posted August 23, 2021 01:40 PM            

So what comes to eyes at the first glance in Draco-Draco:

your Sun - his Jupiter conjunction (the purpose of your connection is him teaching you, expanding horizons)

(it's also in opposition to a bunch of planets but not sure if the orb is legit; overall oppositions refer to South Node experience)

your Siwa - his Kaali exact conjunction (soulmate, tantric)

Parvati-Parvati exact conjunction

Now you can also check Draco-tropical and vice versa. It's a bit of a work and easier for you since you remember your tropical placements. Draco-tropical is even more important for your current relationship. But only tight conjunctions and oppositions.

posted August 23, 2021 02:13 PM            

The Sun/Jupiter makes complete sense. The way he instinctively came over to help me most days was to teach me. (He is an instructor where I was taking a workshop and we were in the same building but he wasn't teaching the workshop. He would just come over and help me, without my asking, whenever he saw me staying late. It was like he had an urge to teach me - specifically regarding themes around my Chiron/his SN.) With that conjunction having to do with the South Node, would that mean the roles were reversed in a past life? Or that the same trend continues?

When you say to compare Draco-tropical, do you mean compare it to the natals, synastry, or composite? (Or all three? lol please say no jk)

That Sun/Jupiter conjunction in Draco is opposite my natal Ceres/Lilith.

The Siwa/Kaali conjunction is also opposite my Ceres.

(With these oppositions to my Ceres, I'm seeing a connection with my SN in Cancer and his Chiron/Jupiter in Cancer... would it be right to say big issues with nurturing in the past? With his natal moon in Scorpio conjunct my Pluto/Vertex too.)

The Draco Sun/Jupiter and Siwa/Kaali all in Leo... His tropical SN and my Chiron also in Leo, but the orbs are too wide.

I'm not seeing a connection between the Parvatis conjunction and any of the other charts.

So are oppositions with asteroids not significant? And are the asteroids only significant if they’re in those pairs you mentioned? Like if it’s yin/yang… in other words, Psyche/Ceres and Psyche/Kaali would not be significant, right? In Draco his Karma is opposite my Valentine, and it seems that Parvati conjunction opposes his Isis, no? What about angles - his Siwa on my AC? (If you have any good links to sites about all this, feel free to send that rather than answer all my laborious beginner questions )

posted August 23, 2021 02:22 PM            

Just a few quick replies:

NNode conjunction in Draco is artificial, it's how this chart is built: both NNodes are placed at 0* Aries and then the distance between NNode and each planet defines where the planet is placed

Conjunctions are about NNode, oppositions SNode, so your Sun-Jupiter is about North Node

posted August 24, 2021 10:32 PM            

The difference - in Draconic, we have an exact Siva-Siva conjunction near his Pluto. It sextiles my Pluto and his Sun, trines his Chiron and my Uranus/Neptune. Meanwhile his Kaali squares my Saturn and my Kaali/Mars conjunction opposes his moon and trines his Mars.

In tropical, it's my natal Kaali/Mars conjunction square his Ceres and Uranus/Vesta on my NN, my Kaali/Mars also trine his moon and Vertex. His Siva(/Pluto) trine my MC (sextile IC then?), wide trine to my AC.

posted August 25, 2021 12:17 AM              

Asteroids are kind of similar to this. There are so, so, so many of them, that if you're looking for patterns, well some asteroid is likely to show up.

I've never used asteroids (minus occasionally Chiron, but more as a sub note indication), and my analysis of Natals, Synastry, etc has never lacked nor felt incomplete. Everything truly important is there with the main symbols.

posted August 25, 2021 05:18 AM            

But with asteroids I only consider conjunctions, preferably exact, or up to 2* max. Maybe exact oppositions. Other aspects could matter if they form a geometric pattern or DW. No point in looking into all the aspects or overlays with asteroids. When you see exact conjunctions, they really stand out.

Try also to find asteroids which sound close to your names and his gf's name, and include them with previous ones. Astro.com doesn't allow including more than 10 asteroids at once.

posted August 25, 2021 05:37 AM            

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Here's my experience. My progressed Moon was going in the last couple of years through conjunctions with pr. Venus R7, pr. Sun R10, sextile to natal Venus R7, trine to natal Asc and sextile to natal Dsc, but nothing was happening in my personal life. However when it was conjunct pr. Mars R5, I started seeing someone unexpectedly. Well it's the ruler of the 5th, but still, why not other aspects? It turned out that at the same time pr. Amor was in exact conjunction with pr. Mars, and pr. Moon triggered it.

