posted September 02, 2013 09:01 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
And assuming his birth time is correct his Leo moon is conjunct your Asc which definitely causes a first to feel somewhat familiar to you, and makes them stand out and grab your attention.

About Neptune being in the 5th house, I actually think this would attract you more to Neptune/Pisces energy then Cancer itself… ... However, if Scorpio is this guy’s rising sign then Neptune falls into the 1st house anyway. This would add a Neptune-like vibe to his persona and fit the Neptune in your pattern.

From his end I have to go from the basis that his birth time is correct, and from your post I wasn’t able to tell if it was an estimate or if you knew for sure.

There is some evidence of an attraction from his side, but since you have both a Leo Sun and Asc I’d have liked to have seen a stronger ‘Leo-ish’ vibe to his 5th, 7th, 8th house pattern. There is some symbolic Leo energy showing in his pattern but with a double Leo girl I keep feeling as if I’d want to see more of it… Although, I suppose it’s possible that his Moon in Leo could make up for this.

What his chart does show in favor of Leo is, he has Sun in the 8th house. Mercury and Saturn are also in the 8th house. So the energy here shows conflicting desires. He wants Saturn’s firmness, but he also wants the fire of the Sun, and the lightness of Mercury, in intimate relationships.

On a positive note with regard to this, your Mars in Gemini would vibe very well with his 8th house and his 7th house. Your Mars, which is your ‘hot energy’ falls into his 7th house, and matches the energy pattern of his 8th house. As do your Venus and Mercury in the 3rd house, they match symbolically. Your Moon in the 8th house would match with his 8th house ruler in the 8th symbolically as well.

His secondary Dsc is the 2nd house. He has Sagittarius on the 2nd house cusp ruled by Jupiter in Aries in the 5th house. This is the other ‘Leo’ signification showing in his pattern.

A Note about rulers in houses:
In terms of what characteristics we’re attracted to, houses are a weaker influence then signs or planets in the 5th, 7th, 8th house pattern. So in our 5th, 7th and 8th house patterns, while I see the house of house rulers as an important part of attraction, the signs associated with these houses, and planets in these houses, will be more dominating in influence.

His secondary 7th house ruler in the 5th house is helpful in his attraction to your Leo energy, but there would be other ‘priorities’ in his love pattern that concern him more.

His Moon in Leo is one nice factor for increasing his attraction to your Leo energy. The Moon is a female significatior and would enhance his pull to Leo females regardless of his house placements. Leo energy, in a female, touches something deeply embedded within his private self. He recognizes it, knows it, and is drawn to it. Leo energy on a female would make him feel secure, and nurtured, and in turn, inspires his own desire to nurture, give comfort, and protect.

... the fact that his 7th house ruler is opposite your Moon, super tight, is a big factor in chemistry between you.

His 5th house ruler ties very well with your Venus as well. ... indicating that he may admire the way you present your feminine energy/Venus.

He has Taurus associated with both his 7th and 5th houses in his chart. This does go well with your 2nd house Sun/Asc ruler, not as fully as the sign Taurus, but a connection is definitely there and probably felt.

The Vertex Axis has to do with a feeling of fatedness, synchronicity, and wish fulfillment… Vertex Axis synastry adds a 'meant to be' to vibe to the relationship, ... Whereas the East Point/West Point Axis relates to our idealized notions of how things should be ...

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Thank you for the far more thorough look at things than I thought it'd be. That's much appreciated and likely to be helpful one way or another. His time of birth is based on his memory, what he thought it was, so I'm giving it some leeway as being possibly inaccurate despite getting it from the person involved. The house cusps didn't seem to be in threat of going to other signs for the most part and the time may or may not even be 100% right, too. I'm not going to pester anyone about checking such additionally straight after if not into astrology, but will hopefully get it confirmed sometime.

As said, he's newly involved with someone else so even if I fit his patterns better still, our involvement remains on other levels for the time being at least. If my text at all seemed to talk about "meant to be"s, that was inadequacy at phrasing then and to clarify, not intended.

It's probably pretty mercurial in nature for now, or with Mercury, perhaps some Uranus (higher "octave" of Mercury?), Jupiter and Venus in the mix? Venus-Mars probably mostly shows in his not seeming to shy away from mentions of sex in general, and the ASC-Moon perhaps in his seeming to be more open even about personal topics to me than the other people we've been around the past couple of weeks. Some resonance is clear and he's sought me out an unexpected amount really, so it's interesting to look at.

