posted December 28, 2010 04:44 PM            

Are you saying HE feels it as much as I do?"...Ami Anne

Well Ami Anne, I would have to know more than I know at this point to form an opinion on your question.

Here's some questions you could answer...if you wish...which might be helpful.

Is there an actual relationship...other than a casual friendship?

Tell me about aspects between your/his Sun to Moon and/or Moon to ASC. Possible love aspects

Tell me about aspects between your/his Venus to Mars and/or Pluto. Possible Physical attraction

Tell me about aspects between your/his Moon to Mars, and/or Pluto and/or ASC. Possible physical attraction

Tell me about aspects between your/his Sun, Moon, Venus to Saturn. The ties which tend to bind relationships.

posted December 28, 2010 04:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Lonake---You Self Actualization is showing

Jwop
May I ask you a question,please.My Venus, Sun ,Moon and Merc are in his 12th house.

Are you saying HE feels it as much as I do?

Thank you so much !

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Ami.. Pisces Sun,Mercury,mars are in my 12th.. OMG boyyeeeeee do I feel it!!!!
You know how crazy this guy has made me..

To be honest though, he has no clue, what effect he has on me.... You guys here on LL know more than he does... lol....
I guess thats also apart of the secretive thing... I have a really really really bad fear of rejection with him.. So I just dont say/ or tell him anything...

posted December 28, 2010 04:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by BearsArcher:
[b] I read and digested your post the first time. Please do not take me as a newbie, which I think you and many have (because I changed my username). I do not believe that falling in love is projection. Being attracted and infatuated IS projection, possibly but falling in love is the act in which we are satifying certain needs, BEING in love mean those needs are met and we are in sync with the other.

Now.. back to your response to me... really? I am LMAO right now because of your responses in SPITR- I value some of what you say but I have also seen that you treat "newbies" so differently than those that have been here for a LOOOOOONG while.

Been here for 8 years +... guess I know something about Astro right?

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Being honest with you doesn't mean that I am angry with you. You do have a very pointed tone in your posts, as do I. However, you can also be very dismissive to people and I pointed that out. As to my comment about being sarcastic, that was in the other thread. I absolutely stand by my response to you that I quoted from your post.

Being a Mod doesn't mean I am not allowed to have a voice nor does it mean I have to tread lightly with people. If you believe that changes your opinion of me, then so be it. If you want to post more derogatory posts towards me, go ahead, I won't delete them nor will I fight to get you banned because of them. I don't get bent out of shape when someone exercises their free speech- whether it is something I want to read or not.

posted December 28, 2010 07:32 PM            

Tell me what you think of this:
My Jupiter (which is his chart ruler, 1H, and 2H ruler) conjunct his descendent.

My 7H ruler trine his 7H/8H ruler (they're the same)

My 7H ruler trine his 5H ruler (which happens to be my chart & 1H ruler)

My 5H ruler trine his 3H ruler

His 7/8H ruler conjunct my 12H ruler

His 7/8H ruler conjunct my MC

My 5H ruler trine his Venus (co-ruler of 6H)

My 7H co-ruler trine his 12H co-ruler

posted December 28, 2010 09:19 PM            

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Originally posted by BearsArcher:
If you want to post more derogatory posts towards me, go ahead

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Bears, if you have a personal problem with the way you perceive me to treat others, then bring it up in LLC2, not on an unrelated Astro thread.

And I wouldn't go throwing around the term derogatory when it's unsubstantiated, back your claim up with how rotten I was to you by linking to a thread and then you'll receive a response to that claim.

posted December 31, 2010 05:34 PM            

Lotis White-

Tell me what you think of this:
My Jupiter (which is his chart ruler, 1H, and 2H ruler) conjunct his descendent.

My 7H ruler trine his 7H/8H ruler (they're the same)

My 7H ruler trine his 5H ruler (which happens to be my chart & 1H ruler)

My 5H ruler trine his 3H ruler

His 7/8H ruler conjunct my 12H ruler

His 7/8H ruler conjunct my MC

My 5H ruler trine his Venus (co-ruler of 6H)

My 7H co-ruler trine his 12H co-ruler

Hey there little cloud, sorry took me a while to come back around to this thread. Well the first thing I want to mention is that for ‘house ruler’ synastry I use really tight orbs (within three degrees), unless it’s a angular house involved, in which case I’d stretch it to about 5 degrees or so. Of course some aspects can be felt with wider orbs than this but they are usually not that significant in the grand scheme of things unless they fit into these parameters. For the aspects you mentioned I’ll just assume that the orbs are tight in the interp.

