posted November 30, 2012 09:35 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Yeah, it's sooo true secondary houses can be so illuminating. Myself I've got a Gemini Dsc with Jupiter in the 7th house. I love Mercury and Jupiter/Sagittarius energy in others. ...

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Did you have a chance to grab the charts you asked for so I can remove the links?

As for secondary houses, I think that intercepted Sagittarius in the 5th in this case probably also adds to why there's been some latent attraction to people with something around 22-24 Aries. 23 Scorpio comes in through strong reactions to the Antiscia DC as well as Pluto as the 5th house ruler for usual attractions to strong Scorpios.

posted December 01, 2012 01:30 AM            

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Originally posted by Keela:
Did you have a chance to grab the charts you asked for so I can remove the links?

As for secondary houses, I think that intercepted Sagittarius in the 5th in this case probably also adds to why there's been some latent attraction to people with something around 22-24 Aries. 23 Scorpio comes in through strong reactions to the Antiscia DC as well as Pluto as the 5th house ruler for usual attractions to strong Scorpios.

22-23 Aquarius has likewise featured surprisingly much, but if Jupiter has additional influence maybe its 24 Aries position plays in as well. I mention Antiscia so much in this case because the natal chart has Moon exactly Antiscia Uranus, Venus 1 Antiscia Jupiter and Saturn Antiscia at 2 Gemini so within two degrees of Mars.

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Hi,

Yes, I took a look at the chart and wrote down the relevant info. So you can take it down if you want.

posted December 01, 2012 06:41 AM            

Taking a fresh look at things should always help, the way I completely blanked out on the Libra Pluto trine both DCs from her side until yesterday, too. Sometimes it's the more obvious things you forget. I guess the 11th (7/8th) ruler Venus on her side 5' inconjunct the DC might also play in somewhere down the line.

posted December 07, 2012 12:30 PM            

Whenever you return to this thread, could you explain your views on considering the diff. axes in synastry? What level of attraction results from--

--Example, woman's nodal axis conjunct the man's Vertex/Anti-Vertex (1 deg).

--Or the woman's Vertex/Anti-Vertex exactly conjunct the man's Asc/Desc.

--or the woman's IC/MC exactly parallel to the man's IC/MC.

Thanks.

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posted December 13, 2012 11:34 AM            

Also to add that I only later noticed that not only is it:

her 11th (secondary 7-8th) ruler Venus conj his 7/8th ruler Uranus

but there is also
her 7/8th ruler Uranus square his 11th (secondary 7-8th) ruler Mercury.

So that's another repeated contact. It's less smoothly vibing stuff but some contact both ways in any case.

posted December 13, 2012 10:34 PM            

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Originally posted by AriesKat:
omg thanx so much for all the jewels you dropped. very informative and concise.

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posted December 15, 2012 10:34 AM            

I gather that a first meeting report can be generated in the form of a natal chart - but that again presents its challenges for interpretation.

posted December 18, 2012 04:09 PM            

Thanks so much for all the information! It's very informative!

I have to admit I am still a bit confused in regards some of the compatibility aspects. As far as I can tell (from the synastry chart I included below) I seem to activate all of his 5th,7th, and 8th houses but I do not activate my partners 5th house unless you count the midheaven. I guess I am confused because he has been the one initiating ('romancing') everything...if that makes sense.
http://www.astro.com/tmpd/cj1ufilevnn9zV-u1354991948/astro_61gw_01_02_t_r.75371.13310.gif?16955

posted December 20, 2012 10:47 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Sorry Keela,

I've had a crazy couple of weeks and I haven't had a chance to get back to you, but I'll get back to you soon.

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posted January 21, 2013 07:46 AM            

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Originally posted by LionFish:
I can't begin to tell you how helpful I've found this thread! Looking at house rulers and aspects between them has been really revealing in some situations. I have a question though.

Uranus in synastry and composite charts can show instability either in feelings or the timing of the relationship itself. But what if both people's descendants and 8th houses are in Aquarius and so is the composite descendant/8th house..would our composite stellium of Venus, Sun, mercury, Chiron, and Jupiter opposite Uranus be a binding aspect in this instance?

