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Topic: Come and enter the dark, shadowy cave of 8th House synastric overlays...
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GalacticCoreExplosionV2
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posted December 27, 2021 09:06 PM
 
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Originally posted by angryant2021:
I really enjoyed these interpretations. My partner has his venus and moon in my 8th house + we have composite mars in 8h. I think it really supports the passion between us even though we have a composite 6h stellium. We are both plutonic types though, his chart ruler is mercury and it's exact squaring pluto. His sun is also squaring pluto. His moon is in his natal 8h. For myself, my 8h is empty but I have my moon squaring pluto. We have not experienced any toxic 8h aspects so far, but I believe this is because we openly and actively communicate our obsessiveness/jealously with one another.
Wow, your partner is probably quite hot for you and on some pretty deep levels. Is it one of those cases where he has a hard time keeping his hands off you much of the time? Yes, open, honest communication is so key to healthy relationships. Open, honest communication literally helps to keep the Heart Center/thymus gland active and open. Bruce Moen writes a lot about this in one or two of his books. Bruce was an Aries Sun, with Libra Rising with Venus in Taurus in the 8th, Cap Moon cusping Aquarius, and Scorpio South Node. Apparently for many years, he was the "strong, silent type". But it went deeper than that. He spent much of his earlier first half of his life kind of emotionally numb and gray. During his nonphysical explorations, communicating with guidance, and group work, he traced it back to an event that happened when he was very young, like 3 or 4. I should mention that Bruce also had Libra Neptune Rising, and Neptune was his strongest Planet. Anyways, he saw himself as a child being overwhelmed by all the energies of others and of the world that he was feeling acutely. Much of it sadness, suffering, and pain, and so he took an imaginary scissor, grabbed the energetic "cords" going to his heart, and cut them off. It was in his 40's that he started to do a lot of this nonphysical exploration stuff via the Monroe Institute (he was an engineer and rather "left brained" otherwise). And as he got deeper, he started to open up his heart more and more. Ironically, this culminated in an eventual heart attack in his 60's, and after, he told me in person, he was wide open again, and cried at the drop of a hat, especially if he felt other's joy or pain. Anyways, he wrote a fair amount about how open, honest, direct communication was so important in opening up and keeping open the heart. Interestingly, if you looked up some Cayce readings about Venus and Venusians (i.e. people coming in direct from the nonphysical dimension that Venus correlates with and symbolizes in our dimension), quite often you see/hear descriptions like, "thus the entity is frank, open, kind, and giving" when it came to people with very strong Venus, which correlates to the "heart center" (i.e. thymus gland, while the Sun and Leo correspond more to the actual physical heart, with its powerful magnetic field). He was (is still) an interesting guy, and one of my temporary teachers along the way. IP: Logged |
GalacticCoreExplosionV2
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posted December 27, 2021 09:19 PM
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Originally posted by mee_chryssa:
That's exactly what someone should do when they find themselves in a plutonic thing. Especially from composite. The synastry aspects will work out over time, but those in composite are really hard to deal with.
Thank you for confirming that Chryssa. Tbh, I have less experience with composites than with synastry. I kind of don't trust them since the composite between me and a certain person that I have written too much about, is quite overall beautiful and intense. And ironically, Pluto, the composite chart ruler of the IC and Moon (and also itself, since it's in Scorpio) in that chart trines the early Pisces Sun, Venus, Mercury conjunction in the 7th, trines Cancer Chiron in the 11th, and sextiles Cap Neptune in the 5th, and no stress aspects to Pluto. Yep, could have been very beautiful and intense. We could have become very merged in a very deep, powerful, and harmonious way, but she (well we to some extent, I wasn't blameless by any means, but at least I initially had my heart wide open to her) chose fear, ego, and materialism (big surprise with her combo of Aries Sun, Scorpio Moon Pluto IC conjunction, Venus Saturn conjunction in the 7th, and Taurus South Node and chart ruler in Taurus) over love and extremely deep, spiritual connection. IP: Logged |
mee_chryssa
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posted December 28, 2021 03:12 PM
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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
Thank you for confirming that Chryssa. Tbh, I have less experience with composites than with synastry. I kind of don't trust them since the composite between me and a certain person that I have written too much about, is quite overall beautiful and intense. And ironically, Pluto, the composite chart ruler of the IC and Moon (and also itself, since it's in Scorpio) in that chart trines the early Pisces Sun, Venus, Mercury conjunction in the 7th, trines Cancer Chiron in the 11th, and sextiles Cap Neptune in the 5th, and no stress aspects to Pluto. Yep, could have been very beautiful and intense. We could have become very merged in a very deep, powerful, and harmonious way, but she (well we to some extent, I wasn't blameless by any means, but at least I initially had my heart wide open to her) chose fear, ego, and materialism (big surprise with her combo of Aries Sun, Scorpio Moon Pluto IC conjunction, Venus Saturn conjunction in the 7th, and Taurus South Node and chart ruler in Taurus) over love and extremely deep, spiritual connection.
