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Topic: My best friend and my lover have a stellar synastry chart... what do you do?
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kikoman Knowflake Posts: 63 From: Registered: Apr 2024
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posted April 03, 2024 11:14 AM
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Giulia000 Knowflake Posts: 47 From: Registered: Jan 2022
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posted April 03, 2024 05:35 PM
Hey Listen, I completely get where you're coming from. I used to compare my boyfriends' chart with girls that I thought were better than me, more compatible with him, etc. The only thing that matters is that YOU, at this time, got the opportunity to hang out with him, not your friend. And you share good charts, too! We're not destined to meet or to develop romantic feelings for every person whom we share great charts with. One chart shows a potential, which has to be activated by a relationship, not just one encounter. It takes experience and intention for one chart to manifest. If you don't feel comfortable with them meeting, then avoid that scenario. But then you'd live with the obsessive thought "what would happen if they met?". I suggest you to only focus on your relationship with him, don't think about your friend, just pretend she doesn't even exist in the world you share with him. Focus on your chart, on the strong aspects that you two share. Think that you're his best choice, and that she's just one friend of yours. Hugs xx IP: Logged |
kikoman Knowflake Posts: 63 From: Registered: Apr 2024
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posted April 03, 2024 07:10 PM
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kikoman Knowflake Posts: 63 From: Registered: Apr 2024
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posted April 03, 2024 07:11 PM
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angryant2021 Knowflake Posts: 198 From: Registered: Feb 2021
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posted April 04, 2024 06:52 AM
By "lover" you mean just sleeping with or a committed relationship?IP: Logged |
kikoman Knowflake Posts: 63 From: Registered: Apr 2024
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posted April 04, 2024 10:36 AM
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mee_chryssa Knowflake Posts: 1192 From: Romania Registered: Jun 2020
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posted April 05, 2024 05:18 AM
its the Saturn transit through ur 7th house... you have a back door open and he's bringing difficult relationships to you so you can understand where it should be a limit...I just had mine, and u should have a limit here... the age differece it's too big and this will have from the stance point some difficulty that should be surpaced, not to mention that a relationship come with its own difficulties even without added ones... if you asked yourself and you did the synastry between this guy and a friend of yours, this should answer your question from the start that it's not safe to continue it... you wouldn't have done it if you felt safe to continue Take care because Saturn always comes with a lesson, unfortunately. He means well, but his only way of showing is through experience to know the reality of things, as cause and concenquences. Never stay in relationships on-off IP: Logged |
kikoman Knowflake Posts: 63 From: Registered: Apr 2024
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posted April 05, 2024 11:52 AM
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kani Knowflake Posts: 1294 From: Registered: Oct 2018
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posted April 05, 2024 05:30 PM
quote: Originally posted by mee_chryssa: the age differece it's too big
Would you say this if the woman was the younger one? Why is it only addressed when the man is younger. My friend and her partner have been in a marriage over 20 years and she is 15 years older than him. IP: Logged |
antiphon Knowflake Posts: 57 From: Registered: Aug 2018
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posted April 06, 2024 02:50 AM
They will most likely hate each other because of mars square mars <2° orb and mars quincunx sun exact. Not even close to “textbook soulmate synastry”. A lot of the positives you list are wide orbs.IP: Logged |
mee_chryssa Knowflake Posts: 1192 From: Romania Registered: Jun 2020
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posted April 06, 2024 07:42 AM
quote: Originally posted by kikoman: Thanks so much for sharing your experience mee_chryssa! The thing about my fear of losing him to my best friend might also be linked with my Natal aspect Venus square Saturn in 12H leo, I often feel attracted to charismatic people and feel like I am not good enough for them. I really want to get over this fear but admit that I was desperately looking for some type of confirmation in synastry.I did think about the current transit Saturn in my 7th house too, I've been single for a long time in the past several years and I almost gave up on it. But since Saturn entered my 7th, my lover showed up out of nowhere, so maybe this could be a positive Saturn in 7H thing rather than a negative one that the universe set me up with. but I can see this certainly will be challenging and require lots of work considering the age gap and my natural fear response...