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Hi LionFish,

I don’t usually specialize in composites but I’ll give it my best shot. Uranus strong in synastry and composites can refer to drastic ups and downs sometimes, but it can also relate to just being ‘different’, or out of the ordinary as a couple somehow. Are you familiar with a poster called YTA (YoursTruelyAlways)? He and his wife have an exact synastry Venus/Uranus conjunction in Virgo, and have been married for over 20 years according to him. They are a ‘different’ couple by most people’s standards. He is Asian, born in China, and she is White and from a southern states in the USA. My point is that Uranus isn’t always about separation and volatility. It can also be about something or someone simply being different and unique in a fascinating way. Uranus has a lot to do with intellectual and social stimulation as well.

If both of you have an Aqua Dsc then both of you are looking for something ‘Uranian’ in your relationships. So having Uranus strong in your composite is not necessarily a bad thing.

Another thing to think about is the aspects in the composite chart. Trines, sextiles, and conjunctions indicate stability and consistency. They are like glue. Squares indicate drama, challenge, difficulty, and excitement. They are necessary to promote growth and change, but too many of them could be exhausting and could lead to a separation. With oppositions (as in the case with your composite Uranus), there’s challenge, growth, and contrast, the same as with a square. Only an opposition is more civilized then a square. It’s about two different points of view coming together and negotiating a compromise, with a reasonable attitude. There’s give and take. A square is like a wild brawl with bottles flying, and an opposition is like friendly debate where people follow etiquette. How an opposition functions depends a lot on what planets are involved (actually ALL aspects depend a lot on what planets are involved!), Uranus opposite Mars or Saturn would be a lot more difficult then Uranus opposite Venus or Jupiter. Venus, Sun, Mercury, Chiron, and Jupiter are pretty easy to have opposite Uranus in comparison to Mars or Saturn. The Sun is connected with the ego however and could cause an occasional conflict between ego needs and social/intellectual concerns. Chiron opposite Uranus could indicate a tendency to analyze each others pain, or issues concerning hurt within the relationship. Mercury and Venus opposite Uranus are extremely stimulating and fun. The Uranus/Venus connection indicates an exciting romantic attraction. Mercury/Uranus and Jupiter/Uranus indicate lots of intellectual discussion, often about 'social issues', or 'weird' topics.

Relationships with oppositions require a willingness to compromise, and take turns, with regard to the planets are involved. For an ‘Opposition’ style relationship to be successful we must be willing to reach fair agreements together. Stubbornness, excessive pride, and a ‘My Way Or The Highway’ type attitude won’t work here. Oppositions are associated with the sign Libra. They require us to take an objective perspective, to be polite and respectful, and to be equal and fair.

In your composite there is a stellium of Venus, Sun, Mercury, Chiron, and Jupiter opposite Uranus. If Uranus is opposite all these planets then you must have them all conjunct. This is a good sign. The massive stellium in your composite chart indicates a lot of agreement and common ground in the relationship. Conjunctions are like glue. Venus, the Sun, Mercury, Chiron, and Jupiter all go together pretty well in aspect as well. The opposition form Uranus indicates perhaps a lot of crazy, random, fun happenings in this relationship. There’s probably a strong or intellectual or social part to this relationship too. You might find yourselves exposed to a lot of interesting people and information as a couple. And then have to negotiate, and make decisions based on what has come about as a result of this. Some of these happenings will be sudden and unusual, others just plain interesting and fun. The stellium in the composite will help you to remain a united unit, while the Uranus opposition provides variety and excitement. If both of you have an Aqua Dsc, this shouldn’t be too unwelcome.

Also, Uranus opposite the composite stellium could indicate that there is something about the two of you together as a couple that is out of the ordinary. Some might even say weird or odd. It’s the kind of thing where when the two of you walk into a room together, others will you at you and think “how’d those two ever hook up?”, or something along those lines. Sometimes this is because of race, like in YTA’s example. But really there are a variety of reasons why a certain couple will stand out when they are together. There’s a certain fascinating ‘electric’ vibe that the two of you generate as a couple. Other people might be intrigued by your relationship dynamics, or find the two of you together to be a 'Curiosity'. As long as you are okay with this the Uranus opposition shouldn’t be too much of a problem.