Well, we can't choose who to like and love. You can find more about what relationships she gets into by checking the composites she had with her ex partners. She will choose again the same type of relationships. Like I always like when Venus is conjunct or opposite Uranus in composite along with a Saturn conjunct Sun to make it a commited relationship. I had the trines and sextiles between Venus and Uranus and they weren't enough to make me want to stay. Also, I noticed recently a thing. When I met my ex partner, a friend of mine was deeply attracted to him, and we were both in a club the night I met him. That night, he got my number from a friend and he called me and she answered to my phone, we were both wearing pink and both named Cristina. So she answered, he asked for me, she thought that he was looking for her, and he said that he wants to talk to the Cristina wearing the long pink pants. So came to my room furious that he wanted to talk with me, not with her. I checked their synastry chart and most of the aspects are the same. Venus opposite Mars, her Moon conjunct his Venus, Venus trine Venus, but an opposition from his Pluto to her Venus also. We had Sun opposite Moon, Mars opposite Venus, both Leo ASC, Pluto opposite my Moon (i have it natally), and my Pluto conjunct his Sun, trine his Moon. It made me think why did he noticed me and not her? I mean Moon conjunct Venus is pretty awesome to have in synastry and the obsession from Pluto should have made him to talk with her, plus that she was looking a lot better than me. The only conclusion I ended up having was that even if the composites or synastries are great, we can have them with tons of people, but I think people recognize each other beyond whats in synastry or composite, even if you have in your life 2 people with whom you share the same type of relationship. IP: Logged |
Stawr
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posted December 30, 2021 11:34 AM
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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
Sounds kind of intense Stawr. Would you characterize the 8th as such?
it can be, okay yes. lol I left out that his 8th house starts at 12 Aries. Early into dating he use to assure me "you're the only girl I care about besides my family. " Well his mom is also an Aries Sun, and his sister has Aries moon. Not sure about his younger sister (not in her big 3 at least) He likes to do whatever his family asks. This can annoy me sometimes. BUT they say how a man treats his mother is how they will treat you. I have experienced him dropping everything to help out my ass before. It's amazing. He left work early once before we were even engaged because my lap top died and I had a paper to turn in that evening. I was like hyperventilating on the phone, and he fixed the problem. IP: Logged |
PlutoWasHere
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posted December 30, 2021 12:00 PM
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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
I suspect 8th House has shown up in some very specific ways for you, rather than the generalized, kind of over "Scorpio like" interpretation that many give it.
My full 8th House is a good representation of the fact that I'm a very guarded person. My childhood wasn't easy and though I know that the important caretakers in my life loved me, I strongly feel they didn't have my best interest. They were just too invested in their own issues. My Pluto definitely has a strong Venus/Libra flavour. It's not only in Libra and ruled by Venus, it's also inconjunct an parallel Venus. I can get very intense when I strongly feel something isn't fair. When something really gets to me, I have an "I'm going down with this ship" kind of attitude. Often I don't even notice that other people feel like I just bulldoze them when that happens. I do think it's a bit like that with Pluto/H8 synastry too. Either you're all in or you just walk away. However, it's very much a part of my personality and maybe that's why it feels less intense for me.
