posted August 21, 2013 09:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Please post your chart. It's much easier for me to gauge what your pattern is if I can see it in it's entirety.

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Bump for chart on the first page. Thanks for the info about Uranus and Jupiter as well.

posted August 21, 2013 09:41 PM            

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1. Of the two, which would be more important in terms of romantic compatibility: My Virgo Moon in 5th house(Leo cusp), or Libra Mars in 6th house(Virgo cusp). My 6th house has a stellium in Libra, which my Mars is a part of. In this situation, is 5th house still more relevant?

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Well, the 5th, 7th, and 8th houses all show different parts of our attraction pattern regardless of gender. While for females, Mars and the Sun show our masculine ideals, and the house ruled by the sign of Mars shows what type of suitor a women prefers… His behavior and style ect.

It’s not some much about what’s more important, as it is about what you prioritize in your life. As in what parts of a relationship are most important for you.

From an astrological perspective, the 5th house is the ROMANCE/COURTSHIP period of the relationship, where we fall in love, and observe how special and unique the other person is.

The 7th house is the MARRIAGE/COMMITMENT period of the relationship, where we relate as individuals, exchange appreciation, and make agreements…

And the 8th house is the CONSUMATION/MERGING OF RESCOURCES period of the relationship, where after the being ‘united as one‘ officially, we become interdependent on each other through the sharing of ourselves and our stuff.

Put another way…

The 5th relates to…
Romance/adoration/courtship/the glamour of falling in love/

The Dsc relates to…
Affection/liking/completion/marriage/the most significant other in life/

The 8th relates to…
Intimacy/private union/power balance/emotional, psychological, and physical merging/

Which house is ‘more important’ for you in love depends on your personal outlook.

Okay, now that I’ve got the generalized stuff out of the way I’ll take a personal look at your chart…

First I’ll address your 7th, and then your 8th house… These houses show what you look for in marriage in general (7th house), and in the private parts of your relationship (8th house).

So in your case, you have a Scorpio Dsc ruled by Pluto, and co-ruled by Mars, both in Libra in the 6th house. You also have Jupiter in the 7th house, and Uranus at the very end of your 7th house conjunct your 8th house cusp.

Interestingly, the Libra stellium you asked me about is tied to your 7th house of partnership anyway, because both Pluto and Mars in Libra co-rule your Dsc/ 7th house. It’s part of the picture for you in relationships.

The Scorpio/Libra combo indicates that you like charming, friendly, diplomatic guys who are also emotionally strong, and have a depth of feeling within them.

Jupiter in the 7th indicates an attraction to someone who also has a bit of a happy-go-lucky streak, a positive attitude, and a lot of intellectual curiosity about the world.

The Uranus part also indicates that you like a guy who’s not afraid to be original or different, and who respects other people’s individuality.

Your 8th house is actually very similar to your 7th house. You have Sagittarius on the 8th house cusp ruled by Jupiter in Scorpio in the 7th house. Plus Uranus is conjunct the 8th house cusp from the 7th house, and Neptune in the 8th house.

As you can see, the Scorpio/Sagittarius/Uranus vibe is similar. There’s also a Libra-ish vibe to the 8th due to the fact that it’s ruler Jupiter sits in the 7th house (the Libra house).

Actually, the 7th house and the 8th house are symbolically linked in another important way too. Your 8th house is your secondary 7th house. The secondary 7th house shows extra details about what you look for in partnership. You have a Scorpio Dsc, Scorpio rules the 8th house, and so your 8th house is like an extension of your 7th house. Because the 8th house and the 7th house are so similar, this doesn’t change your taste in partnerships very much. Although, the addition of Neptune to the 8th house will cause you to appreciate a partner who is compassionate, sentimental, and caring towards you, especially in your private bond.

I mentioned before that a women’s Mars highlights the type of suitor that she likes. Your Mars is in Libra in the 6th house. This indicates again that you like charmers, guys that know how to sweet-talk, and get along well with others.

Then there’s your secondary Mars house. Okay, you have Mars in Libra, Libra rules the 7th house. So your 7th house will show extra details about how you prefer a guy to behave, as well as what you look for in committed relationships (these are slightly different things). For you these two things are tied as one.

So remember what I’ve already mentioned when talking about your 7th house, and think of it as applying to the type of pursuit you like as well. The Scorpio part would indicate that you like it when a male suitor/ potential mate takes the time to understand you at a deeper level, psychologically, and the Jupiter part indicates you like a bit of a playful attitude and a sense of humor. These thing attract to you how a guy is as a man, and how he’d be suited to a committed one on one partnership with you.

Speaking of commitment. The asteroid Juno is said to indicate what we need from others in order to feel ready to commit to them. You have Juno in Capricorn in the 9th house. You need to feel that your partner has a moral conscience (9th house), and that he is capable of upholding his end of the responsibilities in the relationship (Capricorn) before you can feel ready to commit. This tendency is reinforced by the fact that you’re 7th house ruler Pluto, and Mars, are loosely conjunct Saturn in Libra. Saturn in Libra also rules your Capricorn Juno.

The Pluto and Mars sit in the 6th house also indicates that you like guys who can be focused, hardworking, and willing to take care of all the nitty gritty that needs to be done in our daily lives.

Note: I interpreted your 7th house, 8th house, Mars, and Juno, all together because the symbolism of all three of them is very interlinked. There is a Looottt of repetition. Especially with the Scorpio/Pluto/8th house, Sagittaruis/Jupiter/9th house, Libra/Venus/7th house, and to some extent the Uranus/Aquarius/ 11th house themes. Whoever you settle down with is likely to have these themes dominant in their natal chart. A sort of Scorpio/Libra/Sag/Aqua type vibe.