My Jupiter (which is his chart ruler, 1H, and 2H ruler) conjunct his descendent.

For this aspect I’d be interested to know what house cusp Jupiter rules in your chart to get to the core of what this means. For his chart ruler in your natal conjunct his descendent, the Asc is like the action and the Dsc is like the reaction, so when he acts towards you in his Jupiter-like way you would typically throw back towards him a similar Jupiter type response, making Jupiter-like themes important in your one on one interactions. There is probably a happy-go-lucky, excited vibe in how your respond to each other. You may joke around a lot and he may feel you ‘get’ him in a humorous, enthusiastic kind of way. It’s easy to have fun together, and you’re like good news to each other at the end of a long hard day. You may feel free to voice your opinions to him, especially on such things as morality and beliefs, and may often find his actions funny or amusing. He makes you smile. Jupiter can blow things out of proportion however. So during difficult transits, such as mars square his Asc/your Jupiter, disagreements may explode if not checked. If your feeling mad at a time like this I’d hold my temper until it passes. But, all in all this aspect is a very friendly and positive interaction, and indicates a genuine liking between you.

My 7H ruler trine his 5H ruler (which happens to be my chart & 1H ruler).

The 5th house ruler is about heartfelt passion and adoration. I think of it as like the house of ‘my special darling’ as it’s connected with how we feel about our children and someone with whom we are in love. It’s also about admiration and performance….basically it’s what we admire in others and how we show-off. The 7th house is about affection and liking. It has a very sweet vibe and shows what we need from others in order to feel complete, and the qualities we appreciate and like in one on one relationships.
A trine between your 7th ruler and his 5th ruler functions much like a trine between your Venus and his Sun. You are likely to appreciate the way he expressed himself, and to like his ’style’ , while he may admire your ability to relate, be impressed, and may often show-off for you in various ways in order to win your approval. There is a generalized feeling between you that this relationship in special, and a sweet loving feeling towards each other comes naturally.
If your Asc is the same as the sign on his 5th cusp this is good for attraction as it shows that your persona is romantically exciting to him.

My 5H ruler trine his 3H ruler

Kind of like Sun trine Mercury. You admire his ability to communicate and generally enjoy hearing what he has to say, drinking it all in. This boosts his confidence, and he loves that you have a genuine interest in him.

His 7/8H ruler conjunct my 12H ruler.

Pluto/Venus conjunct Neptune. Your dreams and fantasies resonate well with his desire to relate, and be intimate. This relationship may bring some fantasy image of yours to life. There is an unspoken acceptance between you, regarding your understanding of what he needs in this relationship, and his understanding of your secret vulnerability. You have compassion for each other are usually very comfortable alone together. Sometimes you may seem a little distant or aloof to him.

His 7/8H ruler conjunct my MC.

The MC represents qualities we aspire towards and long to embody in ourselves. It is also what we respect and look up to in others. His capacity to relate and be intimate has had a big impact on you, and you may feel he has been a guiding influence on you in this way. There is something about the way he conducts himself that you really respect, and you usually feel free to trust him to take the lead.

My 5H ruler trine his Venus (co-ruler of 6H).
This is almost like the reverse of his 5th house ruler and your 7th house ruler. It’s a symbolic double whammy. As much as you love his style, he loves yours also, and there is mutual appreciation and heartfelt expression between you. Affectionate liking and romance go hand in hand with this aspect. As for the 6th house connection…perhaps you have a beneficial effect on his health. Your appreciation of him may inspire him to get a job done (even when he doesn’t want to do it), and he may genuinely want to be helpful to you in some way. Love may be shown in practical ways so always remember to say ‘thank you’, as this would mean a lot to him.

My 7H co-ruler trine his 12H co-ruler.

This aspect is similar to ‘His 7/8H ruler conjunct my 12H ruler’. And is another symbolic double whammy. The relationship with you may bring some aspect of his fantasy world to life, and the unspoken connection between you is strengthened.

