posted December 19, 2021 07:41 PM              

Let's start with partner's Sun in other partner's 8th House:

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The Sun in the partner’s eighth house of a synastry overlay is not for the faint of heart. This synastry overlay creates a bond between you that is more like a chain with a spiked collar around both of your necks.

The Sun person has been captivated by the eighth house person. As the Sun person, you may feel very unsettled, psychologically, by the house person, and yet you are powerless to leave. There may be something deeply disturbing, dark, or mysterious about the eighth house person. Your instincts may tell you to run, but that only makes you remain fascinated by the house person. They awaken something deep inside you that you never even knew existed. You sense that the eighth house person has the power to transform you. This can be disturbing, and not everyone will enjoy this type of relationship.

It may be that the house person has walked into your life at a time when you (Sun person) have hit rock bottom. The house person, in this case, will be able to help you rise out of your ashes.

The eighth house person feels a strong bond to the Sun person. The house person will not let go of the other under almost any circumstances. There’s a level of emotional dependence here that can be scary for both of you.

The sun in the partner’s 8th house is unsettling for both partners. Both partners initially feel afraid of this relationship, and yet bewitched at the same time. You’re drawn to each other the way people are drawn to watch horror movies. You know you shouldn’t look, but you look anyway. Then, somehow, you enjoy the horror.

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Partner's Moon in other partner's 8th House:

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The Moon in the partner’s eighth house of a synastry overlay can be a breeding ground for some of mankind’s most unattractive aspects.

The house person reaches deep into the psyche of the Moon person and stirs up the demons that most of us keep hidden in the subconscious. The Moon person may crave things in this relationship that are normally unacceptable to society. You (Moon person) know they’re unacceptable, and yet you’re unable to control the dark urges that the house person arouses in you. There may be a compulsive desire for sexual excess, extreme possessiveness, extreme greed and power.

The Moon person’s dark urges have the effect of sucking the house person in to this “devil’s playground.” The two of you desire to act out your deviant fantasies together. You’re deeply attracted at a core level which defies logic. You feel a hunger for your partner in the pit of your stomach, and you take pleasure in the idea of devouring each other.

If your individual characteristics have a good amount of restraint, you may be able to contain your demons. In this case, you may be able to enjoy the deep connection and emotional nurturing that comes with this overlay, and keep the relationship at a healthy level. However, if either of you already have a dark or rebellious streak, then this relationship can bring out the worst. If this is case, the deep connection may not work here because after the demons are revealed, everyone looks less attractive.

You may break this relationship only to resurrect it years later. Your compulsive desire for each other may seem to fade temporarily, but it always comes around again and is never satiated.

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Partner's Venus in other partner's 8th House:

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If your Venus is in your partner’s eighth house of a synastry overlay, you’re captivated by your partner. You feel completely subjugated and you give in to all of their impulses for pleasure. At the same time, you don’t try to run away. You’re enthralled at their requests, and you have a gut feeling that they can lead to you experience the deepest, darkest pleasure you could ever imagine. You find the house person very sexually attractive, and you willingly make yourself available to them.

Like a predator sensing weakness in its prey, the house person senses your inability to deny them any pleasure. They feel empowered by this, and they’ll have all kinds of wild, untamed fantasies of the two of you. They dream of doing things that they perhaps would never even consider in other relationships. You arouse the beast within the house person.

Venus in the partner’s 8th house is highly sexual, and even in relationships where sex is not an option, a sexual tension will be noticeable.

The sex in this relationship is not the “one-night stand” type. Rather, it’s emotionally deep, affecting both of you at a subconscious level. Since this is the 8th house, your involvement with each other will transform the both of you. The transformation process can be utterly painful, but it produces a new and improved “you.”

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Unfortunately, for some reason they don't have a Mars interpretation. However, I have noticed that a number of the interpretations are eerily similar to a book I have called "Planets in Synastry" by E.W. Neville. There seems to have been some creative "paraphrasing" that has gone on with that book on the website.