However, I wouldn’t go as far as to try and guess his Sun sign. It doesn’t work like that. How it works is that people are attracted to certain combinations of energies in their partner’s overall chart, including ALL of the partner’s placements. There’s a variety of ways these energies could come all together in the chart of one person.

It’s also important to consider they synastry you have with the person. Do they have planets in your 5th, 7th, and 8th houses, or do they have planets strongly aspecting the rulers of these houses. These generate strong chemistry between people. For love relationships, it’s also good to check for the traditional physical attraction aspects. I like to see at least one tight one for love relationships.

The typical physical attraction aspects are…

PLANETARY COMBINATIONS INDICATING PHYSICAL ATTRACTION (from my previous post).

Sun/Moon, Sun/Venus, Sun/Mars, Sun/Pluto, Moon/Venus, Moon/Mars, Moon/Pluto, Venus/Asc, Venus/Venus, Venus/Mars, Venus/Uranus, Venus/Pluto, Mars/Asc, Mars/Mars, Mars/Uranus, Mars/Pluto...

Now for your 5th house… The 5th house shows the type of person that excites you, and impresses you. They seem to stand out and grab your attention.

Your 5th house is Leo, ruled by the Sun in Pisces in the 11th house. The Moon in Virgo also sits in the 5th house.

Again, a liking for a guy that has sensitivity and emotional depth is there. This is shown by Sun in Pisces ruling the 5th, and Moon in Virgo within the 5th. The presence of Leo on the 5th house cusp shows an attraction to guys who can be dashing and confident, as well as vulnerable. You like it when a guy has charisma, stands out, has a strong will, and has a passion for life.

You may often find yourself attracted to those that have a Leo/Sun/5th house theme running through their charts.

Planets in Cancer, the 4th house, or a strong Moon in a guys natal chart may attract you too because of the Moon being located in your 5th house.

The fact that your Moon in the 5th house is in Virgo, and a good dose of the sign Virgo is in your 5th house, reinforces how your 7th house rulers Mars and Pluto are both in the 6th house… This gives a Virgo/Mercury/6th house theme to your attraction pattern as well.

People who have planets in Virgo in your 5th house, especially if they aspect planets in your natal chart, can certainly attract you.

Also, the Sun in Pisces ruling the 5th house reinforces that Neptune you have in the 8th house/ secondary 7th house. This adds a pretty strong Neptune/Pisces/12th house theme to your attraction pattern. Guys with a Pisces planet or two, especially if they conjunct your Sun, or a strong Neptune, can attract you.

The 5th house ruler is in the 11th house, and this reinforces your Uranus in the 7th house conjunct the 8th house cusp. Here, we have a Uranus/Aqurius/11th house them added to your 5th house attraction pattern. Guys with planets in Aquarius, or a strong Uranus, or 11th house, can attract you to.

What I’m getting at here, is that the overall vibe of your 5th house is like a combo of Leo/Virgo/Cancer/Aquarius/Pisces… When you add it you your 7th house/8th house attraction pattern of Scorpio/Libra/Sag/Aqua this takes up like eight signs of the zodiac. Not exactly specific!!

That’s why Synastry is so important for evaluating a connection. It’s not just the signs in a partner’s chart that matter. You won’t be magnetically drawn to every person born with these signs strong in their chart. That would be ridiculous!

Chemistry shows in how their planets aspect your planets, and overly your houses. Do they aspect your 5th, 7th, and 8th house rulers, Your Sun, Moon, and Asc, or Mars and Venus. This is so especially if the planets aspecting your chart do so from signs that are part of your attraction pattern.

Also planets in your 5th, 7th, and 8th houses in synastry can indicate chemistry, especially if they conjunct your natal planets within these houses. Or tightly aspect other planets in your chart from these houses.

You haven’t listed your Vertex Axis on your natal chart above. But planets aspecting this Axis, especially conjunct or oppose the Vertex are potent in the synastry of chemistry as well.

So yeah, it’s complicated. But I hope this gives you an idea of the type configerations to look for in love synastry.

posted August 21, 2013 10:09 PM            

Platonic attraction: Virgo sun and Cancer sun

One sided attraction on my side only- Scorpio sun

Mutual attraction- Sagittarius sun and Taurus sun. sometimes Libra sun or Capricorn sun.

One sided attraction on their side only- Libra sun and sometimes Pisces sun

Mutual indifference in terms of attraction: Aquarius sun...not even platonic attraction

I am also drawn to men who have strong scorpio or taurus placements other than sun. Also attracted to those with moon in cancer, taurus, virgo, aquarius...and lately leo.

BTW my vertex is in Libra, in the 6th house. Woo, a lot of Libra in my chart, and sixth house packed. Your explanation kind of explained my confusion perfectly. I was getting a lot of repetition myself when trying to interpret my own chart LOL. I also cannot figure out where the Taurus attraction is coming in. I mean it is my ascendant, but my first house is not aspected from what I can tell. I assumed that I would have been more compatible with Scorpios. Your assessment of my ideal type for men was perfect. Thanks again.

posted August 22, 2013 03:50 AM            

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Originally posted by Jkitty:
Thanks for clarifying that for me, Lotis. You're such a wealth of information. I really value your insight!

What can I say? He's definitely activated all of my relationship houses. I'm just hoping that it goes both ways!

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posted August 22, 2013 04:09 AM            

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Originally posted by sugarnfeist:
Wow, that was very thorough! Thank you so much for all the time you put into it! I'm still learning about placements, but thus far only looking at sun signs, this has been my pattern:

Platonic attraction: Virgo sun and Cancer sun

One sided attraction on my side only- Scorpio sun

Mutual attraction- Sagittarius sun and Taurus sun. sometimes Libra sun or Capricorn sun.

