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Hikaru29
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posted September 29, 2019 03:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
His sig (Moon) is applying square to my sig (Saturn) and conjunct my co-sig (Venus). Square representing difficulties in contacting me? Moon is exalting Saturn and in Venus' domicile so it seems he's missing me or desiring to contact? And he will contact soon?

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posted September 29, 2019 06:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vansio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A square means activity, because its an asset of tension. Your sig is in aspect to the nodes, so this effect, arrival/departure is entirely outside of your control. I don't think Venus is your co-sig in this case because it is not in the 1st house (yours). The planet is couldpossibly a pleasant female *acquaintance* in his third house surroundings that he is influenced with (a sister?). He's in your 9th house, meaning far-far-away - if theres not a physical distance between you (overseas), then its possibly metaphysical. Your placement in the 12th house means you are literally in the depths of self-reflection, its proximity to the ASC speaks to me that you're interested in yourself. (Not a bad thing! I've read its actually quite good to be in your own house in horary relationship questions, rather than fawning over your personal power to the 7th house. this question/matter is self-serving -good for you if you can reflect on how). The moon does not want to be in Capricorn's domain, but you want to be with him.

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posted September 29, 2019 10:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Saille     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I thought no, based on the fact that the the sign of the 7th house (moon) was in the 9th, too far away from the ASC..you.

The closer the ruler of the 7th house house to to the left of the Asc..the answer is yes...and the to the right no.

but with Saturn as the ruler of the ASC...there may just be a delay, especially ruling its own planet. Seeing how there's tons of planets in the 9/10..squaring you, maybe he's just occupied?

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posted September 30, 2019 02:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by vansio:
A square means activity, because its an asset of tension. Your sig is in aspect to the nodes, so this effect, arrival/departure is entirely outside of your control. I don't think Venus is your co-sig in this case because it is not in the 1st house (yours). The planet is couldpossibly a pleasant female *acquaintance* in his third house surroundings that he is influenced with (a sister?). He's in your 9th house, meaning far-far-away - if theres not a physical distance between you (overseas), then its possibly metaphysical. Your placement in the 12th house means you are literally in the depths of self-reflection, its proximity to the ASC speaks to me that you're interested in yourself. (Not a bad thing! I've read its actually quite good to be in your own house in horary relationship questions, rather than fawning over your personal power to the 7th house. this question/matter is self-serving -good for you if you can reflect on how). The moon does not want to be in Capricorn's domain, but you want to be with him.

You're right that he's far away now... overseas, and he's with his parents and brother.

I noticed you read receptions using Lilly's method, but I read it using Frawley's method so in this case, Moon receives Saturn favourable. Why does Venus has to be in 1st house to be me? What I read is Venus is always the female's co-sig in r/s Horary unless there's a reason for it to signify someone else.

So in this case do you see contact while he's away? Moon applies square to Saturn which I read is a 'yes' indicator with positive reception from either sig. Furthermore, Moon is the faster moving planet.

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posted September 30, 2019 02:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Saille:
I thought no, based on the fact that the the sign of the 7th house (moon) was in the 9th, too far away from the ASC..you.

The closer the ruler of the 7th house house to to the left of the Asc..the answer is yes...and the to the right no.


Hmm... this is the first time I hear of planets distance being indicators of yes/no. Interesting.

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but with Saturn as the ruler of the ASC...there may just be a delay, especially ruling its own planet. Seeing how there's tons of planets in the 9/10..squaring you, maybe he's just occupied?

I believe he's preoccupied as he's bringing his parents/brother on a holiday, acting as their guide. Just wonder why he hasn't text to say hello. 🤷

Anyway someone on another forum said he will contact but there may be tension/delay, so we'll see... thanks.

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Saille
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posted September 30, 2019 04:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Saille     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes,

I don't know if planets distance being indicators of yes/no is still a factor, but I found it on youtube, the guy seems a little off...but I've tested it with some charts with success

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RoZCTEVV2M&t=229s

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posted September 30, 2019 05:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kirki     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think he ll contact very soon...seems he likes you but you dont like him or at this point you care only for yourself...

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posted September 30, 2019 11:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ Thanks, kirki. You're right as he just contacted me.

I do like him but at the point of creating the chart, I was quite upset about not hearing from him.

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posted September 30, 2019 03:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kirki     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's good that you update...good that he called too...

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posted October 01, 2019 01:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Saille     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi H,

I was able to post the chart, would you be able to take a look at it?

Thanks

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posted October 02, 2019 01:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vansio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fantastic! Can you tell us what you make of the reception from him being in the sign of your exaltion?