Uranus strong in the composite can also indicate lots of little short separations rather then a complete breakup. This can happen if one partner has a job that requires a lot of travel, or has commitments to some type of group or organization, that takes up a good amount of their attention. It could even be something as simple as having different groups of friends, or separate interests or hobbies. In these cases a strong Uranus can indicate that the couple come together, separate, and come together, over and over again. And oppositions do tend to indicate a lot of back and forth, in terms of situations, information, agreements, and people, in general. Repeated comings and goings are likely to be routine.

There is no such thing as a guarantee. But I think as long as both people in the relationship are aware and mature, there’s no reason why the it can’t work out.

I hope this was helpful. Let me know when you read.

posted January 22, 2013 02:29 AM            

I'm familiar with YTA and his lovely Leo wife

Your descriptions of give and take and compromise are absolutely spot on! And I suppose our age difference (7 years) has at times made us an odd pairing. At times even socially unacceptable because I was so young when we met (12.) At that time social demands won out over personal wants. As time has progressed and we've gotten older we have come and gone in each other's lives on many occasions, and usually the ”going” part was due to outside influences. I've noticed over the past couple years though that our separations are becoming shorter, more spread out, and more unbearable to endure (for me at least) when it happens to be an off time between us. The social dynamic between us is phenomenal. People notice when we walk in together (I swear I've heard whispers! Lol) and everything is done in the biggest, most extravagant, shocking way it can happen and even better if there's an audience.. Lol that makes us sound like exhibitionists which I suppose we kind of are..

As for chiron-uranus causing us to analyze I'd say absolutely, but definitely me more so than him. It actually drives him a little crazy, but he tolerates it because he understands it's just how I think.

I have more I want to elaborate on that you posted, but I'm working and on my phone and it's a HUGE pain to try to give long replies from my phone. until I can get to a computer just know that your interpretation was spot on. I don't usually ask for composite info unless a relationship is well established otherwise I kind of feel like it's looking at what ifs our could have beens so I really appreciate you taking the time for this ! I promise to be back soon to give a bit more feedback.

Thanks a ton!

posted January 23, 2013 01:40 AM            

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Originally posted by LionFish:
Thank you so much for getting back to me so quickly!

I'm familiar with YTA and his lovely Leo wife

Your descriptions of give and take and compromise are absolutely spot on! And I suppose our age difference (7 years) has at times made us an odd pairing. At times even socially unacceptable because I was so young when we met (12.) At that time social demands won out over personal wants. As time has progressed and we've gotten older we have come and gone in each other's lives on many occasions, and usually the ”going” part was due to outside influences. I've noticed over the past couple years though that our separations are becoming shorter, more spread out, and more unbearable to endure (for me at least) when it happens to be an off time between us. The social dynamic between us is phenomenal. People notice when we walk in together (I swear I've heard whispers! Lol) and everything is done in the biggest, most extravagant, shocking way it can happen and even better if there's an audience.. Lol that makes us sound like exhibitionists which I suppose we kind of are..

As for chiron-uranus causing us to analyze I'd say absolutely, but definitely me more so than him. It actually drives him a little crazy, but he tolerates it because he understands it's just how I think.

I have more I want to elaborate on that you posted, but I'm working and on my phone and it's a HUGE pain to try to give long replies from my phone. until I can get to a computer just know that your interpretation was spot on. I don't usually ask for composite info unless a relationship is well established otherwise I kind of feel like it's looking at what ifs our could have beens so I really appreciate you taking the time for this ! I promise to be back soon to give a bit more feedback.

Thanks a ton!

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You're welcome.

posted January 23, 2013 11:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
You're welcome.

Thanks for letting me know that the interp resonates with you. It helps me to know whether or not I'm on the right track.