One sided attraction on their side only- Libra sun and sometimes Pisces sun

Mutual indifference in terms of attraction: Aquarius sun...not even platonic attraction

I am also drawn to men who have strong scorpio or taurus placements other than sun. Also attracted to those with moon in cancer, taurus, virgo, aquarius...and lately leo.

BTW my vertex is in Libra, in the 6th house. Woo, a lot of Libra in my chart, and sixth house packed. Your explanation kind of explained my confusion perfectly. I was getting a lot of repetition myself when trying to interpret my own chart LOL. I also cannot figure out where the Taurus attraction is coming in. I mean it is my ascendant, but my first house is not aspected from what I can tell. I assumed that I would have been more compatible with Scorpios. Your assessment of my ideal type for men was perfect. Thanks again.

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Awesome, I glad my post made some sense to you! I wanted to be very clear and detailed in case any other people had questions that I might be able to answer in your reading.

Hmmm... I just took another at your chart. I think I know where the attraction to Taurus is coming form. When I'm analyzing the 7th house ruler, I always pay attention to how it's aspected, and what planets aspect it. But if I'm willing to consider how the 7th house ruler is aspected, why not look at how the Dsc itself is aspected by planets in the natal chart for extra details on taste...

In your case you have Venus tightly squaring your Asc/Dsc Axis. Venus rules both Taurus and Libra, so when it shows up in your attraction pattern you it can indicate either sign as potentially attracting you. I think you see where I'm going.

Venus Squaring your Asc/Dsc Axis influences both your personal expression, and your relationship prefernces/orientation. The Square to your Dsc, which I'm specifically talking about, would indicate an attraction to Venus people in general.

posted August 22, 2013 05:20 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Awesome, I glad my post made some sense to you! I wanted to be very clear and detailed in case any other people had questions that I might be able to answer in your reading.

Hmmm... I just took another at your chart. I think I know where the attraction to Taurus is coming form. When I'm analyzing the 7th house ruler, I always pay attention to how it's aspected, and what planets aspect it. But if I'm willing to consider how the 7th house ruler is aspected, why not look at how the Dsc itself is aspected by planets in the natal chart for extra details on taste...

In your case you have Venus tightly squaring your Asc/Dsc Axis. Venus rules both Taurus and Libra, so when it shows up in your attraction pattern you it can indicate either sign as potentially attracting you. I think you see where I'm going.

Venus Squaring your Asc/Dsc Axis influences both your personal expression, and your relationship prefernces/orientation. The Square to your Dsc, which I'm specifically talking about, would indicate an attraction to Venus people in general.

I think this may be why you've had experiences with both Taurus and Libra.

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Thank you! I realized to I forgot to add that my my Libra vertex is 15°16'11", aspecting my other Libra placements. I think we've already determined though Libra has a major theme in my chart. This may also explain why I draw Libra men to me so often. LOL. Woo hoo! Looks like I have plenty of possibilities to chose from. Life isn't too bad.

posted August 22, 2013 08:29 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Uranus in the 7th could indicate a quirky and unusual partner, or relationship. And it can indicate sudden happenings in the relationship area. Like a sudden marriage.

There's one poster on this site, Yours Truly Always, who has Uranus in the 7th. He married his wife within a very short time of meeting her, and now they've been married for over twenty years... Her Venus was conjunct his Uranus in his 7th house. Venus/Uranus is an exciting attraction synastry aspect to have.

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Regarding YTA's events and my chart, for example, I have Aquarius as the cusp of my 7th and 8th houses. My Uranus is in Libra in my 4th house. Secondary 7/8th is the eleventh house in Taurus, my Venus in Virgo right at the cusp of third house. 5th cusp is in Scorpio, Pluto in 4th and Libra.

A) I haven't married anyone yet, of course, but I had a suspicion that if someone did match enough, I could end up with a more or less fast attraction or moves, leading to cohabitation of some sort pretty fast likewise. Would this seem like one potential pattern for the above?

B) Since both Uranus and Pluto are in Libra and the 4th house, would that also bring in something to do with Cancer as some echo somewhere? Libra vibes with the 7th again but what about that 4th for possible Cancerian things? Especially with my Pisces Moon in 8th house as well as my 12th cusp being Cancer.

C) Technically, screw half the above in my case so far, anyway. Current things thus far have featured a large number of Scorpios found interesting over the years, and for example, a Sagittarian male with their Sun exactly conjunct my 14 Sag Valentine. I realize they both comply with my 5th house, but when people in my life often have something at 22-23 Scorpio to match the solstice point of my Descendant, there's still more going on somewhere.

D) I also think Venus and Mars likely to do something beyond the usual as well in my particular case, with Mars in my 11th house and Venus tied to the secondary spots, but what's your view on all such? So far a direct contact to my Uranus in the form of someone's Sun conjunct it wasn't taken favourably, for example, despite their Sun also thus trining my Moon. He was keen, I wanted to scram like a typical Uranus. Coincidentally or not, the circumstances also dictated that I stayed at his place very early on in our acquaintance, whatever the possible fourth house influence there.

My apologies for the chart posting, but you seem to prefer them. I'll edit it out when I can I think so I'd prefer if it wasn't reposted entirely either.

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posted August 22, 2013 08:46 PM            

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A) I haven't married anyone yet, of course, but I had a suspicion that if someone did match enough, I could end up with a more or less fast attraction or moves, leading to cohabitation of some sort pretty fast likewise. Would this seem like one potential pattern for the above?

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Hi Keela,

I found that the planet Uranus is more erratic then the sign Aquarius because it’s co-ruled by Saturn. Uranus itself in the 7th house is a stronger indicator of a sudden relationship then Aquarius on the 7th house cusp. That being said, Aquarius’ rulership by Uranus seems to be more dominant then Saturn, so Aquarius on the 7th could still potentially indicate a sudden relationship. There’s no guarantee of this though. I does show that you need somebody who respects you as an individual, and who is a supportive friend, not just a partner in love.