Anyways, from my copy of the book about partners's Mars in partner's 8th House:

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This overlay is responsible for most "double takes:" that neck-wrenching response when another person reaches across a room or crosswalk and hits us right in our procreative urges. This is perhaps the most apparent and energetically pure sexual response which is likely to b kindled by the physical presence of another human being [GCE's comment, I somewhat disagree, Mars conjunct Asc/in 1st House or opposed Asc/in 7th are pretty dang intense as well]. There is nothing particularly elegant or generous in the reaction since it triggers a powerful, "I WANT THAT ONE!" feeling comprised mostly of a desire to possess and overwhelm.

The Mars person will most likely be the one who is bug-eyed, but the house person knows this is happening and will be very tempted to at least allow the Mars person to enjoy the feast of responses. Of course, nothing much will come of this beyond a rise in room temperature and some enlarged pupils unless the house person is experience some similar twinges, but if they are present, there is a powerful magnetism being generated. Given some more gentle and compassionate links elsewhere, this overlay gets its share of of relationships off and running with great energy and enthusiasm. [GCE's note: Author then talks about non sexual, non romantic situations/connections with this overlay--let's face it, no one here is interested in hearing about this, so I will skip it]...

While the 8th House is associated with many other elements in life, if you look closely at the traditional associations, they are all devices to wield power and control (i.e. money, magic, secrecy). In the end, humans are motivated to master these devices primarily for their own self-gratification and this overlay triggers the strongest urge to fill that need.

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Da'yam.

For me, my 8th starts around 6 or 7 degrees Pisces (from a cusping viewpoint) and ends around 7* Aries or so. It's kind of intense also because I have Mars (co-ruler of IC) at 15 degrees Virgo, and so often, if a person has their Planets captured in my 8th, it's also often opposed my Mars. Then, the ruler of my 5th and co-ruler of my 8th, Jupiter, is conjunct Mars and at about 10 degrees Virgo and is often involved to some extent as well.

Then Saturn, the ruler of my Sun, Mercury, and faster moving ruler of my Aqua Descendant and Venus, is at 27* Virgo with Libra Moon widely conjunct same at 3*. Chances are, if a person has strong Pisces placements (or early Aries), it is opposing one or more of these symbols. Oppositions are pretty intense in and of themselves (especially Mars, and in my case Saturn as well since it's such a sensitive/receptive and relationship oriented symbol in this chart, and Jupiter is extremely aligned to sexual energy in this chart being the ruler of 5th and co-ruler of 8th).

I also have early Pisces South Node (though firmly in my 7th). Makes me wonder, do I tend to intensely repulse and/or attract people with strong and/or personal placements in Pisces? Clearly the 8th House is not a particularly comfortable place for most planets. And Mars and/or Saturn oppositions can be pretty uncomfortable in their own respects, though in different ways (though Mars and 8th both share intense sexual energy and themes).

posted December 20, 2021 03:08 PM            

Now I know two persons who have planets in my 8th house. One has Venus and Jupiter there, I really like this guy and my pluto trines his Venus. My venus opp his Mars.

posted December 20, 2021 03:54 PM            

So perhaps there’s something to be said to the melodrama 🙄 big whatever

Maybe 8th house synastry placements are more exciting/liberating for people without natal agency for this self-stimulation - I think the reactionary energy (desire for [will]power) is easily mistaken, but more often than not, people are compelled to discovery, when it IS evolutionary necessary… to consolidate . I’m not typically phased by the aspects (read: instinct is to let go) - they usually are impressed, since they’re having some kind of demanding “experience”. I don’t hold my breath while they face themselves. Serious Pluto 2.0

Chances are plutonic or 8th house synastry is dawn of the ugly bullshiit, aka struggles of the human condition . I mean ask anyone who’s had a Pluto transit about their reckoning. Why should synastry’s effect be romanticized? Often, if a successful process, this comes down to, after the fact, as “thank you for not leaving me, while I was stuck in an ego chamber…” kind of summarized acceptance. Or if actually “left” by the partner, than an eventual acceptance of that.