Another example - I had transit Pluto on my Venus for a couple of years. Except for intense romantic obsession nothing was happening. Despite my natal Venus being in trine to my natal Dsc. It turned out I had my Eros close to Venus, and with transit Pluto on it I felt these intense sexual energies at a distance, however, nothing happened and me and the guy never even touched each other even in a social setting.

However, when transit Pluto finally left my Venus alone, at 6 degrees separating, and started squaring my Pluto, a romance started out of the blue. Actually I started thinking at that point that I will never be with anyone. Yeah the transit Pluto was squaring my Pluto R1, but why not when it was conjunct Venus R7?? Well it turned out that at the time the romance hit transit Pluto was exactly on my Valentine's exact conjunction with the guy's Amor, and to emphasize their role the transit Moon was exactly on that conjunction and on transit Pluto the moment when he unexpectedly kissed me.

It seems to me that my Venus is not working at all in romantic affairs. But Valentine is very active, it is exactly conjunct the guy's Amor and my close friend's Venus (the reason why I don't want to introduce them to each other ), my mom's Amor. Actually my Valentine is very much out of bounds.

With my previous obsession my Amor was on his Moon and with my current date it's opposite to his Venus and Moon within 2* orb falling in the opposition to their midpoint. And I don't even have anything in early Pisces or Virgo, why I keep connecting with people with these placements?

To rant further about asteroids - what are the chances that an asteroid resembling the name of the city where I was born would be exactly conjunct my Asc? my name asteroid exactly square my Vertex axis? my name asteroid very active in my parents' charts and in their wedding chart before I was even planned? and my name asteroid in Draco to be exactly conjunct my tropical Asc?

posted August 25, 2021 06:40 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
In science, it's a noted principle that the more variables and information that you add to an equation, theory, research study, etc, the more statistical noise you're likely going to have/pick up on.

Asteroids are kind of similar to this. There are so, so, so many of them, that if you're looking for patterns, well some asteroid is likely to show up.

I've never used asteroids (minus occasionally Chiron, but more as a sub note indication), and my analysis of Natals, Synastry, etc has never lacked nor felt incomplete. Everything truly important is there with the main symbols.

Once you got all that down, and have noted especially any repeating/supporting patterns, then asteroids might be helpful to look at as a more specific pointer, especially if you are looking at a niche issue or area.

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posted August 25, 2021 11:38 AM            

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In science, it's a noted principle that the more variables and information that you add to an equation, theory, research study, etc, the more statistical noise you're likely going to have/pick up on.

Asteroids are kind of similar to this. There are so, so, so many of them, that if you're looking for patterns, well some asteroid is likely to show up.

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Yes, definitely, that's my challenge in general. I like comparing the different charts and learning about everything, but so much of astrology is knowing what to look for! That's why what Alma said makes sense:

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But with asteroids I only consider conjunctions, preferably exact, or up to 2* max. Maybe exact oppositions. Other aspects could matter if they form a geometric pattern or DW. No point in looking into all the aspects or overlays with asteroids. When you see exact conjunctions, they really stand out.

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Alma, your experience with these asteroids is crazy! And you've sold me on them too. Now I want to look up all kinds of information! It's very funny your Venus is not working at all in romantic affairs. Thank you for piquing my interest and sending me down this new path... I'm very curious where it leads. I'll make a thread or find one to contribute to if I find anything similar in my own experience. You've really enriched my learning!

posted August 25, 2021 11:44 AM              

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Originally posted by AlmaRegulus:

...So I got completely sold on asteroids, but I agree with you that a caution is necessary not to be blown away by the mere noise.At the same time they can show more fine-tuned things than planets.

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Yeah, I agree, which is why I added this last part, the caveat, to what I outlined earlier:

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Once you got all that down, and have noted especially any repeating/supporting patterns, then asteroids might be helpful to look at as a more specific pointer, especially if you are looking at a niche issue or area.

