. I already somewhat lost my appetite these last days.

posted December 03, 2020 08:06 PM            

The moment chart is not encouraging as his action s by leaving you for a,what was it,a updated version of you?

With Pluto exacy square the moon opposed to Chiron, this is not a attempt to express remorse or sincere affection,this is just another psych-op to try to bring your emotional issues go the fore and blame you for the discourteous attitudes he exhibited last time you were together.there is no remorse here, only continued manipulation.

The moon/Saturn midpoint is conjunct to the Venus/Uranus conjunction which I interpret as
showing his "improved you girlfriend" has kicked him out. So he is thinking he can get back with you.
Then the sun/dejaniera midpoint is squared by the Mars/nessus opposition. As you said,red flags all over the place .he absolutely trying to advance his fortune by using you again.there is zero love coming from him.it is all about getting you under his emotional control again.
With the moon/mercury/juno stellium,he is pushing for a reconciliation and wants to play house again with you.he will be very charming consciously but he won't be able to conceal his real agenda.which is shown by the Jupiter/pallas-eris midpoints conjunct dejaniera .he will try to use the sexual chemistry between you to make you forget his real sleeze nature.
Orcus is conjunct karma and is opposed to the sun.this pretty much nails it down.there is no consideration for you other than what he can get out of you.so even if this is a karmic hookup,it is a very negative and selfish one.

posted December 04, 2020 01:48 AM            

I never in my life dated this man. he's done nothing to me (there is no bad-blood between us). we barely know one another, almost no history together.

Can you please rewrite your interpretation from fresh eyes? I worry much of your explanation is lost in the previous assumption. And I would very much like to hear this astrology in its fullness so i can figure how exactly to nail the door shut on my way out, if it's so dangerous.

I’m relieved to hear you think it’s bad/selfish. I sensed so, just needed a confirmation. I base this off him having less spiritual interest, has snubbed astrology once to me before.. lol this doesn’t fly well with my values. I shouldn’t meet him for coffee, you red-light that.

The tricomp says he breaks up with a girlfriend beforehand?
Yes this is true—this guy separated with his own gf earlier this year, though they still live together and moving out, he has told me this. From what I can collect, seems he and his girlfriend break up partly because of "me" (obviously not, but he's eluded to wanting to meet me for a while), has wondered if there’s something more to us. I’m only hearing about it NOW, suddenly, because we lost contact up until three weeks ago. This is why he’s ready to jump on a plane, something has been going on in him for a much longer time... But, I also can tell his “instincts” are for an escape, not a dignified wholesome one, so he’s using my existence as an excuse, opportunity.

I told him yesterday:
“I don’t know why you’re here. I don’t know why you want to visit me. Can you be honest enough to explain a little what goes on?” He says he has a deadline to meet today and will write to me on the weekend. So, I will allow this length of time to at least hear his explanation, with “eyes wide open” as Graham notes. And I’ll share with the thread... because there’s many angles to this astrology, in spite of what our intuition alarms and decides.

@graham, I understand the sentiment, but my higher instincts have already kicked in to remind me this guy might be a big waste of time. “Use your strong intuition and intelligence Ive taught you the last years to avoid any trouble”, says Pluto 2.0. Staying on course is now my plutoniansuperpower, perhaps being Inaugurated (AP). Because his flight is two months from now, I can’t wonder~consider, I’m not the type to lead someone on—better he knows now my final decision. He’s a grown man and can fly wherever he wants

If I meet him chances are I’ll get in bed with him which throws away years of tantric-chastity for something potentially painful. 👎🏽

The Moon-NN composite conjunction smells to me that he doesn’t treat emotions well; in this lifetime, would be our contention. Pared with my own divinity, I refuse to engage (or be Jupiter on his SN) with that lesson.

@Todd From his natal chart, what makes him so sleazy? I'm curious. Besides Mars-Pluto opposition square Orcus, can only see a semi-sextile between Moon and Venus. Or are you saying, this is something he specifically reserves for me, wantingn to do nasty things, as told by the composite? I genuinely do not know much about his feelings, only revealed that he harbours them all these years.

Since in Austria, I’ve nicknamed him Krampus. this little joke, plainly tells of an awareness of what lies beneath his surface.

It’s a shame though... because his NN on my Venus is inspiring—for an artist, Rahu is fool’s gold. can already feel fantastic ideas bubbling.... lol I imagine Graham grinning about this potential, *ahem* the stage.

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Looking at the original composite the controlling and emotional domineering aspects are overwhelming .this implies you have deep unresolved emotional issues and he is able to use your emotional weakness to chain you.

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On that note, whoever coined this "Love Stellium" concept has probably inadvertently hurt A LOT of naive astrology students. To each their own.

posted December 04, 2020 01:44 PM            

I might still show up. F*ck if I know... have Uranus in the 7th afterall, always a wildcard. 😋 but, for now, I am reserved at not making any move, primed for the sport of engagement, nothing more. He’s definitely not “my person”, or else I wouldn't have a care in the world. Whenever humanly possible: be merry and free, friends.

posted December 04, 2020 03:14 PM              

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I do not have deep unresolved emotional issues. How else would I be able to insist ‘No’ over and over to him without batting an eye, todd? Granted, I tell astrologers about the event. If that were actually the issue, I'd foolishly think this dynamic was Love and be gung-ho for it---pfft.

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I'm not speaking to and about you and your situation, but speaking to the general concept/notion outlined in the above, and speaking from my own experience. Twin Soul 2 (TS2) has said mostly no to me over and over, and very clearly it comes from deep, unresolved emotional issues. Mainly fear of abandonment, because in Egypt when we were incarnated together and extremely close, I just grew so tired of earth/human life that I wanted to leave--when I did, she took that very hard, very personally, and a deep fear-heart wound of abandonment and confusion around love developed. "Why would someone who loved me so much and I loved so much, leave me when he didn't really have to?"

In this life, she held me at arm's length the entire time, even after a night staring into my eyes with such intense attraction, love, and desire for connection. I'm sure her egoic mind/intellect told her all sorts of stories of why it couldn't work, why it shouldn't work, maybe even that I'm toxic and just looking to use her, or whatever. All that, while some part wanting connection and stringing me along with little occasional carrots.

Point being, that it's possible to reject someone or something pretty consistently, for purely unconscious fear based reasons. Not saying that this does or doesn't apply to you and this situation--I don't know--but just that such things are possible. Humans are funny creatures--most of us are like icebergs--only a small part is above the water in the open air.