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StoneMoon
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posted May 24, 2024 09:16 AM
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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
Hi StoneMoon, that website I linked and which may have "borrowed" heavily from the book I referenced, indicates that it is usually the Planet person who more so feels the intensity--especially in the sense of being "captivated" and/or magnetized by the House person. If that is true as a general rule, and relating to your patterns, it seems like there is perhaps an unconscious part of you that seeks the upper hand and to be the one more in control. If so, that ultimately comes from fear. And fear is a very unstable and weak foundation to base a relationship on. Perhaps part of your 8th House journey of growth is to learn how to surrender and be more vulnerable? To have trust in the partner (when they show they are trustworthy), as well as trust in your own gut instincts and intuition? But then again, that doesn't mean giving up boundaries or the like. I think I remember that you have very strong Neptune? And definitely, people with very strong Neptune need to exercise some boundaries. Anyways, I don't know your probable future, but I wouldn't necessarily write off your love life as ultimately hopeless. In my experience, it's when we truly drop the over attachment to something, which is when it often then manifests in our lives in a healthier, more balanced, stable, and more deeply satisfying way.
I don't know that GCE is still here, but I came across this thread and wanted to follow up.
Still single, but after four years of zero interest, I am now currently very very very interested in a man. At first there was little interest on my part, then awareness set in, then this obsessive quality. I know his TOB, and he has planets in my 8th (his Sun and Mercury), which I always require, ... but this time, my Mercury, Venus, and Mars all fall in his 8th house. His Venus is in my 7th, and it squares my Mars. Intense doesn't begin to cut it. But it's more than sexual, it's very emotionally intense and we haven't even begun anything. We both have the upper hand. It flips, and the connection is like none I have ever experienced. So what GCE said about the house person having the upper hand- I think I have spent the last few years healing that fear based need to control and this is a chance to become vulnerable and share equally in relationship.
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SleepyDiary
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posted May 24, 2024 03:17 PM
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Originally posted by StoneMoon:
So what GCE said about the house person having the upper hand- I think I have spent the last few years healing that fear based need to control and this is a chance to become vulnerable and share equally in relationship.
I wouldn`t want to be the house person when it comes to the Water houses in my observation it`s the house that is the more vulnerable person because the Planet person hits very deep parts of the house person. It`s very hard for the house person to be "casual" towards the Planet person no matter what they feel about them. Stelliums esp in these types of houses can become a lot for the house person. I had a guy have most of his personal planets spread out between my 4th and 12th and it was very unsettling having someone affect me so deeply which i hadn`t experienced before and trust me i had been in intense relations before but he made them all seem lukewarm in comparison. I also don`t agree if you already have planets in a certain house you won`t feel it much in synastry i am a 12th houser and a 4th houser and i felt every bit of those overlays and it was very intense and i ended up emotionally and mentally very exhausted. I could NOT take this person lightly in any way, shape or form. I think when it comes to the Water houses it`s best when both people are in each others Water houses but it`s definitivly the house person that is the more vulnerable one unless they too hits something equally as deep in the others chart. I also think when you already have planets in a house Natally you might often find yourself attracted to the same houses in Synastry. IP: Logged |
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posted May 24, 2024 04:45 PM
Hi Sleepy,it's interesting that you felt overwhelmed with your heavy 4th/12th synastry. This is the first time that I knowingly have MY planets in their 8th. But I have only had one relationship that didn't have something in my 8th, and it was short and shallow. I don't really form relationships without my 8th house having a personal planet in it. This guy is a Plutonian, with natal Pluto aspecting three personal planets (Moon, Venus and Mercury) and in the same sign as Mars. His own 8th has no personal planets in it though. And I don't know what to think about this relationship should it form bcs our composite stellium is in the 8th too- Sun/Venus, Mercury, and Jupiter. This is a spiritual union if it comes to fruition. Whether it lasts or not, I don't know. We are also both Saturn people and our composite is strong on Saturn too. There's a lot going on. IP: Logged |
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posted May 24, 2024 05:17 PM
Chiming in here, the most intense, deep emotional relationship Iīve ever had was with a man who had his venus, mars, saturn, uranus, neptune in my 8th house.
As soon as we laid eyes on eachother it was love at first sight, and since that moment we were inseperable until we broke up. He told me many times he was addicted to me, and that when he saw me he felt like he already knew me, it was also the best sex Iīve ever had. But when things ended it was the worst feeling in the world. We also reunited many times over the years, but it didnīt work out. We couldnīt be together but couldnīt be apart. Years later, I still think about him almost every day.Fast forward to today, I have met someone at work who I am intensely drawn to, and feel he is too, but nothing has happened yet he also has a giant stellium in my 8th house... Venus, Mercury, Jupiter, Uranus, Neptune, and NN cusp, I wonder if it will be a similar experience I had with my ex. Looking back at my other ex´s, all of the most significant relationships all had some planet in my 8th, one ex had his venus and another his moon. But neither as intense an experience as the one mentioned above IP: Logged |
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posted May 24, 2024 05:40 PM
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Hi Sleepy,it's interesting that you felt overwhelmed with your heavy 4th/12th synastry.