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Originally posted by Keela:

B) Since both Uranus and Pluto are in Libra and the 4th house, would that also bring in something to do with Cancer as some echo somewhere? Libra vibes with the 7th again but what about that 4th for possible Cancerian things? Especially with my Pisces Moon in 8th house as well as my 12th cusp being Cancer.

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I peeked at your chart and, yes, there are several indications of Cancer in your attraction pattern. As you’ve already mentioned, the 7th house ruler Uranus falls into the 4th house (Yes, I take the house of the 7th house ruler into consideration), and you have your Moon (Cancer’s ruler) in the 8th house of intimacy…

Also, If we take Saturn as co-ruler of your Dsc into consideration, it’s worth noting that Saturn is in the sign Cancer in the 12th house. So yes to a ‘Cancer’ influence on your attraction pattern.

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Originally posted by Keela:

C) Technically, screw half the above in my case so far, anyway. Current things thus far have featured a large number of Scorpios found interesting over the years, and for example, a Sagittarian male with their Sun exactly conjunct my 14 Sag Valentine. I realize they both comply with my 5th house, but when people in my life often have something at 22-23 Scorpio to match the solstice point of my Descendant, there's still more going on somewhere.

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True, the Scorpio/Sag stuff is very 5th house with Scorpio on the cusp and all of Sagittarius sitting in the 5th…. Interesting idea to use solstices points for the Dsc. I never thought of it myself so maybe I’ll give it a try.

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Originally posted by Keela:

D) I also think Venus and Mars likely to do something beyond the usual as well in my particular case, with Mars in my 11th house and Venus tied to the secondary spots, but what's your view on all such? So far a direct contact to my Uranus in the form of someone's Sun conjunct it wasn't taken favourably, for example, despite their Sun also thus trining my Moon. He was keen, I wanted to scram like a typical Uranus. Coincidentally or not, the circumstances also dictated that I stayed at his place very early on in our acquaintance, whatever the possible fourth house influence there.

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Just took a look at your chart. Hmmm. Okay well in your case you have Saturn in Cancer squaring Uranus in Libra by three degrees. This puts planets conjunct either of your 7th house co-rulers in a difficult situation. Any planet conjunct Uranus will also square Saturn, and any planet conjunct Saturn will square Uranus. Both Saturn and Uranus can be pretty harsh and radical in hard aspects, so it’s understandable that this type of synastry hasn’t been a ‘fun’ experience for you.

I think this is the reason you might prefer stimulation to Mars and Venus. Your secondary 7th house is the 11th house with Aquarius on the Dsc. You’ve got Taurus on the cusp of the 11th ruled by Venus in Virgo, and Mars in Gemini sitting in the 11th house. So yeah, Venus and Mars are very much tied to 7th house affairs for you though secondaries.

Interestingly these planets also square. However, Mars/Venus squares tend to be a lot more pleasant then Saturn/Uranus ones. Mars/Venus squares are common in attractions between men and women. It’s a more enjoyable aspect for sure. Even though the aspect between Mars and Venus is a hard one, I can see how you’d like having these touched in synastry a lot more then the whole Saturn/Uranus configuration. The vibe I get from the Saturn/Uranus square is a combination of agitation and feeling repressed somehow by the other person. The fact that a planet on your Uranus would trine your Moon probably only makes it so that you can tolerate such synastry, but not necessarily like it.

posted August 23, 2013 10:59 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Okay well in your case you have Saturn in Cancer squaring Uranus in Libra by three degrees. This puts planets conjunct either of your 7th house co-rulers in a difficult situation. Any planet conjunct Uranus will also square Saturn, and any planet conjunct Saturn will square Uranus. Both Saturn and Uranus can be pretty harsh and radical in hard aspects, so it’s understandable that this type of synastry hasn’t been a ‘fun’ experience for you.

I think this is the reason you might prefer stimulation to Mars and Venus. Your secondary 7th house is the 11th house with Aquarius on the Dsc. You’ve got Taurus on the cusp of the 11th ruled by Venus in Virgo, and Mars in Gemini sitting in the 11th house. So yeah, Venus and Mars are very much tied to 7th house affairs for you though secondaries.

Interestingly these planets also square. Even though the aspect between Mars and Venus is a hard one, I can see how you’d like having these touched in synastry a lot more then the whole Saturn/Uranus configuration. The vibe I get from the Saturn/Uranus square is a combination of agitation and feeling repressed somehow by the other person. The fact that a planet on your Uranus would trine your Moon probably only makes it so that you can tolerate such synastry, but not necessarily like it.

Thanks for posting your chart! Even if you take it down later, actually seeing it really helped me understand your questions better.

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Yes, I realized I hadn't specifically mentioned the Saturn-Uranus Aquarius ruler stuff when posting but knew you'd know all that, anyway. I assume the 12th house Saturn and Uranian influence for the DC (and/or their square on top) tie at least in part to my walking alone as well, rather than doing random relationships. As you can see, I'm square or opposition central as well so I may not seem the easiest company either to people unable to deal with something like that.

The Libra Sun case mentioned wasn't necessarily repressive as the main feeling, but since he did feel as if trying to "tie" me down right from the start - and my yet having my reasons to have contact instead of just making a clean break - it probably passes for Saturn-Uranus stuff well enough. Everybody described our vibe from the first meeting as that of an old married couple. The verbal "sparring" or vibe came in part through my having reasons to want to keep him as a contact but not wanting him anywhere even near as close as he seemed to want to get straight off.

The solstice points or Antiscia matter vastly in my case so I always check them. Take my Sun at 28 Leo. One of my closest friends had their ASC-DC at 1 Sco-Tau, matching it exactly. I know I respond in part to that spot as well, for example, but the 23 Scorpio is a surefire hit in most longer lasting contacts over the years.

