posted May 22, 2014 03:58 AM            

It was really scary and surprising how quickly we bonded. His north node is on my sun, my north node on his neptune (although that's more generational than the node/my sun aspect).

I think our Davidson chart is even more accurate, because it has Sun conjunct Moon, both also conjuncting pluto in Scorpio (in the middle of the sun/moon). Obviously, we've grown a lot from knowing each other. What's maddening is WE CAN'T LET GO.

There's problems around the relationship, and we try to be realistic and detach from one another only to have him or myself establish contact again shortly after. It's always up and down, and emotionally so addictive. Impossible to move on from. Like, you can know it's better to move on, but they are on your mind 24/7. You both know you will talk again regardless. Also, you know that no matter what, you will always have a deep love and protective feeling for the other person that will never leave. It's like you understand their soul.

How can we stop the obsessive attachment and emotional bond? It's deeper than I can accurately put into words.

Anyone have stories/experience/advice? I just feel like I can't breathe and although we love each other I wish we never met, because it's so good but so bad. Ugh.

posted May 22, 2014 02:57 PM            

You know playing games is quite common in Scorpionic relationships. Maybe this push/pull thing is the way you're building up intimacy ?

Without seeing the sysnastry chart it is not possible to speak in astro language. All I can say try to hear what your gut instincts are saying about him ? Also ask yourself how much more time you can invest in this relationship. Time is precious and limited in our lives. Do you have enough time to live a relationship that you believe won't work ?

posted May 22, 2014 03:03 PM            

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I already know this relationship is heavily karmic and has some kind of purpose.

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The purpose is to forget the karma BS and do your best to move on.

posted May 22, 2014 03:09 PM            

Perhaps you two can stay together but make the decision to see each other less frequently but not for the purpose of terminating the relationship but for the purpose of giving each other space to meditate and reflect on the patterns of interacting and how each of you can contribute to improving things and then each do your part...with time the work that you put in the relationship to make it work will have rewards..

posted May 22, 2014 04:10 PM            

What's the truly complicating factor?

Are you at a distance?
Involved with other people?
You don't want a relationship?

Ask yourself what this is trying to make you confront within yourself, and then begin healing. Because, no, they won't go until you do. But you also won't let them.

You mentioned the Davison. What of the composite? Same thing? SUN-PLUTO-MOON? That's quite powerful, that one. Soul-shattering.

posted May 22, 2014 05:41 PM            

Yes, we live away from each other. We met when he was traveling here, on his last day. We are both practical in understanding how hard it would be to actually try this long-term. Realistically it doesn't make sense and we both see the emotional attachment and jealous/possessive traits we bring out in each other, and that doesn't really bode well for sanity when two people aren't living in the same vicinity.

There's just so much underlying it. We can fight or feel angry but it's more just at the situation and how the attachment can only go so far. So then, we get in the cycle of "how long can we keep doing this?", and try breaking. That barely lasts. It's never over.

Sis -- I definitely see what you mean about the playing games. But the thing is, the moon/sun/pluto thing with us is because we really know everything about each other and don't feel we need to hide anything like we might with other people.

So it's really honest. I think where the game playing thing might come in is more just the amount of sexual/emotional attraction. You feel possessive or want them so every once in a while you push their buttons the way you know they like. So yeah, I agree with the intimacy angle you mentioned.

My gut instincts are he is a good person. I mean, regardless of the turmoil and even if we fight, I never truly hate him or feel like he did something bad. We have a deep understanding of why we behave in certain ways and there's always a protective/nurturing thing there beyond anything else.

Amelia -- Yeah, I was thinking if we could do the "talk to eachother less frequently" but still keep in touch... That just feels impossible, though... haha. That's kind of the whole problem we constantly deal with.

I'm so cappy -- I can agree that could be partly the lesson here, but I also know that since our meeting I have matured and understood myself SO much more. Whatever we have really has helped me in my own thought processing/self destructive habits I needed to recognize and break.

The distance is just brutal. Can you imagine the sun/pluto/moon thing in a couple that can't be together?? So much jealousy and obsession. It's just not conducive to that kind of intensity. But obviously it keeps on going.

posted May 22, 2014 07:13 PM            

Come on! you guys are into each other.....

figure it out....work it out....dont end it but dont have something official yet either..

posted May 22, 2014 11:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
This shall pass, too.
We all have been there at one or another point of our lives. You will get over it eventually, because obviously the relationship is not healthy and it will deteriorate and disintegrate when enough is enough.
There is no cure for it at its present stage. You will have to go thru all steps until the end, and then when it's darkest, comes the light, the liberation. Sweet welcoming relief.
Hang in there, sister.

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You do have a point too....there is something about pluto karma that the day you truly just let go of this person that produces this obsession and learn to love that person without the obsession and caring about the outcome of been together or not together, that is extremely liberating...

Its a very powerful experience and very liberating....Its the gift of not allowing others to have control over your well being.

I have been reflecting a lot lately about the role of uranus and pluto in the process of falling in love and in relationships...

and this is just something I am exploring but I think that maybe uranus hooks you in, makes you feel high, it draws you in..its instant attraction and high, its why you pick up on each other and then pluto comes in and sucks you in further by creating an unbreakable bond and if you are not familiar with this energy you can become obsessed and then uranus comes in and says wait you are getting too attached and too obsessed and bamb! "break up out of the blue," The person comes into your life rocks your world, completely transforms you and then its all gone like a hurricane that passed by and you don't know what hit you...

posted May 23, 2014 12:34 AM            

Uranus - makes the two people stick out from the crowd and ensures the two people notice each other and get together like "who is that???!!!!!!!who are you? I am very intrigued, there is something about you"....

Neptune- is like "lets date and put our best selves forward" "lets put each other up in a pedestal and continue this high started by Uranus...

Pluto- is like "I am ready for sex and taking all this to a deeper level and possibly commit and develop an unbreakable bond that even if this does not work out you will always remember me" Pluto rules sex that bonds as oppose to Uranus that can be about one night stands.

posted May 24, 2014 07:53 PM            

There's problems around the relationship, and we try to be realistic and detach from one another only to have him or myself establish contact again shortly after. It's always up and down, and emotionally so addictive. Impossible to move on from. Like, you can know it's better to move on, but they are on your mind 24/7. You both know you will talk again regardless. Also, you know that no matter what, you will always have a deep love and protective feeling for the other person that will never leave. It's like you understand their soul.

And when you said "It's never over."
I literally just wrote those words to someone else, only I said: Just like Jeff Buckley said, it's never over."

posted May 25, 2014 04:21 PM            

but