🍻 (edit: I wrote this after a drink.. it’s only a trashy cynical opinion - obvious there are perks to synastry assistance when love is driving.)

another thing came to mind, my roommate has her Capricorn Venus overlaying to my 8th House Moon… these days she’s often passive-aggressive and/or displays sort of disdain. I was deep cleaning the house the last days, and she started grilling me about alterior motives for doing this? Oy vey. Again, I don’t react (personalize projections), - though other’s fixations (contention) can get annoying to sense if such becomes a “problem”, especially those harboring (attached to) deep misery; heavy pain body etc. Intense.

posted December 20, 2021 09:35 PM              

It sounds like your experiences have been more positive than the average/trend, though still deep and somewhat intense. Do you have any Aquarius and/or Leo in your chart? Thank you for sharing.

posted December 21, 2021 06:19 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:

You have Pisces Sun, Chryssa?

It sounds like your experiences have been more positive than the average/trend, though still deep and somewhat intense. Do you have any Aquarius and/or Leo in your chart? Thank you for sharing.

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Yes, my ASC is in Leo conjunct Jupiter opposite Saturn in Aquarius 7th house. I had trouble finding my ASC because my mother was telling me a time of birth and my father another one so I went to the hospital to find out in the end, the stress was too much to keep guessing ))

So the 8th house is in Pisces ruled by Jupiter and Neptune, I think its very different than an 8th house ruled by Mars or Saturn. Pisces energy is more like going with the flow and anyway it's a profound sign, so I think it's not so bad to have 8th house cusp in Pisces.

They were both Leo ASC so the energy was familiar to both of us. I can't tell if it was so intense for them because one has Sun mercury and Mars in Scorpio and anyway Scorpios are really attracted to Pisces and the other one has a Scorpio Mars and Virgo Venus, so he again really likes Pisces energy. He said that he really likes how Pisces are, that they all have some artistic qualities to them. My Venus is conjunct their MC, so both liked the energy.

posted December 21, 2021 07:30 PM              

I can imagine that someone with Mars Cancer conjunct Asc, chart ruler the Moon in Cap in the 8th, and Pisces Sun would hunger for some of the 8th House themes of intense merging and transformation. Because, that particular combo above, ends up looking and feeling A LOT like Scorpio in a lot of ways. When you mix all those individual colors/vibratory patterns in proportion i.e. adding a good amount of red from Mars, the deeper blue of Cap, the violet of Pisces, etc, you end up with a deep, reddish purple like aubergine, which is very akin to the archetypal color vibratory pattern of Scorpio and/or Pluto (there are some slight differences in tone between these), as is (i.e. not actually being used/channeled by a person).

Hmmm indeed.

But its also a painful subject for you, and so it is tempting to be dismissive and flippant as a defense mechanism. Precisely because you do hunger for that ultimate merging (both with another human, and with the Whole).

But yes, I do agree, a lot of Pluto, 8th House, and/or Scorpio stuff is over hyped, over focused on, and over glamorized. A lot of it in actuality is just ego, attachment, lower centers being too active/strong, etc. I completely get and agree with that part of your reply.

Funny about the car crash account. Sounds like a scene out of a romantic-drama/comedy. But sorry to hear about your housemate.

Anyways, I think the deeper point of Pluto, 8th House, etc, is that more than any other symbols, its about stirring up our shadows so that we finally consciously face and work on those ugly, unconscious, and suppressed/repressed parts of ourselves, others, and/or of life. That's the deeper and important part of these symbols.

And it is the most unpleasant and uncomfortable process in the world. Facing one's ego and shadow honestly and directly is the most difficult thing for a human (read, humans plural) to do.

And why you gotta be bopping us Capricorns? We sometimes bop back. Why don't you go bop a Hiphopopotamus instead? :P (and a hug, if you want one).
http://youtu.be/FArZxLj6DLk

posted December 21, 2021 08:03 PM              

Thank you for sharing Chryssa. Yes, it definitely helps to have the Leo Rising and Jupiter.* Though, the Aqua Saturn can counter balance that some back to the difficult/challenging.

Yeah, I agree with you that Pisces isn't as tough on the 8th as perhaps some, less flexible etc Signs could be. Though, the delusion aspect could be high depending.