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I guess my deeper point was, it's helpful focus more on, and truly understand the fundamentals first before focusing on asteroids. Often on astro forums, I see people not sitting with the deeper integrated synthesis of the fundamentals before looking at this, that, or the other niche, newest/latest, etc thing.

Part of it is because really good synthesis and full perception of same, is not easy to do. It often takes years and years of practice and honing to really get it. It reminds me a bit of my partner (the following is a very loose analogy) and trying out those 3D picture books. For awhile, she couldn't see the 3D images, but being the ultra Fixed type person she is, she tried and tried (and one day was particularly persistent with it and spent hours), and then all of a sudden something clicked, and then she could see it easily and repeatedly (lol, difference being, we're talking very different time scales between the above and astrology).

Integrated chart synthesis can be a little bit like this. It is so, so tempting though that if you're not fully getting it, that you start focusing on other things. And I've seen that a lot, it is quite a common pattern.

posted August 25, 2021 11:53 AM              

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Originally posted by anska5:
I completely agree. I also thought your summary reg. Moon in scorpio was spot on and it very much related to my own experience with a Moon in scorpio.

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Appreciate the feedback.

Btw, on a completely different and not related note, I had seen you talk on another thread about some challenges you have been going through. I had meant to respond to that, but was looking for the right words/response, ended up getting distracted, and then ended up forgetting about the prior intention.

Just wanted to let you know that you're seen fellow strong Capricorn indicated person, and wish I could give you a hug in person, but meanwhile a Spirit hug. It sounds like you've been going through hell. Clearly, your Soul is very ambitious in its Soul growth goals.

posted August 25, 2021 11:55 AM              

Yeah, I might even cut that down to a 1 degree orb, or 1.5 at the most.

posted August 25, 2021 12:38 PM            

But Galactic, I totally agree. I feel I need another 2 decades just to understand the fundamentals! I was looking at 1-degree orbs, 2 at most. Even so, it's a lot of information.

[editing with an update because I don't want to bump the thread but in case anyone ever has a similar situation]

I realized my Nessus sits exactly on top of his Venus/Lilith conjunction. I suspect there was some intense wounding and betrayal in past lives, likely me wounding him. Also, his natal Vertex sits smack dab on the composite Venus/Chiron/South Node conjunction. His natal Chiron is right on the composite Sun/Mercury conjunction.

I've gone back and forth trying to let him go, but when he got back with his on/off ex AGAIN I decided enough is enough. I blocked him again.

It seems like a pretty nonreciprocal situation similar to what I often find myself in. I have to ask myself why I keep attracting these unrequited crushes. I think much has to do with my natal Pluto in the 5th house (square Saturn in the 8th, sextile Uranus/Neptune in the 7th, trine Mars in the 9th), moon conjunct Venus, and south node in Cancer. I strongly believe the lesson is to integrate the aspects of this person that I admire and leave the rest. What I am really seeking is validation to heal childhood abandonment wounds (of course) and the desire to be right/prove myself worthy (Taurus sun/Venus stubbornness + Aries moon emotionally stimulated by challenge). I have this thing where the more someone rejects me the more urgently I feel the need to prove myself to them and prove them wrong. A lot of it is also the desire to be right, to be vindicated, to prove my initial feelings/intuition correct - because then it would mean I can trust my feelings. I believe a lot of the lesson with water south nodes in general is to NOT trust feelings quite so much and to become more skeptical, objective, practical, realistic. I learn a lot from the Capricorn moons in my life about this, even authors with Cap moons help me. I hope anyone stuck in a similar obsessive and nonreciprocal situation finds this helpful. It does not matter if they are your soulmate/twin flame/whatever - we are here for our own soul growth and that is what we are responsible for. (lol, now do I sound like a Cap north node?!)

posted August 27, 2021 08:30 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
Appreciate the feedback.

Btw, on a completely different and not related note, I had seen you talk on another thread about some challenges you have been going through. I had meant to respond to that, but was looking for the right words/response, ended up getting distracted, and then ended up forgetting about the prior intention.

Just wanted to let you know that you're seen fellow strong Capricorn indicated person, and wish I could give you a hug in person, but meanwhile a Spirit hug. It sounds like you've been going through hell. Clearly, your Soul is very ambitious in its Soul growth goals.