I'm not sure why I respond so strongly to Antiscia, but my Moon and Uranus are also exactly that instead of just trine. There's also my Venus and Jupiter hitting the 23 Aries-5 Virgo spots so having contact through that, and my Mars and Saturn Antiscia spots being only 2 degrees apart so a lot is going on under the immediate chart as well. Whatever people may think of 447 Valentine or asteroids, I know mine is opposite my mother's Moon/father's Uranus as well as trine her Leo ASC and my brother's MC, plus trine my father's Sun-Moon the other way in Aries. My Valentine has its solstice point hitting the 15 Cap/Can family hotspot line of other people's DCs and more, so I know personally that the asteroid has influence in my particular case. I have nothing big or obvious at 14 Sag and yet can see the influence of things like that as well over time. The degrees being so exact make it more Valentine as well instead of my 19 Sag Vertex. So if you can or are interested, maybe that's another one to add to your asteroid research over time?

posted August 23, 2013 10:13 PM            

Thanks for responding to my post.

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Originally posted by Keela:
I've also over time often noted that I tend to notice men with their Sun (mostly) at Aquarius 22-23 so as I don't really have anything touching that I've wondered if that's another solstice point reaction in my case. The Antiscion is 6-7 Scorpio and thus squares my ASC/DC angle. Would you consider something like that to have influence? It seems unlikely that it would be merely from a 23 Aqu Sun sextiling my Jupiter - but as it's another persistent pattern there seems to be something there to figure out.

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About the Aquarius 22-23 degrees attraction. I’m not sure what part of your chart this was meant to be in antiscion to when I read your paragraph… But if you feel this part of your attraction pattern is a certain antiscion it may well be. I don’t really have that much experience working with antiscions so it’s hard to say.

What I do know is that when another person puts planets in our 5th, 7th, and 8th houses, and also aspects other parts of our charts (like your Jupiter for instance), this can really press our buttons. Any aspects we receive from other people’s planets overlaying our love houses can be potent for attraction. I guess what I’m getting at is that I wouldn’t rule out a sextile to Jupiter as a source of attraction, if the sextile comes form the 7th house. Of course other factors in your chart may be supporting this attraction as well

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Originally posted by Keela:
Whatever people may think of 447 Valentine or asteroids, I know mine is opposite my mother's Moon/father's Uranus as well as trine her Leo ASC and my brother's MC, plus trine my father's Sun-Moon the other way in Aries. My Valentine has its solstice point hitting the 15 Cap/Can family hotspot line of other people's DCs and more, so I know personally that the asteroid has influence in my particular case. I have nothing big or obvious at 14 Sag and yet can see the influence of things like that as well over time. The degrees being so exact make it more Valentine as well instead of my 19 Sag Vertex. So if you can or are interested, maybe that's another one to add to your asteroid research over time?

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posted August 26, 2013 04:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
meissieri,

Thanks for the clear description of how you feel your pattern fits for you. The part about the 8th house/Asc ruler was interesting. I can totally see how it would feel that way for you.

About duads... I generally check the duad sign of the Dsc, and the duad of the Dsc ruler... Usually do the same for the 5th and 8th houses as well. Duads seem to show little details about our taste. Like a cute accessory going with a whole outfit.

The ruler of the duad may well have some effect, but it would likely be a small one. An interesting little side point about what you prefer in partnerships.

However, if you're new, paying too much attention to this may get confusing. For instance, there's also the decan of the Dsc, and it's to consider. And the fact that if a person has Pisces, Scorpio, or Aquarius on the Dsc, these signs all have co-rulers. The modern rulers Neptune, Pluto, and Uranus, (which I see as dominant), and the ancient rulers Jupiter, Mars, and Saturn, (which I see as a sub-influence on these signs). If taking all of this into consideration seems like overload keep it simple.

If you feel you're up for examining all the extra information, please remember that the duad influence will be a lot less potent then that of the actual sign on the Dsc, and it's ruler. The duad's influence would be subtle in the grand scheme of things. Still, it has it's relevance with regard to the minutiae of our taste.

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Sorry for the late reply, it's been a couple of busy days that made it hard to get online.

Yes, I think it's a very deep kind of contact. They offer me a way out of my own little world, the 12th house. Planets in late Taurus not only fall into my 8th but trine the ruler, too. It feels very special, and stable at the same time.

Oh, you're right, it does get quite confusing to check out even more influences. Of course, some signs have two rulers, to make it even more complex.

My DSC duad sends me over to Gemini again, so for me, it actually gets even stronger. I've checked out my 6th house, too, for Mars, showing me Pisces. That's dead-on, too. Mars also trines Neptune in my chart tightly and applying. This is actually helping me pickng out the strongest aspects.

Aries doesn't show up in many charts of men I've had feelings for, which really surprises me. I've noticed that with a lot of those men, I ended up being the one who made the first move. ... Am I acting out my DSC? In female friends, though, it totally does show up. Odd to see such a difference. I just wonder how strong it is, if those duad infuences are more subtle.

posted August 27, 2013 10:34 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
About the Aquarius 22-23 degrees attraction. I’m not sure what part of your chart this was meant to be in antiscion to when I read your paragraph… But if you feel this part of your attraction pattern is a certain antiscion it may well be.

What I do know is that when another person puts planets in our 5th, 7th, and 8th houses, and also aspects other parts of our charts (like your Jupiter for instance), this can really press our buttons. Any aspects we receive from other people’s planets overlaying our love houses can be potent for attraction. I guess what I’m getting at is that I wouldn’t rule out a sextile to Jupiter as a source of attraction, if the sextile comes form the 7th house. Of course other factors in your chart may be supporting this attraction as well.