*Btw, that combo of Leo Asc with Leo Jupiter in the 1st and Pisces Sun explains why I've always liked your energy, and got some old soul vibes from you.

posted December 21, 2021 08:15 PM              

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Originally posted by PlutoWasHere:
Like vansio, I wonder if people with a strong natal H8 are less affected by H8 synastry...

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Could be, but could also be that you have all that Taurus, which is very fixed, very slow moving, very grounded, very calm, very practical, very level headed, and not prone to flights of fancy or over intensity (speaking generally).

Also, these are somewhat opposite energies in a sense, and so that can indicate you have a good balance and integration, which also would indicate not getting overly caught up in the over intense or "melodramatic" parts.

And one of the potential meanings of Mars conjunct Saturn, is that Saturn tends to inhibit the raw passion, lust, fire, etc of Mars, which along with all that Taurus, almost shows an "anti" or opposite to Scorpio type vibe and pattern (Scorpio is most definitely still very much co-ruled by Mars after all). [But then again, you have Pluto in the 1st, but then again, it's in Libra, a Venus ruled Sign, and so we are right back to square one )

I suspect 8th House has shown up in some very specific ways for you, rather than the generalized, kind of over "Scorpio like" interpretation that many give it.

posted December 22, 2021 12:28 AM            

My 8th house starts at 3 degrees Capricorn.
His Uranus, Neptune, Lilith are in my 8th house.

Before I was with a guy who had Venus Saturn Uranus, Neptune in my 8th house

posted December 22, 2021 08:19 PM              

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Originally posted by vansio:
nevermind

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From the album Nevermind:
http://youtu.be/vabnZ9-ex7o

posted December 22, 2021 08:32 PM              

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Originally posted by Stawr:
My husband has his 8th house start at...

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Sounds kind of intense Stawr. Would you characterize the 8th as such?

posted December 22, 2021 09:06 PM              

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Originally posted by mee_chryssa:
Thank you, GCE, I thought the same about you and I think its because of the Leo asc and because you too have a pisces south node, my south node is in the 12th house.

I thought the same about saturn in the 7th, but having the Saturn Return recently and it was actually a good time. I've had some problems, but they were for the greater good. I need some boundaries and to learn about relationships . I am actually greateful for it even though its a life long journey.

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And like you, I also have Jupiter in the 1st, though it is cusping into the 2nd some.
Btw, also, I have Aqua Venus at 21*.

The Universal Saturn (Saturn as a symbol for everyone) is a very necessary and important one. It helps us to spiritually grow up, or rather, it represents that aspect of the larger consciousness system, guidance, and our Expanded self that pokes and prods us into greater maturity through difficulty, testing, challenge, stress, etc. Eventually, it can also indicate hard won rewards and satisfaction.

posted December 25, 2021 06:26 PM            

In relationships I love someone's personal planets in my 8th, but it's always been Sun and/or Moon. sometimes Mercury. I have never experienced a Mars in my 8th romantically. I can't speak for how they feel, but the relationships aren't overwhelming or scary for me... but my feeling of what is intense is somewhat numbed because everything I do needs to be intense... so my definition and theirs might be different.

posted December 25, 2021 07:12 PM              

And fear is a very unstable and weak foundation to base a relationship on. Perhaps part of your 8th House journey of growth is to learn how to surrender and be more vulnerable? To have trust in the partner (when they show they are trustworthy), as well as trust in your own gut instincts and intuition?

But then again, that doesn't mean giving up boundaries or the like. I think I remember that you have very strong Neptune? And definitely, people with very strong Neptune need to exercise some boundaries.

posted December 27, 2021 02:04 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:

And fear is a very unstable and weak foundation to base a relationship on. Perhaps part of your 8th House journey of growth is to learn how to surrender and be more vulnerable? To have trust in the partner (when they show they are trustworthy), as well as trust in your own gut instincts and intuition?

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posted December 27, 2021 08:53 PM              

It's really good that you're self aware/conscious of all that. That is the first step in transformation. Yes, of course you have time, but with strong Fixed and strong to moderate Earth energies, you don't want to take too much time...