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posted January 23, 2013 01:32 PM            

synastry wheels for LeAnn Rimes and Eddie Cibrian. He left his model wife Brandy to wed LeAnn after having a passionate affair with LeAnn.

Her time of birth is known, his time of birth is unknown. So only look at her houses and angles, but not his.

I don't see much in their syanstry except for double Node links - her North Node to his Venus and his North Node to her Moon. Also, Psyche and Eros are conjunct. The rest of the synastry is almost irrelevant. It does add a nice touch to the overal connection but none of the other aspects would make a man leave his wife and kids for another.

posted January 25, 2013 04:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Keela:
Are you still interested in doing what you talked about earlier, the way I see you post here and there in other posts every now and then as well, or shall I just give it a pass on the main Moon/Planet Square Cusps question in general as well?

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Hi Keela!

posted January 25, 2013 07:53 AM            

In Eddie's case their is no known time of birth, so disregard his Asc, and house cusps.

First off, there is actually some pretty potent synastry here.

About the Nodes stuff…

Her Mars at 15 Scorpio is trine his Venus at 13 Cancer, which is also conjunct her North Node at 12 Cancer (Orange has already pointed out). This adds physical chemistry, and for Leann, the feeling that she is learning something important from Eddie. We often learn a lot from those who conjunct our North Node as they already have characteristics that we are currently learning to develop. And with the romantic fireworks of her Mars trine his Venus added to the mix, more then likely this lesson related to love and sex (how to handle these issues, or even how not to handle these issues).

His North Node is at 7 Capricorn, conjunct his own Moon (depending on what time of day he was born), and widely conjunct Leann’s Moon at 2 Capricorn. (Orange makes note of this too). This conjunction is much wider then the Venus/North Node one, but I do think it reinforces a theme in their relationship about learning lessons, and finding the traits that your learning to embrace in your partner. Leann’s Capricorn Moon reinforces Eddie’s Capricorn North Node/Moon conjunction, and his Saturn/ Sun conjunction in Gemini. She is more then likely helping him to learn how to deal with all the Capricorn energy he has taken on in his chart this lifetime. With Eddie’s birth time unknown, we don’t know exactly what degree his moon is at, but if it’s anywhere near noon, then his Moon is not only conjunct Leann’s Capricorn Moon but also trine her Virgo Sun.

These two have quite a few traditional Male/Female physical attraction aspects as well.

Along with Venus trine Mars, and maybe Sun trine Moon (If he was born near noon), they also have her Venus at 17 Leo sextile his Uranus at 18 Libra. Adding to this, his Sun at 25 Gemini is trine her Pluto at 24 Libra, while his Pluto at 1 Libra trine her Asc at 2 Aquarius, and square her Moon at 2 Capricorn. That’s a pretty heady bunch of attraction producing aspects. And Pluto is strong which means intensity.

I see significant house related synastry as well.

When I look at the symbolism of Leann’s 5th, 7th, and 8th houses, and her 5th, 7th, and 8th house ruler aspects to Eddie‘s chart, I can see why she was so attracted to him. I can't do this from Eddie's side because I don't know his time of birth. But with Leann's house cusps known, the attraction can be seen from her side clear as day…

Eddie's Sun/Saturn conjunction in Gemini falls into Leann's Gemini ruled 5th house of romance and infatuation. This indicates that for Leann, Eddie is THAT type of guy that she finds impressive and exciting. More then likely when they first met he was able to blow her away with the force of his personality. From her 5th house, Eddie’s Sun/Saturn at 25 and 24 degrees of Gemini respectively, trines Leann’s Pluto at 24 Libra and opposes her Neptune at 24 Sagittarius… To her, the attraction probably felt irresistibly deep and intense in a smoldering plutonic kind of way, and also felt like an escape into some kind of fantasy dream land… Like he helped her get away from the hum drum of her ordinary existence.

