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Hikaru29
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posted November 30, 2019 07:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My friend's bf unintentionally said something which makes her wonder how much he really loves her and she got very sad and they had a tiff. Now she's thinking if his feeling for her isn't strong, they'll surely break up. Will they?

Venus in Capricorn is exalting Mars so my interpretation is 'Yes, he does love her'.

I also think they won't break up as:
1) Moon is void of course = nothing will happen
2) Venus and Mars applying sextile

What do you think?


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posted November 30, 2019 11:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pereya     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
My friend's bf unintentionally said something which makes her wonder how much he really loves her and she got very sad and they had a tiff. Now she's thinking if his feeling for her isn't strong, they'll surely break up. Will they?

Venus in Capricorn is exalting Mars so my interpretation is 'Yes, he does love her'.

I also think they won't break up as:
1) Moon is void of course = nothing will happen
2) Venus and Mars applying sextile

What do you think?


They are likely to break up. Uranus in the 1st house is opposite Mars in the 7th house. Both make aspects to North Node. Saturn in Zenith doesn't look favorable either. There's a trine Uranus-Venus = change in the relationship for the better but the question is: what's better for her? to stay with him or leave him? Look at the synastry

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posted December 01, 2019 12:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't look at outer planets in Horary unless they're sitting on an angle. Saturn rules his 5th house of romance so I don't totally see it as malefic here. I thought Moon void of course indicates nothing will happen?

By the way, he said he doesn't wanna leave her. As for her, she's on the fence about it as she still feels wounded by what he said.

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There's a trine Uranus-Venus = change in the relationship for the better but the question is: what's better for her? to stay with him or leave him?

If the relationship changes for the better, why should she leave him? They're otherwise loving.

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posted December 01, 2019 08:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pereya     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
I don't look at outer planets in Horary unless they're sitting on an angle. Saturn rules his 5th house of romance so I don't totally see it as malefic here. I thought Moon void of course indicates nothing will happen?

By the way, he said he doesn't wanna leave her. As for her, she's on the fence about it as she still feels wounded by what he said.

If the relationship changes for the better, why should she leave him? They're otherwise loving.


If outer planets aspect major axis (Mc-Ic, Asc-Dsc, Vx-aVx) their energy gets involved in the situation. I don't ignore it.

And it's not about the relationship getting better. It's about the situation (or the flow of life as those planets aspect nodes too) getting better.

Saturn in Mc - your friend needs to take a closer look at her bf, as it's time for her to become a little wiser. She maybe needs to learn who he really is, what capable of and if she is ready to accept the way he is.

The outcome depends more on her own decision than on stars' influence. The stars just gave her the situation...

Well, that's my interpretation

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Hikaru29
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posted December 01, 2019 09:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ But Uranus isn't aspecting Nodes or angles. Thanks for your help anyway.

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Saille
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posted December 02, 2019 03:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Saille     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would yes there is an indication of a break up.. Venus in capricorn is neither detriment/but also not exalted. With jupiter next to venus focus on relationship is not there.

There's a quick trick as well. If the Descendants ruler near closer to the Asc, then yes, but further no.

Example if Venus was in Libra, although exlated, it shows the partner is thinking more of themselves than anything else.

With Mars near the Dec, clearly the Asc is thinking of the Dec more .

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posted December 02, 2019 06:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm.. They didn't break up. They've reconciled.

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posted December 02, 2019 01:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Saille     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Were you the querent or was your friend the querent?
This doesn't make sense. They broke up already when you asked the questioned and then reconciled?

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posted December 04, 2019 10:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Saille:
Were you the querent or was your friend the querent?
This doesn't make sense. They broke up already when you asked the questioned and then reconciled?


My friend is the querent. I only helped her to post the chart. I said they had a tiff. They reconciled from the quarrel. Why doesn't that make sense?

Venus in Capricorn is in its own Triplicity btw. That's a relatively strong dignity. Anyway, it's not realistic to expect significators to always be in domicile/exaltation for a positive answer. Significator being in its own domicile can also mean the person is in a strong position and/or in control of the situation (the upper hand). I've had a chart where L7 was Moon in Capricorn applying conjunct to L1 Saturn in Capricorn. I had a positive outcome in reality. He came to me...he won me back. I had the upper hand.

I don't understand what you mean by "With jupiter next to venus focus on relationship is not there". Isn't Jupiter a benefic? I also don't understand your method of judging a yes/no based on how far or near the DSC ruler is to the ASC. Isn't yes/no judged by applying aspects and/or receptions depending on the query?

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Saille
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posted December 05, 2019 02:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Saille     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
My friend is the querent. I only helped her to post the chart. I said they had a tiff. They reconciled from the quarrel. Why doesn't that make sense?

Venus in Capricorn is in its own Triplicity btw. That's a relatively strong dignity. Anyway, it's not realistic to expect significators to always be in domicile/exaltation for a positive answer. Significator being in its own domicile can also mean the person is in a strong position and/or in control of the situation (the upper hand). I've had a chart where L7 was Moon in Capricorn applying conjunct to L1 Saturn in Capricorn. I had a positive outcome in reality. He came to me...he won me back. I had the upper hand.

I don't understand what you mean by "With jupiter next to venus focus on relationship is not there". Isn't Jupiter a benefic? I also don't understand your method of judging a yes/no based on how far or near the DSC ruler is to the ASC. Isn't yes/no judged by applying aspects and/or receptions depending on the query?



Do you mean your friend won? Because I didnt believe that it was a friend, but you which is totally fine...I know people tend to respond more if the chart is being done for someone else other than someone on the forum asking for themselves.

Yes of course applying aspect and/or receptions is also an options.

Since a planet in its own sign is exalted..example Jupiter in Sag...then the person is thinking/focused on themselves more. The further away in relationship questions then their focus is on the subject...specifically 9 house issues.

In regards to Jupiter/Venus I was referring to the fact that your focus was focused on something else than the partner., that the question more about you, than them.

I have no issues with you two getting back together...just one other person came to the same conclusion as me, using different methods is all. Just observations..no ill intent.

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Hikaru29
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posted December 05, 2019 11:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Saille:
Do you mean your friend won? Because I didnt believe that it was a friend, but you which is totally fine...I know people tend to respond more if the chart is being done for someone else other than someone on the forum asking for themselves.

I'm lost here. Who won? I was citing an e.g. on receptions of a previous chart I did for myself. This chart is my friend's. I don't understand your persistence and assumption on this.

Anyway, like I said they didn't break up. So case closed.

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Saille
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posted December 06, 2019 02:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Saille     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"He came to me...he won me back. I had the upper hand."
The fact that you think he came back and you won shows where your thoughts really are...but ok.

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