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Topic: Is moon square moon in synastry really bad?
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kikoman Knowflake Posts: 33 From: Registered: Apr 2024
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posted May 11, 2024 12:26 PM
quote: Originally posted by Hikaru29: He has some earth (Mars, Mercury) to match your earth qualities and his Sun-Venus conjunct Saturn so he is more grounded and contemplative than the typical Aries. Sun trine Venus, Venus trine Venus and Mercuries trine are very good aspects to have in Synastry. You will have shared love and communication styles. Having said that, you still have a lot of quincunx aspects e.g. your rising signs are also quincunx signs which literally means you need to work harder to understand each other. Do you have a Composite?
Here is our composite https://i.imgur.com/9PpGUjl.jpeg The Pluto opposite Moon on ASC and DC is very noticeable there... I agree with you that we have a somewhat balanced chart because of his earth Mars & Mercury and my fire Mars & Venus making harmonious aspects. I am 12 years older than him so his Sun&Venus conjunct Saturn is doing it's things. But My Venus opposite his Uranus(although it's 10 degrees) is another worrisome aspect, it can impact similar to cancer moon sq arise moon. IP: Logged |
kikoman Knowflake Posts: 33 From: Registered: Apr 2024
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posted May 11, 2024 12:37 PM
quote: Originally posted by angryant2021: Your moons are both under the "personal" signs and same modality. This can get along better than cancer moon and pisces moon, where cancer wants love focused on "I" and pisces loves everyone. A square aspect isn't a bad thing.
This is a very interesting point and I relate to that! "I" vs "people" wondering what would be the personal signs and non-personal signs? Libra moon & venus are probably non-personal too. I like Pieces Moon tho my 7th house is in Pisces. IP: Logged |
Hikaru29 Knowflake Posts: 3869 From: Asia Registered: Nov 2018
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posted May 12, 2024 03:13 PM
quote: Originally posted by kikoman: Here is our composite https://i.imgur.com/9PpGUjl.jpeg The Pluto opposite Moon on ASC and DC is very noticeable there...I agree with you that we have a somewhat balanced chart because of his earth Mars & Mercury and my fire Mars & Venus making harmonious aspects. I am 12 years older than him so his Sun&Venus conjunct Saturn is doing it's things. But My Venus opposite his Uranus(although it's 10 degrees) is another worrisome aspect, it can impact similar to cancer moon sq arise moon.
Yes, and composite Moon is conjunct Vertex forming a grand trine with Mars/Uranus/Neptune/Vesta. Looks like an emotional and devoted relationship that feels fated. I don’t quite like composite Sun in 8H though and it’s quincunx Saturn. 8H isn’t quite a happy placement for Sun… there’s usually some deep psychological things involved and if one person isn’t ready for it then there could be lying n manipulation. Saturn hard aspects to Sun often indicates difficulties in a relationship. It doesn’t make it impossible, just that there will be issues you need to work out before full commitment. IP: Logged |
kikoman Knowflake Posts: 33 From: Registered: Apr 2024
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posted May 12, 2024 05:19 PM
quote: Originally posted by Hikaru29: Yes, and composite Moon is conjunct Vertex forming a grand trine with Mars/Uranus/Neptune/Vesta. Looks like an emotional and devoted relationship that feels fated. I don’t quite like composite Sun in 8H though and it’s quincunx Saturn. 8H isn’t quite a happy placement for Sun… there’s usually some deep psychological things involved and if one person isn’t ready for it then there could be lying n manipulation. Saturn hard aspects to Sun often indicates difficulties in a relationship. It doesn’t make it impossible, just that there will be issues you need to work out before full commitment.