Leann’s Gemini 5th house cusp, and her Virgo 8th house cusp, are both ruled by Mercury at 1 Libra. As it happens Eddie has his Pluto at 1 Libra exactly conjunct Leann’s Mercury. This wouldn’t usually be considered that much of a sexy aspect, but with Mercury being the ruler her 5th and 8th houses, I think it adds up to some pretty hot stuff. His Plutonic sexuality and passion would be energizing her life areas of romantic sparks and private intimacy. The symbolism of Leann’s 8th house, like the 5th house, also relates quite well to Eddie’s natal placements. Leann has both Mercury and Saturn in the 8th house, and Eddie is a Gemini with Moon in Capricorn.

Actually, there are some strong Neptune/Pluto themes in their relationship. Some of which point to the potential difficulties that they may face together. Her Pluto is trine his Sun/Saturn, and her Neptune opposes his Sun/Saturn… While his Libra Pluto is conjunct her Mercury, and square her Moon at 2 Capricorn. And his Neptune at 5 Sagittarius is square her Sun at 5 Virgo! Issues of intimacy, passion, and possessiveness, as well as fantasy and escape Vs reality, are quite a theme in this relationship. Interestingly the relationship itself started as a deception. They have DW Sun/Neptune hard aspects! Neptune has a way of making things seem ideal or ‘perfect’ even when they not. My guess is that at the beginning of the relationship the attraction was hypnotic and felt like a dream come true. Only once the romantic fog starts to clear, it may become apparent that there are actually flaws in the relationship they hadn’t anticipated. Issues concerning trust, jealousy, clarity, and needing to be sure of where you stand with the other, may come to the fore.

Leann has Leo on the 7th house cusp, her Virgo Sun is the ruler of her 7th house of partnership. Having her 7th house ruler square his Neptune may make her especially vulnerable to wondering where she stands with Eddie, and if she can trust him. The Neptune hard apsects in their synastry make it very important for them to be clear and straightforward with each other or confusion and mistrust may develop. From Eddie’s side, his Pluto square her Moon may mean that he can be quite jealous when it come to her, even if he normally isn’t a jealous kind of guy.

Another issue they may have is that Eddie has Mercury at 19 Cancer square Uranus at 18 Libra…. While Leann has her Saturn at 19 Libra conjunct Eddie’s Uranus and square Eddie’s Mercury. His Mercury/Uranus square indicates that he may like to mingle with lots of different people, and communicate freely and randomly whenever he feels like it. Leann’s Saturn is in her 8th house, so her Saturn Conjunct his Uranus and square his Mercury means that she may try to hamper his freedom, control what he says, and who he mixes with, out of fear that his open ways might lead to him violating their private bond. In other words, she may fear he’ll cheat. The positive side of this aspect is that with a Mercury/Uranus square he has a pretty erratic mind, and with her Saturn she is able to calm him down and give him focus. Her 7th house Venus is sextile her 8th house Saturn natally, so my guess is that even though the relationship started as an affair, she ultimately wants stability and security in her relationship.

One possible saving grace they may have is if Eddie’s Moon in Capricorn is conjunct Leann’s Capricorn Moon, or trine her Virgo Sun. With Leann’s 7th house ruler being the Sun, a trine from his Moon would enhance her attraction to him as a life partner, and make her long for his company, on top of the traditional meaning of a Sun/Moon aspect… Like general harmony, physical attraction, and yin/yang balance between them (even if SHE is the one with the Sun, this is still a very positive aspect). Her Jupiter at 5 Scorpio would be sextile this trine as well, adding to the positivity of it. I hope for their sakes that his Moon is trine her Sun. It would really compensate for that questionable Neptune square to her 7th house ruler.

Those of you familiar with my posts might remember that I use something called secondary house cusps. Okay, so Leann has Leo on the 7th house cusp, and Leo rules the 5th house, so the 5th house is Leann’s secondary 7th house. The secondary 7th house provides extra details about what we need in committed relationships. This means that for Leann, the 5th house is not just about the playful romantic side of a relationship, but also about what she needs in serious partnerships. With Leo on the 7th house cusp romance and marriage are interlinked in her chart. Keeping this in mind, Eddie’s Gemini planets and Libra Pluto, are part of what attracted Leann to want to marry him, and not just have an affair. This is because they influence Leann’s secondary 7th house. Which is her original 5th. This is part of the strong attraction between them.