I know, that's what happend in my case too. I was single for a few years and it started out of the blue.. The thing is that Saturn will show were you have a back door open.. go for it, but be careful, anyway, you will see everything clearer after it ends. It might be different for you because Saturn is in Scorpio, not a very good sign, mine is in domicile and in the 7th. For me it was a blessing to see everything so clear, unfortunately, he doesn't come with good things like Jupiter. Jupiter teaches you through good things that happen to you, and Saturn through cause and consequences and since everything is so specific to us, no one can see in the chart 100% what it is. IP: Logged |
mee_chryssa Knowflake Posts: 1192 From: Romania Registered: Jun 2020
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posted April 06, 2024 07:45 AM
quote: Originally posted by kani: Would you say this if the woman was the younger one? Why is it only addressed when the man is younger. My friend and her partner have been in a marriage over 20 years and she is 15 years older than him.
no, I wouldn't. It can work out, but chances are very little. 90% of relationships are with the man older. This guy has Venus/Saturn conjunct, so it might be the case for him because Venus in a mans chart means his wife and with Saturn it typically means she's older, or Saturn in the 7th. IP: Logged |
mee_chryssa Knowflake Posts: 1192 From: Romania Registered: Jun 2020
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posted April 06, 2024 07:47 AM
quote: Originally posted by antiphon: They will most likely hate each other because of mars square mars <2° orb and mars quincunx sun exact. Not even close to “textbook soulmate synastry”. A lot of the positives you list are wide orbs.
yes, they do, it's a difficult aspect, but beside the aspects she mentioned - textbook soulmates - they also have opposite ASCs, her Sun on his ASC, these ones are very strong andd very compatible, beats any aspect. even with all these aspects, they don't mean that they will get together. There are tons of people born with the same placements or aspects in the natal chart. IP: Logged |
mee_chryssa Knowflake Posts: 1192 From: Romania Registered: Jun 2020
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posted April 06, 2024 07:54 AM
quote: Originally posted by kikoman: Thanks so much for sharing your experience mee_chryssa! The thing about my fear of losing him to my best friend might also be linked with my Natal aspect Venus square Saturn in 12H leo, I often feel attracted to charismatic people and feel like I am not good enough for them. I really want to get over this fear but admit that I was desperately looking for some type of confirmation in synastry.
I don't know how to explain it... but I'll try. You are good enough for the guy that loves you, with your flaws and everything, if he doesn't seem like it, it's not him. You know right from the start about what a relationship is. What's between you and another person. You need a month, the least 3 months to put your finger on it. Meanwhile, you just have to get involved as much as it feels right to do it. There are affairs, your life long partner, your friends, good friends, and they all show you right from the start what they are about. You don't have to wait for the relationship to change it course because it's right on track from the start, you just have to recognize the signs and don't lie to yourself about what it really is. The relationships on-off are always going to stay on-off. The ones that are commited will be from the get-go commited The friends that care for you, will care right from the start. You can see the love and you don't question it. If you start questioning it, something it's wrong. Don't dismiss your fear. Maybe it's something your mind recognizes and it's sending a signal that you've seen this behaviour before and it didn't end well. Usually, with these signals, you just learn to listen to yourself and don't get involved, move past it. Your experience remains with you and it helps u in the future. Especially as a woman. We see things beyond the logic, so listen. Each behaviour leads only to one consequence. You can't use black paint to make a white painting, right? IP: Logged |
mee_chryssa Knowflake Posts: 1192 From: Romania Registered: Jun 2020
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posted April 06, 2024 11:02 AM
I wanted to tell you some tips...The guy you are looking for is either Cancer/Capricorn or Pisces/Virgo Sun and/or ASC. I would incline more to Cancer or Pisces or Capricorn, more than Virgo, because Sun is on your ASC so I guess you are a very bright person and pretty expresive, even though it rules the 12th, thus the fears you have. Regarding your fears, because it rules the 12th and you have 2 planets in the 12th,, so that house is pretty active. Try to conquer the fears, do what you're afraid of and then take a break to let everything settle and draw ur own conclusion. The break will help you to build your self-esteem and general trust in yourself and not settle more fears, if you understand what I mean. If you do them, one by one, and in small steps, you'll get out of them... IP: Logged |
antiphon Knowflake Posts: 57 From: Registered: Aug 2018
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posted April 06, 2024 12:05 PM
quote: Originally posted by mee_chryssa: yes, they do, it's a difficult aspect, but beside the aspects she mentioned - textbook soulmates - they also have opposite ASCs, her Sun on his ASC, these ones are very strong andd very compatible, beats any aspect.even with all these aspects, they don't mean that they will get together. There are tons of people born with the same placements or aspects in the natal chart.
IMO soulmates are rare so indications of soulmates must also be rare. If sun in the 1H is a sign of soulmates, then you millions of soulmates. We know from natal charts and transits that tight orb aspects have the most powerful effects. Synastry is the same. IP: Logged |
kikoman Knowflake Posts: 63 From: Registered: Apr 2024
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posted April 06, 2024 03:35 PM
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angryant2021 Knowflake Posts: 198 From: Registered: Feb 2021
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posted April 06, 2024 05:03 PM
quote: Originally posted by kikoman: We expressed feelings for each other, but haven't discussed exclusivity. He told me that he doesn't like the word "boyfriend or girlfriend" cuz is binary. His ideal is "partners" who support one another yet are not codependent... We are both very independent people, especially he is, and I wanted to give him as much room as possible.