Hey Hikaru, thx so much for your insight. your observation seems experienced and sharp. Never really considered quincunx before, does it matter more in synastry? I've been single for a while but met him quiet randomly out of nowhere as Saturn started transiting my 7th house - and had an instant & intense attraction from the beginning despite our difference in age and personality. We have Psyche conjunct Eros and Black Moon Lilith conjunct Mars and Mercury in synastry - I am learning that this can indicate intense attraction/obsession from first sight. Also, we have Pluto square ASC in synastry both ways, Pluto hard aspect with Mercury in both ways. My sun conjunct his Mars in 8th house. When I saw composite Pluto conjunct ASC, that was the cherry on top - Very Plutonian aspects everywhere in synastry & Composite, yes it's palpable that we have intense feelings for each other but it's been so puzzling because we are very different people in the core! I've never met anyone so verbally love-bombing in my life and we have amazing sexual chemistry that is only getting better with time But his attitude has been not so consistent, he pours love for a period then he suddenly disappears for a period cuz he travels and works intensely and is bad at communication while he is busy, he confest he has mild ADHD symptoms. At first, it was truly a rollercoaster emotionally and I held it back inside but so after some time, I expressed my need for a stable relationship, he said he loved me but a partnership was a different thing for him and he needed to think about it... We are dating each other like a regular couple - doing social activities together and sleeping together but we are not officially together. He treats me very well and is very sweet to me but his life doesn't seem stable, considering his age (27yrs old) that might be normal but compared to my life (I am 38 yrs old) it's pretty chaotic for sure. I am slowly realizing that he might not be ready and able to give me the emotional security that I am looking for. However, he seems to understand where my transformation should happen which I've been craving for a long time. he brings immense creative energy and focus in me - I already have changed quite a bit of my daily routine through his influence. It's hard for me to just let him go since he does give me a sense of positive growth and change. Part of me is scared of the consequence of the pain that often comes with a Plutonian/8th house relationship, I can intuitively already sense it, and seems like our charts are indicating more pain on my side (My cancer moon vs aries moon) but wonder if this is worth experiencing in order to initiate my own transformation and growth... This is a bit of a stretch from Moon Square Moon, sorry if this is a lot but you seem to understand synastry in-depth and I wanted to share it with you for the context. IP: Logged |
angryant2021 Knowflake Posts: 181 From: Registered: Feb 2021
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posted May 13, 2024 03:08 AM
quote: Originally posted by kikoman: This is a very interesting point and I relate to that! "I" vs "people" wondering what would be the personal signs and non-personal signs? Libra moon & venus are probably non-personal too. I like Pieces Moon tho my 7th house is in Pisces.
Leo to Scorpio are social/interpersonal signs. Sagittarius to Pisces are transpersonal signs.
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Hikaru29 Knowflake Posts: 3869 From: Asia Registered: Nov 2018
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posted May 14, 2024 02:41 AM
Thanks for sharing your personal story. It helps a lot in deciphering the charts. A lot of times attraction happens between people who are very different. My guy is very different from the other guys I’ve dated before. We also met randomly out of the blue. He was shy, quiet and polite but very intense.. he has Moon-Pluto-NN conjunction in natal. I could see it in his eyes when we first met. It was also instant attraction between us and I kept looking away as I couldn’t withstand the attraction. My friend said my eyes literally sparkled lol. Anyway your Jupiter conjuncts his ASC and it’s the ruler of your IC and co-ruler of your DSC. This shows him helping you to grow and find new opportunities. There’s a lot of positivity here. You’ve a ton of planets falling in each others’ 1-5-7-8 houses so attraction is strong no doubt. His NN is in Virgo where your ASC, Sun and chart ruler are. While they don’t conjunct but it still indicates the same soul path and development which can create strong attachment. It will help his growth to learn your Virgo ways even though he may resist it at first. IME Nodes contact can be felt just by being in the same sign. I’ve NN, Moon and DSC in Sagittarius and I’ve crossed paths with so many people with Sagittarius Sun/Moon/Asc. When you said his life isn’t stable do you mean he travels a lot or is he not ready for a relationship due to other reasons? Since you’re still in the early stage of relationship, I think don’t worry too much and see how it goes… though I would give it a time frame as there are some people who just need more time while others who will never be ready. IP: Logged |
kikoman Knowflake Posts: 33 From: Registered: Apr 2024
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posted May 14, 2024 03:17 PM
quote: Originally posted by Hikaru29: Thanks for sharing your personal story. It helps a lot in deciphering the charts. A lot of times attraction happens between people who are very different. My guy is very different from the other guys I’ve dated before. We also met randomly out of the blue. He was shy, quiet and polite but very intense.. he has Moon-Pluto-NN conjunction in natal. I could see it in his eyes when we first met. It was also instant attraction between us and I kept looking away as I couldn’t withstand the attraction. My friend said my eyes literally sparkled lol. Anyway your Jupiter conjuncts his ASC and it’s the ruler of your IC and co-ruler of your DSC. This shows him helping you to grow and find new opportunities. There’s a lot of positivity here. You’ve a ton of planets falling in each others’ 1-5-7-8 houses so attraction is strong no doubt. His NN is in Virgo where your ASC, Sun and chart ruler are. While they don’t conjunct but it still indicates the same soul path and development which can create strong attachment. It will help his growth to learn your Virgo ways even though he may resist it at first. IME Nodes contact can be felt just by being in the same sign. I’ve NN, Moon and DSC in Sagittarius and I’ve crossed paths with so many people with Sagittarius Sun/Moon/Asc. When you said his life isn’t stable do you mean he travels a lot or is he not ready for a relationship due to other reasons? Since you’re still in the early stage of relationship, I think don’t worry too much and see how it goes… though I would give it a time frame as there are some people who just need more time while others who will never be ready.