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Lotis W, as said in what the site ate (leaving only your quoted bit in): I'm sure it's more so us thanking you for whatever your insights. The site also doesn't seem to recognize your text between your two quoted sections, so have to manually copy that in for my reference now.

The Antiscia of my ASC/DC are around 23 Tau/Sco 7'. The Aquarian spot squares the DC through that twist. It seemed to offer a stronger boost than a mere inexact sextile to Jupiter, even if that tied to my intercepted Sagittarius in fifth house.

I forget what I wrote yesterday about seeing the attraction pattern discussed even in someone I recently bumped into again, but I'll recap some of it. I knew the guy a long time ago and was attracted and just recently bumped into him again and checked the chart. Considering what both you and I have said of my particular patterns, it's pretty obvious why I take note of him (even if he's now only recently just gotten together with someone else so it's not anything active in my case for now at least).

Chart posted only temporarily for your reference. I'll edit these out sometime soon next, I think.

Let me know if I'm missing something obvious, I'm just writing how I see some of it to confirm from someone like you with more experience.

The ASC may be a bit off for all I know, but it did for my purposes for now. My pattern had Scorpio attractions, Aquarius/Uranus/Saturn things and that hint of Cancer in the mix. He seems to be an 8th house Cancer Sun with the Sun-Saturn trine his Scorpio Ascendant, Uranus and Eros in his 11th. My secondary 7th and 8th were my 11th house in Taurus, 11th house cusp near his DC, just for starters. My Mars and Psyche are in his 7th, too.

A Taurus DC would seem to vibe with my 2nd house Sun, right? His 8th starts from Gemini so Mercury in Gem rules, and the secondary 8th house is his third house then, right? His third cusp seems to be conjunct my 6 Aqua DC if nothing else, and my Moon falls in his big secondary 8th house. My Moon is in my own 8th as well, there being a lot of similar mirroring somewhere in the charts.

He has a lot of Cancer in his chart and the whole sign falls in his 8th house, for example. We'd seem to have a weird pattern of my 2nd house Leo Sun opposite my 8th house Pisces Moon vibing with his being an 8th house Cancer Sun tied to his Moon in Leo. Our Venuses are also in opposite houses in our respective charts, mine in third and his in 9th, and whatever else I briefly noted.

If you count the Saturn as my partial DC-ruler and go by my Moon in 8th and the 4th house planets, I guess that accounts for a Cancer match to his chart as said. My Leo ASC, Sun and Juno get some influence from his Moon, exactly conjunct my ASC? If I saw it right, we also have 8th house rulers (Uranus, Merc) trine and my 7th ruler sextile his 7th ruler (Uranus, Venus). My 5th ruler Pluto is sextile his Leo Moon and square his Cancer Juno, the sign of Cancer all falling inside his 8th house as said.

There are quite a lot of exact synastry contacts for the rest as well, with my Moon opposite his Venus and my Venus trine his Mars, for starters. My Sun/Moon midpoint is conjunct his SN and his Sun/Moon midpoint has my Saturn there. Sun sextile Mercury happens both ways, too, and his Psyche/Ceres is conjunct my SN. I imagine someone might see some mirroring also in the fact that I have Sun conjunct Karma and he has Moon conjunct Karma, given our respective Leo and Cancer sun signs. He's 1,5 months older than me, so the Valentines are exactly conjunct more so due to his being Retrograde. My Amor-Osiris trines his Sun, his Mars-Isis trines my Venus and his Amor trines my NN by 2, whatever their worth.

His Taurus Mars in his sixth house may also vibe with my Virgo Venus otherwise, I imagine. His 5th cusp is Aries so Mars should rule that, same as my Venus rules my 11th (secondary 7th and 8th). I imagine my Moon in 8th and Pluto as my 5th ruler would help vibe with his Scorpio ASC stuff? Maybe even when his 4th house is in Pisces and 12th in Scorpio, to echo with my 8th house Pisces Moon?

People don't seem to much use the East Point, but if I have those right, we have East Point conjunct Vertex both ways likewise. My East Point is 2 degrees from his Vertex, his EP about a degree from my Vertex. Or to put it another way, we'd have Vertex square MC both ways. As said, the Antiscia of my ASC/DC are 23 Taurus and Scorpio - so depending on how accurate his Ascendant is, the ASCs are opposites via the solstice points.

It's mostly funny because in our talks he's offered some passing hints of his interactions with his new girlfriend as well, and I've mostly had to go "That'd be fine with me at least". For example, without his knowing anything about my mythology interest, he brought up an Egyptian style ring that was going to be a present to his girlfriend. He doesn't know enough about me to cater to my interests or likes by design and yet he's as if automatically seemed to match a lot of things that I like in merely talking about his new relationship or whatever else we've chatted about during our renewed acquaintance. So it was funny to finally see the chart and go "Ah" for a confirmation this last week. I can see why I'd have liked him long ago already, although I'm currently not that fussed over him either given the circumstances and timing not matching.

posted August 29, 2013 03:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Garnet75:
Are trines, sextiles, and even oppositions in synastry between the planets and houses (5th, 7th, 8th houses)significant helping two people bond together romantically?

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Unrelatedly, going by what you/Lotis White wrote higher up to sugarnfeist:

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
"Your 5th house is Leo, ruled by the Sun in Pisces in the 11th house. The Moon in Virgo also sits in the 5th house.
You may often find yourself attracted to those that have a Leo/Sun/5th house theme running through their charts.