Your natals do aspect the composite, mostly squares but at least the relationship holds some importance to the both of you. Your chart ruler is square his pluto.. obsession. His moon is in your 7th but it's not making easy aspects to your planets. Your moon is in his 5th which is empty and the only significant aspect from his Merc is to your pluto.. also obsession on a mental level. Imo looks like a transit relationship / something to learn from. I agree with chryssa, try working on your insecurities. Your worry over this alone is the beginnings of self sabotage. His Saturn hitting your Venus is perhaps exacerbating this. With a 12h Venus maybe you have problems with expressing your needs.. if you want this to work out then you should consider talking to him about exclusivity. You want to give him space but.. youre kind of torturing yourself but holding these fears inside you instead of sharing it with him.
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kikoman Knowflake Posts: 63 From: Registered: Apr 2024
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posted April 06, 2024 05:09 PM
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antiphon Knowflake Posts: 57 From: Registered: Aug 2018
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posted April 06, 2024 07:19 PM
quote: Originally posted by kikoman: Thank you Antiphon, That's good to know that Mars Square Mars is a difficult aspect in synastry... and orbs matter. Do you have any 2 cents on my synastry with him? You seem to know a lot about Synastry. Since this relationship started, I've started learning more about synastry and closely looking into my past relationship patterns, one interesting fact I've learned is that my ex(the only proper relationship in my life) & My childhood best friend & my college best friend all were Aquarius rising. and My current lover is also Aquarius Rising which makes many of my planets overlay in his 7H. We have a pretty nice house overlay on each other's chart, but our planetary aspect doesn't have any great standout. Our temperament is so different though, He is 3 Aries(sun moon Venus) vs I am 3 Virgo (sun rising mercury). I don't feel always seen by him emotionally, but I feel that he sees my potential and understands what action is required for me to transform. it's not so stable but exciting. I am looking forward to hear your thoughts.
I think you attract Aquarius rising because you have natal sun square uranus. Uranus is the ruler of Aquarius. I know someone who attracts Capricorn and they have natal Sun square Saturn. I believe this occurs when you have difficulty integrating the energy of the square into your personality. In synastry, 7H overlays are great. It’s much stronger to have planets conjunct or close to the descendant, because it’s more rare. Planets overlaying the 7H, but in a different sign than the descendant, is also weaker. The most important aspect you have is moon square moon, which shows difficulty with relating to each other’s emotional needs and understanding each other. You might see him as too aggressive and explosive for you; he might see you as too fragile and emotional for him. You might wonder if maybe the positives outweigh the negatives. I think they don’t, but that is a good thing. Relationships with an equal balance of negative and positive are the most painful. You can spend years trying to make it work. IP: Logged |
kikoman Knowflake Posts: 63 From: Registered: Apr 2024
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posted April 06, 2024 11:58 PM
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kikoman Knowflake Posts: 63 From: Registered: Apr 2024
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posted April 07, 2024 12:34 AM
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angryant2021 Knowflake Posts: 198 From: Registered: Feb 2021
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posted April 07, 2024 03:53 AM
You have flowing aspect from pluto to Merc (your chart ruler) and moon. He has pluto quincunx Merc and flowing to moon and chart rulers (ok Saturn is a bit wide). So no I don't think it's too much pluto because you both have it natally. If you both are aware of pluto, it can be worked through. I just noticed your pluto is sq his DSC. This is also a big obsession factor.Tbh I don't think any aspect is a deal-breaker, it depends on how the individual has harnessed the energy thus far. Pluto-ic makes him touch your most personal point. If you are open to transformation, opening yourself to things different than what you learned in your youth, then no it is not bad. I have it natal conjunct my own IC, so maybe I am biased 😆 IP: Logged |
kani Knowflake Posts: 1294 From: Registered: Oct 2018
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posted April 07, 2024 04:49 AM
quote: Originally posted by mee_chryssa: no, I wouldn't. It can work out, but chances are very little. 90% of relationships are with the man older. This guy has Venus/Saturn conjunct, so it might be the case for him because Venus in a mans chart means his wife and with Saturn it typically means she's older, or Saturn in the 7th.
Marriage statistics show that both partners are usually in the same age bracket. If the man is older then it's just by a few years so yeah it's a double standard on your side. My ex was 10 years younger than me and the relationship worked really well for about 7 years and then it went downhill so I broke it off. Whether the relationship works out has little to do with age and everything to do with how well both partners mesh. Of course both need to be adults, that goes without saying.
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vansio Knowflake Posts: 2889 From: the outskirts of Delphi Registered: Dec 2017
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posted April 07, 2024 05:27 AM
your “synastry” with him is “better” than her’s because you and his moons are at an angle, whereas, his and her moons are 6/8 (enemies). they don’t understand each otherIP: Logged |