R & R. Drop me a line and let me know how these interps fit for you.

posted January 01, 2011 09:28 AM            

Especially that the Jupiter thing because I've had a hard time finding that with others. We have a very jolly attitude towards one another, always teasing and joking with each other.

My NN is right on his fifth house cusp and my ASC is the same as sign on his 5H cusp. His moon is the same sign as my asc but falls into the 12house too far from my asc, but I've always felt that it still somehow made a connection even if it wasn't direct.

My Jupiter is in my second house close to the the third house cusp.

posted January 01, 2011 11:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
About unrequited love…

From what I’ve noticed from lurking around at Lindaland, and just from life in general, it is quite common for aspects that are typically considered ‘romantic’ not to be felt mutually, and sometimes not even by one of the people involved. Perhaps there is an astrological reason for this that has not been discovered yet, or perhaps it has something to do with how house rulers aspect each other between charts, and what houses they fall in. There is no way to know for sure. What I do suspect is that in our life times we are fated to, or have the karma to, have certain kinds of relationships with the different people we cross paths with, and that the synastry we have with each person plays out according to connection we karmicly have to them. Like if you have a Venus/Pluto conjunction with your kung fu teacher, and you were only ever destined to teacher and student, this conjunction may only be about him teaching you how to kill gracefully. But if you have a Venus/Pluto conjunction with someone, and you were fated to be romantically involved it may be about the strength of your attraction to each other. In the case of an unrequited attraction, one person may be fated to feel it as a strong physical attraction while the other is fated to be indifferent, or even repulsed by the other. There is no aspect that guarantees that you will be loved or not by someone else.

However once the relationship ‘type’ between two individuals is in place I’ve seen that the relationship usually plays out according to themes and issues shown in synastry. For example if you had Venus/Mars with your grandma she may hug and kiss you a lot, and give you lots of advice about relationships and romance, but certainly you are not attracted to your grandma. This is not to say that intense attraction is not common in the right situations with Venus/Mars aspects. It’s just that there is some unknown factor at work, where sometimes an aspect will function in distinctly romantic/sexual way between two people, sometimes with only one of the people, and sometimes with neither. However the energies of these two planets will still be present in the relationship but they may just function in a more platonic way. Like with positive Venus/Mars there may simply be a mutual appreciation of some type of art, or an ability to work in physical harmony. I once had a yoga instructor who had Mars opposite my Venus and I did really respect him and see him as a strong and confident person, but I didn’t have the hots for him, even though he was quite handsome.

Not that I’ve got my ramble about karma and fate etc of my chest I do what to take a look at some real and valid astrological reasons for why sometimes attractions can be lop-sided. The first reason is really basic and obvious. Hard aspects between a ‘male’ planet and a ‘female’ planet. Now the tricky part with this one is that sometime hard aspects simply point to an attraction being really intense and dramatic. There are other instances though where, usually the person with the ‘female’ planet, feels turned off by the person with the ‘male’ planet, who insists on pursuing them despite their objections.
The second, and I think most important, reason for unrequited love has to do with house overlays, and the relationships between house rulers in synastry.
House related synastry has a very powerful effect on how relationships play out. And is a very common reason why you can be attracted to someone with whom you have weak synastry, or not be attracted to someone with whom you have strong synastry. The houses most connected with attraction between the sexes are the 5th, 7th & 8th.

The Dsc relates to…
Affection/liking/completion/marriage/the most significant other in life/

The 5th relates to…
Romance/adoration/courtship/the glamour of falling in love/

The 8th relates to…
Intimacy/sex/power balance/emotional and psychological merging/

If someone else’s natal chart matches the symbolism of these houses in your chart then an attraction may occur even if the synastry is weak. If the symbolism of someone’s chart doesn't match the symbolism of these houses there is unlikely to be an attraction even if the synastry is strong. When I speak of symbolism matching I’m referring to house related synastry in three main ways. 1: Important planets in someone else’s chart fall into your the 5th, 7th or 8th houses. 2: The rulers of your 5th , 7th, or 8th houses strongly aspect important parts of the other persons chart (if it’s vise versa THEY are more likely to be attracted to you). 3: the signs prominent in connection with your 5th,7th or 8th houses show up strongly in the other persons chart. E.g. you have a Capricorn Dsc ruled by Saturn in Gemini, with Scorpio on the 5th house cusp, and Jupiter in Aquarius in the 8th… and then you wind up with Scorpio Sun with Venus in Capricorn, Moon in Gemini and Sagittarius rising… the signs and planets from the other persons chart match what is shown on your 5th, 7th and 8th houses.