Another 7th house factor in their favor as a couple is that fact that her Venus in the 7th house is sextile his Uranus. Even by itself this aspect is said create an electric romantic attraction (as mentioned before), and with her Venus receiving this aspect from the 7th house this effect is doubled. The excitement she feels around Eddie is another part of what attracted her to marry him, and make him a permanent part of her life.

posted January 25, 2013 08:39 AM            

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Originally posted by Sunnydayz:
Hi Lotis,

Thanks so much for all the information! It's very informative!

I have to admit I am still a bit confused in regards some of the compatibility aspects. As far as I can tell (from the synastry chart I included below) I seem to activate all of his 5th,7th, and 8th houses but I do not activate my partners 5th house unless you count the midheaven. I guess I am confused because he has been the one initiating ('romancing') everything...if that makes sense.
http://www.astro.com/tmpd/cj1ufilevnn9zV-u1354991948/astro_61gw_01_02_t_r.75371 .13310.gif?16955

If you can offer any clarity I would be truly grateful!

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Hi Sunnydayz,

posted January 25, 2013 08:53 AM            

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Originally posted by AriesKat:
Ok so what I got was that lets just say.

Person A has his 8th house ruler in pisces and person b has moon, Jupiter, mercury and vesta in Pisces Ruler of their 12th also in the 8th house of person a, making and aspect to person A's mars. that the relationship will have the 8th house theme? Is person b touching the 8th house ruler by just having their planets in the same sign and symbolism as person a's 8th house ruler? Or would person b's ruler of their 8th have to be Pisces too to match up?

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Hi AriesKat,

Bear with me, I’m a little confused. So person A’s got the 8th house ruler in Pisces, and person B has Moon, Jupiter, Mercury and Vesta in Pisces? This part is a symbolic match with person A’s 8th house. Yes. What that means is the person B has personality characteristics that resonate with person A’s 8th house, making person B seem like person A’s type in an 8th house kind of way.

Symbolism matches like the above show house someone’s personality is our ‘type’.

Aspects to our 8th house ruler would show the actual energy flow between us, and how they have chemistry with us.

Both are necessary to some degree in order for us to really be into someone, but spread out over all of the 5th, 7th and 8th houses.

Ruler of the 12th house in person A’s 8th house and aspect to person A’s Mars. Whose 12th house ruler? Person A or B?

posted January 25, 2013 09:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
Hi Lotis,

Whenever you return to this thread, could you explain your views on considering the diff. axes in synastry? What level of attraction results from--

--Example, woman's nodal axis conjunct the man's Vertex/Anti-Vertex (1 deg).

--Or the woman's Vertex/Anti-Vertex exactly conjunct the man's Asc/Desc.

--or the woman's IC/MC exactly parallel to the man's IC/MC.

Thanks.

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Hi Linda Jones,

Personally, I always find it fascinating when another Axis is conjunct the Vertex Axis in synastry. The Vertex has to do with major turning points for us, and what feels fated and meaningful. Synchronicity is a big theme with the Vertex. So whenever someone has a part of their chart aspect to our Vertex we find we weirdly have things in common, in relation to that part of their chart.

With the Mc/Ic to the Vertex Axis, the person's Career and Home life catch our attention, and resonate with us in profoundly personal way. We may recognize something in their Career Vs Home dynamic that we really relate to, and identify with.

With the Asc/Dsc Axis conjunct our Vertex Axis, that person’s persona, and ‘Independence Vs Relationship Needs’ pattern will resonate instead.

The Nodes have to do with our journey through life, as we move further away from the old habits of the South Node, and towards new frontiers of the North Node. When someone’s Nodal Axis conjunct the Vertex Axis then, their mission to move forward and advance in life will resonate with us, again in that synchronistic kind of way. An Author who I very much enjoyed reading had their Nodal Axis conjunct my Vertex Axis, and the ‘journey’ of her fictional characters resonated with me. After I saw that synastry I understood why her writing attracted me, and I usually seemed to ‘get’ her characters.