It`s because the Water houses are the deepest houses someone could hit in your chart it`s veeeery hard for the house person to be "casual" towards the Planet person and like you have said yourself everytime you have felt strong attraction towards someone they have landed in your 8th house. I don`t know if you have been lucky with the people who have hit your 8th house which might be why you haven`t been so overwhelmed by it but if you have someone who hit your Water houses and they are unevolved it will be very overwhelming for the house person because the house don`t take the Planet person lightly but these overlays can be very good for the house person if the Planet person is a evolved person. Also i think it depends what your Moon sign is too if you already have a sensitive Moon and you have deep overlays with someone it can be very overwhelming. IP: Logged |
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posted May 24, 2024 06:21 PM
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Looking back at my other exīs, all of the most significant relationships all had some planet in my 8th, one ex had his venus and another his moon. But neither as intense an experience as the one mentioned above
All the ones i have also experienced deep attraction for has also hit my Water houses but none as intense and overwhelming as the one that had most of his personal planets in my Water houses. It`s almost impossible being casual with these types of overlays esp for the house person. Deep feelings are easily triggered in the house person and 99% of the time when i have heard someone say they had strong almost overwhelming feelings for someone it turns out they were dealing with someone who had a planet or more in their Water houses. IP: Logged |
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posted May 25, 2024 12:58 AM
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All the ones i have also experienced deep attraction for has also hit my Water houses but none as intense and overwhelming as the one that had most of his personal planets in my Water houses. It`s almost impossible being casual with these types of overlays esp for the house person. Deep feelings are easily triggered in the house person and 99% of the time when i have heard someone say they had strong almost overwhelming feelings for someone it turns out they were dealing with someone who had a planet or more in their Water houses.
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SleepyDiary
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posted May 25, 2024 05:00 PM
Also i forgot to add when it comes to the Water houses the Planet person can also be overwhelmed by the insights they have into the house person esp if the house person is someone who carry a lot of baggage and or is in denial this esp with the Moon in these houses. It`s very easy for the Planet person to see, sense or feel the house person`s thoughts and feelings and have deep insights into their psyche. IP: Logged |
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posted May 25, 2024 06:07 PM
Sleepy,I have had synastry with people in my 4th and it does nothing much for me. 12th house are always my friends, never lovers. It's only 8th house for me. I do have a Cap Moon in the 2nd, and it's opposite my Sun, inconjunct Mercury and Saturn itself. While I find myself to be quite sensitive, I don't think I have a sensitive Moon in the way you mention it. I need the friction I think. Maybe it correlates to north node? My NN is Virgo 10th, and the best description I have heard of it is "order out of chaos"... and that describes all relationships I have ever had- friends, family, lovers... I think I am here to experience the chaos and make sense of it all... and what better chaos than 8th house?  IP: Logged |
SleepyDiary
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posted May 25, 2024 06:53 PM
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Originally posted by StoneMoon:
Sleepy,I have had synastry with people in my 4th and it does nothing much for me. 12th house are always my friends, never lovers. It's only 8th house for me. I do have a Cap Moon in the 2nd, and it's opposite my Sun, inconjunct Mercury and Saturn itself. While I find myself to be quite sensitive, I don't think I have a sensitive Moon in the way you mention it. I need the friction I think. Maybe it correlates to north node? My NN is Virgo 10th, and the best description I have heard of it is "order out of chaos"... and that describes all relationships I have ever had- friends, family, lovers... I think I am here to experience the chaos and make sense of it all... and what better chaos than 8th house?
I think you misunderstand what i mean i don`t mean that all the Water houses will have an equal deep impact on you it depends on your chart and which houses you are more drawn to but usually WHEN someone affects you deeply 90% of the time they usually tend to have a personal planet in one of your Water houses doesn`t matter which one of the houses it is. The house person is vulnerable because of the deep impact the Planet person can have on them and the access the Planet person can have into the psyche of the house person. These houses are not lighthearted like the 9th and 3rd houses they are very deep houses and anyone that you care about esp romantically that lands in one of these houses has the potential to stir up really strong emotions in you and bring out sides to you that might surprise you. IP: Logged | |
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