Oh wow that's a very intense moon, my best friend also has a Moon conjunct Pluto in Scorpio(!), Her intense emotional depth works well with my cancer moon trine pluto we both loyal af but we had a big fight one time after 10yrs of friendship and realized that Moon/pluto energy gets really scary in those moments... Moon/pluto can destroy you psychologically, I've seen many people having a meltdown/traumatized by her and not being able to recover for a few years. We are good now though, although I am not sure if she will ever forgive/forget the fight completely. What's your moon and any significant aspect to your guy's moon/pluto? Thx for your positive observation on our chart! I've never looked at my Jupiter in that way but indeed it holds significance since that's my IC/DC ruler! Also, I'm recently learning the power of the house overlay in synastry, most of my long-term relationships had 5,7,8th house overlays. our chart feels definitely fated in many ways with a lot of Pluto energy. He seems not ready for a relationship because his priority is in work in a way that he wants to pour all his time and passion into it - his orientation is mainly "I" there is no "US".(Typical Aries huh) I have a strong work ethic too but I want to think about growing with someone together. He is thinking of moving to different countries for some years in order to have more experience which I can understand but hard to picture my future when he just thinks about himself only. He has Uranus in the 1st house conjunct Jupiter, the independent energy is very noticeable as I get to know him, he hates codependency. I have Uranus square sun/asc natally too grew up pretty independently but this energy softened a bit as I got older. His hot and cold attitude gave me a hard time in the beginning but feel much better learning about his aries tendency. Dating someone who is pre-Saturn return (he is 27 yrs old)might not be the most wise path to walk in. I’ve been pondering this but you are right it's still very early and I need to just let the relationship unfold by itself a bit longer and see. I'm planning to give 2 more months before any decision. IP: Logged |
Hikaru29 Knowflake Posts: 3869 From: Asia Registered: Nov 2018
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posted May 15, 2024 01:16 AM
^ And with NN in the conjunction which makes his Moon a bit unstable, like he would appear ok the whole evening and then suddenly gets very upset with me because he has been holding it in the whole night. He’s a Libra Moon btw. My Sagittarius Moon cannot understand this approach as I’m pretty straightforward so if I’m upset at something I almost immediately let him know. But in many ways we comfort each other. We like to tell each other things… he will psycho-analyse everything for me (lol) while I’ll be protective and speak up for him. His Moon/Pluto/NN forms a bucket with my Moon-Venus-Neptune and this shows a very romantic and spiritual connection. His Moon/Pluto also widely conjunct my Pluto, opposes my Jupiter/Chiron and squares my Saturn. My Moon also trines his Saturn so that’s a DW. It shows a deep emotional bond built over time though not necessarily easy due to the square. Generally I find Scorpio Moon hard to deal with and wow with Pluto added to it. What did your friend do to make people so traumatised? If your guy is planning to move to a different country then I get why he’s reluctant to commit, and he can’t exactly ask you to move with him as your relationship is too early for such conversation. Perhaps you also need to think about what you want… say if he moves away, are you ready to drop everything you have and relocate with him? He will mature up and change once he has his Saturn return and tSaturn is gonna conjunct his planets in the 2nd house which is all about values and possessions. Curious did he grow up having to deal with money issues at an early age or constantly felt that he didn't have enough? Can’t say for sure which path this transit is gonna lead him in terms of a relationship with you. It depends on your situation then. In fact, he’s also gonna have his reverse nodal return soon and that usually signifies a significant change to his life path which may be obvious or experienced internally. IP: Logged |
kikoman Knowflake Posts: 33 From: Registered: Apr 2024
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posted May 15, 2024 05:25 PM