Planets in Cancer, the 4th house, or a strong Moon in a guys natal chart may attract you too because of the Moon being located in your 5th house. "

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Theoretically speaking:

I have Neptune in (intercepted Sag in) my 5th house, so I might feel an occasional lean toward things in my (Cancerian) 12th house? Especially with my Scorpio 5th house pointing toward 8th house things and my Moon in Pisces in 8th leading to more circular motion with those. My 8th is my secondary 5th house so the Moon in there emphasizes Cancer/4th house for both 8th and 5th house matters, right?

Likewise, the guy I mentioned has Jupiter in his 5th house so he could exhibit a possible liking for things in his 9th house? It's funny actually, since his Sun-Saturn is in my 12th and my Sun is in his 9th.

My DC-ruler Uranus is in Libra and 11th cusp in Taurus, both tying to Venus. His DC-ruler is Venus, tying to Taurus and Libra, and his 11th cusp is in Libra. Echoes like that likely wouldn't hurt, wouldn't you say?

posted August 30, 2013 07:17 PM            

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I've noticed that with a lot of those men, I ended up being the one who made the first move. ... Am I acting out my DSC? In female friends, though, it totally does show up. Odd to see such a difference. I just wonder how strong it is, if those duad infuences are more subtle.

Again, thank you so much for your thought-out reply.

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Your Welcome!!

Actually seeing as I’m in the mood I’ll give an overview of the 7th house to help answer your Dsc question, and for everyone else as well.

But first… About not pulling in your Dsc sign for love partnerships. As long the partner has some connection to your 7th house, this doesn’t matter. So if they vibe more with your 7th house ruler, or 7th house planets, more then your 7th house sign, that’s fine. In my case I’m rarely attracted to my Dsc sign either. It’s Gemini, but Mercury is in Sagittarius, and Jupiter is in the 7th house. I love Sagittarius energy in others, and am drawn to it more often then Gemini. I CAN still be attracted to Gemini energy, and I have been at times. It’s just that the Sag part seems to be more dominating.

Now about the 7th house…

Yeah, I think you might be right about sometimes acting out the Dsc. Although the Dsc shows what we’re attracted to, it also to some extent shows how we act when we’re in ‘relating mode‘. The 7th house is the Venus/Libra house and shows how we’ll likely behave when we’re actively trying to entice the company of others, especially when we want to make social situations flow, or we see the person we’re relating to as a potential partner.

And about you Dsc showing up in female friends. This actually fits pretty well. Usually we think of the Dsc as referring to a marriage partner because the Dsc is said to relate to the most significant ‘others’ we have in life. The 7th house also refers to partnerships in general, like our best friends, or those even those we have some type of official or business partnership with.

The Dsc can show who we like and feel affection for. It can also refer to partnerships that have some type of official, publicly recognized or legal ‘stamp’ on them, where two people are seen in society as a ‘pair’. Obviously marriage counts for this, as do business partnerships. In a more informal sense, best friends and girlfriends/boyfriends fit into this category as well. There’s no formal contract but most people who know you would know who you’re best friends/love interests are.

Publicly recognized enemies also are a 7th house thing, if it’s one of those case’s where everybody has a fair idea of who you have major disagreements with. The 7th house can refer to views that oppose your own, and debate and negotiation… However depending on synastry, sometimes debates don’t always go well… I think you catch my drift (the 12th house refers to our secret enemies as well as our secret supporters, which is a whole other thing).

Libra/7th house energy can be super sweet, charming, and adorable, when it’s in enticement mode… But Libra is also the sign of debate, and can quite firm about what they consider ‘fair’. The sugary part of the 7th house is only part of the story. Marriage for example, can often start off with attraction. But to last it also requires compromise, and a willingness to do our fair share in the relationship.

posted August 30, 2013 07:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Leocassandra:
IMO in romantic synastry there need to be at least one planet in the other person water houses. Most likely in 4th or 8th

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posted August 30, 2013 09:49 PM            

Yeah, well it’s true that astrology can show an attraction but that doesn’t necessarily mean that the two people are ‘meant to’ be or something (And if there’s an astro way to tell this, it remains unknown).

As to why there’s an attraction in the first place… Yeah, it’s pretty obvious even just from synastry.

As you mentioned, there’s Venus opposite Moon, and Venus trine Mars. There’s also DW Mercury/Sun sextiles which make for a nice banter. And assuming his birth time is correct his Leo moon is conjunct your Asc which definitely causes a first to feel somewhat familiar to you, and makes them stand out and grab your attention.

About Neptune being in the 5th house, I actually think this would attract you more to Neptune/Pisces energy then Cancer itself… In terms of characteristics I mean. Your attraction to Cancer energy comes from your 7th house/8th house co-rulers in the 4th house and in Cancer. Your Moon in the 8th house, and 5th house ruler Pluto in the 4th house, would also contribute to an attraction to Cancer energy on a symbolic level. However, if Scorpio is this guy’s rising sign then Neptune falls into the 1st house anyway. This would add a Neptune-like vibe to his persona and fit the Neptune in your pattern.

With house synastry stuff, assuming his Birth time is correct, the Scorpio Asc would vibe with your Scorpio 5th house, and his Cancer Sun in the 8th would vibe with both your 7th house, and the 5th house. Most women to some extent are also drawn to the energy of their Sun’s natal location, so his Leo moon would have it’s appeal to you as well.

His Gemini Mercury trines your 7th house ruler Uranus, and nicely misses the square with Saturn (unlike Libra or Cancer planets when conjunct your 7th house co-rulers, Uranus in Libra and Saturn in Cancer). With Taurus on the 11th house cusp as your secondary 7th and 8th houses (with Aquarius on the cusp of both the 7th and 8th houses), the Venus/Mars trine becomes especially significant. His Mars trine your Venus is also his Mars trine your secondary 7th and 8th house ruler. Interestingly, his Mercury falls into your secondary 7th and 8th house (the 11th house). And his Venus and Mars positions symbolically match well with it. Your have Taurus on the 11th house cusp ruled by Venus in Virgo… He has Venus in Virgo and Mars in Taurus… There’s a good sign/energy match there.