As for his Merc in Gemini, he's into games (cards, chess and such) and I think my 11H Mars in Gemini responds to such as well as our Sun sextile Mercurys. Another way to look at it is that it's for now as if a very sextile sort of an association, not necessarily on a major conjunction level or anything. As to Gemini, I was always partial to smart men, although a liking for Mercury style things doesn't automatically mean that a person is highly intelligent otherwise as well I guess. The right sense of humour is actually a far better aphrodisiac in my case, but I imagine that's common among women in any case.

Also; "His secondary 7th house ruler in the 5th house is helpful in his attraction to your Leo energy" = my secondary 7th/8th ruler (Venus) on my third house cusp equals to some further attraction to Gemini, Merc or third house energies? I think it's more difficult for me to discern since it's Virgo already, anyway, so I like Mercury one way or another.

I'm aware I have a liking for some Pisces, so I think I mostly omitted that side of the Neptune in 5th influence and asked about the possible further 12th house vibes on top. What you wrote about his Neptune in his first house matching my Neptune-vibes I hadn't considered though, so I'll have to keep an eye on such things in any future charts looked at. Thank you for that "tip" as well as the "2nd cusp in Sag, ruled by Jupiter in 5th" side look. While I know my Venus rules my secondary 7th from another sign, other people's secondary 7th house rulers seem easy to forget.

As for his birth time being right, there are some double whammy style things that make you suspect it is, but we'll see. It just gets tempting if you consider my Moon being ~52 degrees away from his Jupiter, making for the septile, and my Jupiter being double that from his 7 Leo Moon position, so a biSeptile? Very small aspects, but when there are a lot of such repeating planetary contacts it's as if the same kind of energies or things were going around the charts or in synastry. There's repetition also in my Mars square his Venus when his trines my Venus more exactly, and my Uranus sextile his Venus gets matched by my Venus forming another septile to his Uranus. Septiles have been jotted as Neptunian, psychic or creative, "inner planes" operation style aspects to me, but I do think I notice even such smaller aspects in some form somewhere down the line.

You brought up the Leo Moon as possibly not being enough Leo on his end, but I wonder what it all does when sextile my 5th ruler Pluto and trine my Neptune in 5th on top. What would you say about his Mars square his Moon and my ASC/DC? We both have a natal Moon square Mars, but his Mars hits more in my chart with the trine to Venus and square to my DC both. My 5th ruler Pluto trines my own DC as well and since the DOBs are only 1,5 months apart it's the same with his. He has Mars inconjunct both the Plutos as well, so his 5th ruler makes that aspect to my 5th ruler on top.

I'm also not sure how much bearing his Saturn being quindecile/165 from my Aqua DC would have. Threads here bring up obsession or compulsion in relation to that aspect in any case. I think the only similar aspect to him is from my Mars to his Ascendant. My Pluto and Venus are both possibly quindecile his IC and our Vertexes are quindecile each other. For example, his SN is quindecile our shared Valentines. As said, no idea how much something like that influences anything.

(Ignore the above if too much, I tend to poke at things to the end.)

Whatever the synastry patterns, I also find it interesting that with Moon in my 8th and Sun-Saturn in his 8th, in my case it was my mother who recently died and in his case his father.

posted September 10, 2013 12:59 PM            

I have a Taurus Venus and Descenant and a second house stellium. Which includes antivertex at 0º cap, Uranus at 0º cap, Saturn at 1º cap, mars at 9º cap, and Neptune at 9º cap.

In my tenth house (secondary mars and secondary antivertex) i can find my bfs venus and mars conjunction. And my vertex axis hit his IC and MC by 1º.

My vertex house ruler has my sun, nn, and pof

Boyfriends decendant and vertex is in pisces and he has his venus and mars conj in twelveth! His venus and mars and antivertex are in virgo so in his 6th house you'd find my sun, nn, and pof.

In his 8th house you will find his juno, my venus, his moon and my descendant all in Taurus. In his 2nd house he has sun conjunct pluto and my moon conjunct his saturn, plus my pluto.

posted September 11, 2013 08:25 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Your Welcome!!

Actually seeing as I’m in the mood I’ll give an overview of the 7th house to help answer your Dsc question, and for everyone else as well.