I always envy people who have NN conjunct personal planets natally, they seem to find their soul path at an earlier age and go-getter mentality. He must have some karmic bond with women figures(moon) in his life. You and his moon aspects sound deep and solid, def your criticism to him is something to watch out for but I think Saturn hard aspect is possible to deal with over time, I personally feel that Uranus and Mars hard aspects are rly tough to overcome. When Scorpio Moon conj Pluto feels cheated, lied to, or jealous, their emotion is almost out of control and all the teeth and claws come out for revenge. My friend knew exactly what to say to break people down and they disappeared from the public for a while. She is also an excellent investigator and living lie detector. My guy grew up in a rich family but it seems like He hasn't received money from his parents since college and has been financially independent. He is def having some money managing issues lately since the recent Aries Eclipse, which was in conj his sun+venus+saturn in 2nd house. Astrology is wildly literal sometimes. But I was wondering if he would have a somewhat easier Saturn return, cuz he only has the conjunction aspect to Saturn and that's easier than square or opposite. I've seen people having major breakthroughs during Saturn return when they don’t have hard aspects to Saturn, although it's never easy. I feel that he is definitely my Saturn lesson because we met as Saturn entered my 7th house. Some people say Saturn in 7H transits brings long-lasting relationships but Saturn never brings positive experiences easily, you gotta work hard... IP: Logged |
Hikaru29 Knowflake Posts: 3869 From: Asia Registered: Nov 2018
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posted May 16, 2024 12:25 AM
NN experience may not be an easy one either. With Moon it means that one has to push their emotional comfort zone in order to move forward in the right direction of your soul path. I noticed my guy can indulge too much like he’ll throw himself in then be completely withdrawn because he suddenly fears the experience. I also have NN conjunct my descendant. Relationships have been a big lesson for me.Yes, Saturn isn’t easy especially if you’ve the hard aspects. I asked about his financial situation as I see his Saturn in 2nd house. I’ve this placement too and I read that the native tend to have strong focus on finances and that’s because when they were younger, they learned that being financially sound is very important. This is likely because they’ve been through tough times. Transit experiences are different for all of us. For me I always start a serious relationship when Jupiter transits my 1-7 axis, and Jupiter rules my 7H. IP: Logged |
heyrey Newflake Posts: 18 From: Registered: Jun 2023
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posted May 22, 2024 02:06 AM
My ex of 7 years had an Aries Moon and I, a Cancer Moon. I think so highly of him - he's an amazing human being - but we were not emotionally compatible. We just didn't understand one another's instinctive reactions, and boy we had some terrific fights. As much as we loved each other, it was chafing and discordant. I think two people who can tolerate that feeling and have the stamina to calmly untangle every misunderstanding could get through it. I just prefer not to have so many misunderstandings in the first place!My partner now has his Taurus Moon sextile to my Cancer Moon. Good lord, it feels so harmonious and soothing. We simply don't get on one another's nerves, and issues blow over way before they can build enough heat to become an argument. Too many flowing aspects in synastry makes a relationship boring, but I'd argue the Moon is the one planet that is better off with primarily harmonious aspects to it. IP: Logged |
kikoman Knowflake Posts: 33 From: Registered: Apr 2024
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posted May 22, 2024 06:21 PM
Still cool to hear that you guys were together for 7 years though, what were the most binding aspects against that Aries moon square Cancer moon? I also concluded that this Aries guy I am dating is not for the long term but might stay with him to initiate my transformation... I am already feeling pretty misunderstood/not understanding him though, it's hard! but I think our binding aspects are good house overlays in 1,5,7,8th houses & many pluto aspects. IP: Logged | |