I think all of this pretty well explains the attraction from your end. From his end I have to go from the basis that his birth time is correct, and from your post I wasn’t able to tell if it was an estimate or if you knew for sure.

Anyway, there is some evidence of an attraction from his side, but since you have both a Leo Sun and Asc I’d have liked to have seen a stronger ‘Leo-ish’ vibe to his 5th, 7th, 8th house pattern. There is some symbolic Leo energy showing in his pattern but with a double Leo girl I keep feeling as if I’d want to see more of it… Like Leo on the cusp of one of the love houses, or one of the rulers in Leo, or Sun (not confused/mixed with other energies) dominating one of the love houses, or the secondary 7th house involving the sign Leo. If you only had Sun in Leo this wouldn’t concern me so much… Although, I suppose it’s possible that his Moon in Leo could make up for this.

What his chart does show in favor of Leo is, he has Sun in the 8th house. Mercury and Saturn are also in the 8th house. So the energy here shows conflicting desires. He wants Saturn’s firmness, but he also wants the fire of the Sun, and the lightness of Mercury, in intimate relationships.

On a positive note with regard to this, your Mars in Gemini would vibe very well with his 8th house and his 7th house. Your Mars, which is your ‘hot energy’ falls into his 7th house (Starting in Taurus and ending in Gemini), and matches the energy pattern of his 8th house (Gemini on the cusp ruled by Mercury also in Gemini). As do your Venus and Mercury in the 3rd house, they match symbolically. Your Moon in the 8th house would match with his 8th house ruler in the 8th symbolically as well.

His secondary Dsc is the 2nd house (because he has a Taurus Dsc). He has Sagittarius on the 2nd house cusp ruled by Jupiter in Aries in the 5th house. This is the other ‘Leo’ signification showing in his pattern. The secondary 7th house ruler being in the 5th house.

A Note about rulers in houses: In terms of what characteristics we’re attracted, houses to are a weaker influence then signs or planets in the 5th, 7th, 8th house pattern. No doubt they influence our taste! But a houses influence on a planet is like that looking at something from behind stained glass. The house will influence how a planet expresses itself much like a transparent film of color influences our perception. On the other hand, the sign of a planet is like a fully fleshed out image painted on a wall. The sign is the dominating influence, and full-story, of how a planet expresses itself. So in our 5th, 7th and 8th house patterns, while I see the house of house rulers as an important part of attraction, the signs associated with these houses, and planets in these houses, will be more dominating in influence.

His secondary 7th house ruler in the 5th house is helpful in his attraction to your Leo energy, but there would be other ‘priorities’ in his love pattern that concern him more.

Like I said before though, there’s still his Moon to consider…

His Moon in Leo is one nice factor for increasing his attraction to your Leo energy. The Moon is a female significatior and would enhance his pull to Leo females regardless of his house placements. Leo energy, in a females, touches something deeply embedded within his private self. He recognizes it, knows it, and is drawn to it. Leo energy on a female would make him feel secure, and nurtured, and in turn, inspires his own desire to nurture, give comfort, and protect.

Also when we look at his 7th house, he has Taurus on the cusp ruled by Venus in Virgo. This matches very well with your own Venus in Virgo symbolically. And the fact that his 7th house ruler is opposite hour Moon, super tight, is a big factor in chemistry between you. This would tend to create a lot of warm, fuzzy feelings between you.

His 5th house ruler ties very well with your Venus as well. Aries is on the 5th house cusp, and Mars in Taurus rules his 5th house and trines your Virgo Venus. Yup, this is another strong chemistry generating aspect between you, indicating that he may admire the way you present your feminine energy/Venus. Your Jupiter in his 5th conjunct his own Jupiter is a very happy influence, and you may a have a natural ability to make him feel optimistic and confident, and this would attract him to you.

He has Taurus associated with both his 7th and 5th houses in his chart. This does go well with your 2nd house Sun/Asc ruler, not as fully as the sign Taurus, but a connection is definitely there and probably felt.

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People don't seem to much use the East Point, but if I have those right, we have East Point conjunct Vertex both ways likewise. My East Point is 2 degrees from his Vertex, his EP about a degree from my Vertex. Or to put it another way, we'd have Vertex square MC both ways. As said, the Antiscia of my ASC/DC are 23 Taurus and Scorpio - so depending on how accurate his Ascendant is, the ASCs are opposites via the solstice points.

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I always check out the East Point/West Point Axis. However, you're right it that it seems to be a largely neglected Axis!

By comparison...

The Vertex Axis has to do with a feeling of fatedness, synchronicity, and wish fulfillment… Vertex Axis synastry adds a 'meant to be' to vibe to the relationship, and a feeling that there is meaning and significance to it. Whereas the East Point/West Point Axis relates to our idealized notions of how things should be, our personal biases, and our self-evaluation. This Axis is associated with our personal ideals of paradise and perfection, skewed or not (depends on the person). Synastry involving the East Point/West Point Axis supposedly gives the feeling that the other person is 'perfect' in some way. Or that they behave in just the 'right' way. Or that they fit how people in general are 'supposed' to be. Synastry with this this Axis also shows how others influence our subjective self-evaluation, when comparing ourselves to people who aspect our Ep/Wp, and adopting or disgarding arbitrary biases (personal likes/disllikes).

If the Vertex Axis is the 'axis of fate', then the Ep/Wp is the axis of 'biased Views on perfection'. 'Bias' is not always a bad word. Most people have certain things that they favor over other things in various areas of life. It's natural to have favorites and pet peeves, as well as our own personal views on what 'perfection' is. The Ep/Wp Axis gives us a direct astrological line to these preferences.