(I cast a Leo Rising horary recently, with the applying square. His sig in my 6th house and I’m also overseas so, your and I charts are similar when turned.)

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posted October 02, 2019 01:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by vansio:
Fantastic! Can you tell us what you make of the reception from him being in the sign of your exaltion?

(I cast a Leo Rising horary recently, with the applying square. His sig in my 6th house and I’m also overseas so, your and I charts are similar when turned.)


I use John Frawley's method for receptions as I find it more accurate so far.

Moon in Libra exalting Saturn so it means Moon loves/likes Saturn. Depending on the qn, it may also mean Moon thinks positively of Saturn, or in my case, that he misses me.

Reality: he contacted me and also said he's looking forward to seeing me.

The square in this case may mean that he couldn't contact me earlier.

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posted October 02, 2019 08:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vansio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting! I can agree with what you say of the planet in Libra as the Sun myself, loving Saturn, but, additionally, how do you as Saturn in your 12th feel about the overall receptions now that the horary has played out? What I can say about myself in the 3rd house: pretty engrossed in a beautiful environment; day-to-day satisfaction.

A horary astrologer once told me that a cold read of someone’s sig in your own 8th house is you being obsessed with / consumed by them, and them wanting to energetically punish you (hold you hostage) for what goes on between you - so I am trying to intuitively get a feel of these dynamics in other houses

I’ve been studying across the Internet receptions; mostly coming across the guest/host paradigm for interpretation. That the moon is in the castle (versus a simple home) of Saturn, and Saturn has to serve or attend to the Moon as if it’s their very own prized guest; the Moon in this sign representing Saturn’s own ideal temperament, so their behavior is complimentary. I wonder if Saturn wishes they were “where” the moon is, too.

In my horary, there is the element of my sig residing in the sign of its fall, rather than yours with him as mixed reception. In my case, I have little will to act even though I’m applying. How much do you love the moon for being in Libra in this case? Do you think the way the Moon has interacted with you regarding the matter of this contact was extra-special (cautionary, considerate) because of where you yourself temperamentally are residing in their sense of natural reception? What does Frawley say about the planet’s admittance to *receiving* the exaltion, or how is your sign not to his benefit? Following Frawley’s logic, you as Capricorn do not like your boyfriend (don’t trust him) even though he loves you as Libra?? Not to mention, traditionally Saturn is enemies with the Moon while the Moon has no enemies, so can you speak a bit about the significance of your sig and sign in this matter since it was positive? I feel like frawleys way of interpreting reception is hard to consolidate here (makes the dignity of the moon seem one-sided compared to your detriment - unless we hear that you secretly despise/dislike/resent your boyfriend if he’s to love you?) sorry to put it this way for an example just wanting to grasp receptions best and clearly

With that said, the way I interpet the Moons dignified application to a planet within its detriment: I have a natal Moon in Capricorn and know I go A.B.C.D. regarding my behavior, emotions, and others so I could imagine how he behaved (Libra) and also what he had to consider about you (Capricorn) up-to that moment to complete the aspect.

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posted October 03, 2019 01:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hope I can explain this well.

I personally think that we shouldn't read Horary receptions in a rigid manner, i.e. Domicile = love, Detriment = hate. It depends on context. In my case, I know that the quesited loves me. What I wanna know is if he will contact me soon, so the positive reception shows his willingness/desire to do so.

Saturn (me) doesn't "like" Moon which of course is not true. I love him. But rather I was upset/resentful that he hasn't contacted me since he went away. I refused to initiate contact so it explains why my sig is in the 12th house (repressed). When he eventually contacted me, I was thrilled.

I casted another horary before and my qn was: "Does he love me?". I was also Saturn while he was Moon in Capricorn. The reception showed that he loved me but his feeling was hidden (in 12th house although moving to the 1st house soon). I read it as he loved me and he would confess soon. And he did. When your sig is exalting another planet but in your own detriment, it means you feel vulnerable or is in a vulnerable/powerless/helpless position. In this case, his love made him feel vulnerable. Did Saturn resent Moon? At the time I casted the horary, yes, because I thought he was playing with my feelings.

It's interesting how I casted 2 Horaries with me as Saturn. It may also be showing that I haven't been considering his feelings as much as I ought to.

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posted October 04, 2019 06:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vansio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks. Yeah I’ve been wanting to learn more about what it means to be particular planets in horary charts. From what I spoke with my professional horary friend is that Saturns love is conditional, by domain reception Saturn cares for the other, the applying planets in its own fall/detriment means that the relationship isn’t currently healthy for them as an individual

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