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posted August 27, 2021 03:24 PM              

Some of the intensity let up when Saturn got to early Aqua and then Pluto moved past squaring those 3 (and started to trine N. Saturn at 27* Virgo). But it has been ratcheting up again as Pluto retrogrades & is starting to square N. Pluto again, and T. Saturn was opposing my Asc (though has been retrograding past that of late).

posted March 28, 2022 11:19 PM            

Once again... (controlling the orbs 40%). I am the Cancer rising with Aries moon, obviously
Synastry

Also, I didn't include our name asteroids for privacy reasons, but in the synastry his name asteroid in my chart conjuncts my name asteroid in his chart, at 17 Pisces.

Composite

Progressed Composite

(For the record, sun and moon in the progressed composite with his on/off girlfriend are also just changing signs - currently the pMoon is at 0 Scorpio and pSun is at 29 Cancer. Natally, his pVenus is at 0 Sag and pMoon is at 28 Cap.)

To recap briefly: We met in March last year while I was visiting his country. He noticed me first; I was married, he was in an off period with his on/off person. I was there for six weeks. We connected strongly and mutually, but neither of us made an overt move - we were pretty intimidated by each other, plus he knew I was leaving. The weekend after, my marriage suddenly broke up and my entire life changed in such a way that I could go back to school to pursue my dreams/dharma/north node. And he got back with his ex. Oh, and this is my Saturn return so it's been HELL. F*** Saturn. Anyway they continued on/off and I reached out once a month for a few months, with minimal or no reply from him, until I blocked him. Then unblocked him but kept my profile private so he could no longer see it. In October he realized I had removed him and created a FAKE PROFILE to try to see and contact me WHILE he was on a professional trip WITH HIS GIRLFRIEND and I called him out on it subtly but clearly. Since then, nothing from him but I have followed him on and off because I am a weak FOOL. ANYWAY I still can't get him off my mind, the obsession is derailing my daily life, and now I will be seeing him EVERY DAY starting in the fall. Oh and he will be my TEACHER (although only 3 years older). So HELP PLEASE! Waving my white flag, SOS!!! What do I do!!

Galactic, I tried your method of the recording and listening to myself. I would (not) do as vansio first suggested and act on my feelings, but he is still with his girlfriend now and there has been no contact for so long and soon we will see each other every day and I don't want to make things super awkward as I've done that before... And I am reminding myself all the time of all the potentially bad things about him like vansio pointed out... I know this m*therf**** is as obsessed with me as I am with him, which is what's annoying - what a coward! Alma, thoughts????

posted March 28, 2022 11:19 PM            

And for Alma, in case they're here...

Draco Synastry

posted March 30, 2022 08:22 AM            

I’m just not sure, based on the charts, whether this is a relationship I should pursue or allow if given the opportunity. Would you?

I saw so many amazing qualities in him that I admire, but I think he’s drawn to toxic, immature people and has such a lifestyle. He clearly has issues with women which I read as that Cancer Chiron inability to feel nurtured. (So of course my Cancer SN is like “awe let me take care of him” lol) Recent dreams have indicated he’s waking up (has moved to my right) but is still cut off from his emotions with a conscious/unconscious split like Galactic indicated. (I think the dream was also telling me I had to help him heal and get in touch with his emotions UGH… I think much of this is karmic repayment for what I did to him in a particular past life I dreamed about.)

posted April 05, 2022 02:02 PM            

It's very interesting!

And in his natal, is Venus-Lilith much aspected or only to his Draco?

posted April 05, 2022 02:41 PM            

In both tropical and Draco natal, his Venus/Lilith is unaspected.

Yes I think a lot of astrological interpretation, at least in situations where we have a conflict of interest, is wishful thinking and trying to justify what we feel or confirm things we either intuitively know or want to be true... At least I feel that's how I'm prone to use it. I want to improve my knowledge so I am less susceptible to my own wishful thinking. But I don't think I am there yet.

Still, I am pleased I found some kind of contact to his Venus/Lilith, because I was so puzzled as to why it was totally unaspected. Draco seems to be the answer. I've got to reflect more in your other thread about whether tropical or Draco reflects my relationship with my former husband. I wish there was more discussion/data about the comparison.