But first… About not pulling in your Dsc sign for love partnerships. As long the partner has some connection to your 7th house, this doesn’t matter. So if they vibe more with your 7th house ruler, or 7th house planets, more then your 7th house sign, that’s fine. In my case I’m rarely attracted to my Dsc sign either. It’s Gemini, but Mercury is in Sagittarius, and Jupiter is in the 7th house. I love Sagittarius energy in others, and am drawn to it more often then Gemini. I CAN still be attracted to Gemini energy, and I have been at times. It’s just that the Sag part seems to be more dominating.

Now about the 7th house…

Yeah, I think you might be right about sometimes acting out the Dsc. Although the Dsc shows what we’re attracted to, it also to some extent shows how we act when we’re in ‘relating mode‘. The 7th house is the Venus/Libra house and shows how we’ll likely behave when we’re actively trying to entice the company of others, especially when we want to make social situations flow, or we see the person we’re relating to as a potential partner.

And about you Dsc showing up in female friends. This actually fits pretty well. Usually we think of the Dsc as referring to a marriage partner because the Dsc is said to relate to the most significant ‘others’ we have in life. The 7th house also refers to partnerships in general, like our best friends, or those even those we have some type of official or business partnership with.

The Dsc can show who we like and feel affection for. It can also refer to partnerships that have some type of official, publicly recognized or legal ‘stamp’ on them, where two people are seen in society as a ‘pair’. Obviously marriage counts for this, as do business partnerships. In a more informal sense, best friends and girlfriends/boyfriends fit into this category as well. There’s no formal contract but most people who know you would know who you’re best friends/love interests are.

Publicly recognized enemies also are a 7th house thing, if it’s one of those case’s where everybody has a fair idea of who you have major disagreements with. The 7th house can refer to views that oppose your own, and debate and negotiation… However depending on synastry, sometimes debates don’t always go well… I think you catch my drift (the 12th house refers to our secret enemies as well as our secret supporters, which is a whole other thing).

Libra/7th house energy can be super sweet, charming, and adorable, when it’s in enticement mode… But Libra is also the sign of debate, and can quite firm about what they consider ‘fair’. The sugary part of the 7th house is only part of the story. Marriage for example, can often start off with attraction. But to last it also requires compromise, and a willingness to do our fair share in the relationship.

The 7th house overall refers to publicly recognized one on one relationships, and the most significant ‘others’ in our lives.

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Again, sorry for taking me so long. Thanks for your reply.

It's bizarre how there's such a preference in ruler/planet/sign. I am attracted to my sign, lots of celebrities I thought were good-looking turned out to have an Aries sun or moon, but it hasn't played out like that in real life. So like you, one of the other influences is stronger. I'm thinking it may be that I'm an air void, so the 11th house (Aquarius) and Mars-Mercury (Gemini) is just so strong! And my 1st house being Libra.

That totally fits! I often do feel like once I've finally made up my mind about someone (which takes me long with all that Virgo/Libra rising, mind), I really want things to go somewhere. If they seem shy, I kind of adapt to that, thinking they might want me to take the lead and take some pressure off them.

Wow, this is amazing... but yes, my favourite type of people to work together with are very take-charge, they get things done, come up with ideas. It's very dynamic and I usually end up calling them a "partner". Those female friends are very much like that, too. Thanks, this honestly makes that distinction between this and the 11th house so clear.
As for the informal context, would that be the people who would openly call you their (best) friend or boy/girlfriend?

Disagreements for "open enemy", I guess so. Anyone with an extremely quick temper gets on my nerves quickly. Someone who disagrees with everything, has the talent for turning everything into an argument, cuts people off and butts in on conversations, yeah, those are people I will publically get frustrated with. They definitely have different values. Interesting you talked about the 12th house, my Mercury rules it. I do feel like I never see any enemies/opponents coming, it's always someone I never would've expected it from. And when it comes down to it, I can never really count on someone to support me, it's like even the most forward, fighter types (who I thought, out of all people, would do something to help me) leave me to fend for myself. If I ever get support, it happens offscreen, often without me even knowing. I've often been so sad about it, wondering what on earth I have to do to get people to back me up directly, and so make me feel less alone.

But alright, this thread wasn't about that. I definitely have some things I consider fair and while I know lots of things in life won't be, it does make me angry and upset. If I stick up for myself, it's usually about being left on my own or not feeling like things are happening equally.