For each of these houses (the 5th, 7th & 8th) check the sign on the cusp and its ruler by sign, house, and aspect, as well as what planets are within that house. People whose natal charts reflect the symbolism pertaining to these houses are the ones who resonate most with your notions of the ideal mate. This is especially true with the 7th house. Being an angular house, and the house specifically concerned with significant ‘one on one’ relationships, any connection with this house opens the door to the possibility of a long-term co-existence. The 5th and the 8th houses add to the core influence of the 7th in terms of preferences regarding what excites you about others initially, and what you need to feel close. If someone were to activate your 5th or your 8th without also connecting to the 7th in some way, they may be viewed as temporary ‘fun’ (the 5th), or as someone to help usher you through some intense experiences in life (the 8th), but the bond is unlikely to be lasting. When other peoples’ planets activate these houses either by falling in the house itself, or aspecting its ruler, they stimulate feelings in you related to the theme of that house. In terms of aspects to the house ruler, the conjunction is the most potent because there is both energy (aspect) and a symbolism (sign) fusion between the planet and the house ruler. The more important the conjuncting planet is in the partners chart the more significant the connection is.

Where the topic of unrequited love shows up in all of this is that if the are strong connections between someone else’s 5th, 7th and 8th houses and your natal chart they are very likely to be attracted to you. If your 5th, 7th and 8th houses do not also connect with their charts you may not reciprocate their feelings. And vise versa of course. Sometimes both charts connect in this way but one persons chart connects way more powerfully then the other one. In these cases the attraction might be mutual, but one person might be far more infatuated than the other one. If the charts of both people have a strong symbolism matches to each other involving the 5th, 7th and 8th houses then wonderful. This is when two people are much more likely to have a rich and fulfilling romantic relationship that goes both ways.

That being said, if the planet synastry is weak (and by weak, I mean no typical ‘romance’ aspects Sun/Moon, Venus/Mars, Moon/Mars, Venus/Uranus, Sun/Venus, and Venus/Pluto) and you do have an attraction only because of house related synastry, that attraction might always be mild as there is no planet on planet action to really get the juices flowing. Planet on planet synastry can move things from a mere appreciation to a deeper level of involvement. If you only have house overlays and house sign matches to go by there may not be enough ‘energy flow’ between you to get the relationship off the ground. On the other side of the fence, I do believe it is also possible for a really strong and potent (very tight orb) 'romance aspect' to create an attraction even if the house connections for romantic feelings (the 5th, 7th & 8th houses) are weak. In these cases, however, the reaction is likely to be that although you can see the person in question as having a certain appeal on a physical level, you may feel they are not you're type in terms of personality. Like you can see and appreciate their beauty but feel they are not right for you.

Basically, my point is that the most intense attractions are created by a combination of the right planet on planet aspects, with strong and mutual house symbolism connections for the 5th, 7th and 8th houses between peoples charts. If An attraction based on house symbolism alone is mild and weak. But planet on planet ‘romance aspects’ aren’t enough to make someone feel as if they are your type without the relevant house connections. It’s a balancing act between these two factors. Good planet syanstry (typical romance aspects) is positive in any relationship but it may not have a sexual flavor unless two people’s house symbolisms connect in certain ways. If your partners 5th, 7th & 8th relate to your chart symbolically this will show how attracted to you they are likely to be.

Some other factors that I have noticed causing attraction, regardless of planet synastry, are hard aspects to the Vertex, especially the conjunction and opposition, and the partner's planets in the house symbolized by the Dsc sign. e.g. if you have an Aqua Dsc look at you 11th house to see if your partner has important planets in your 11th house, or if you have a Taurus Dsc look to see if your partners planets fall in you 2nd house etc. With regard to the nodes, connections to the south node represent the sheared past between you, and connections with the north node show how others help you grow forward.

Most recently I’ve been exploring the east point-west point axis, or the Equatorial Ascendant. I’ve been studying other astrologers work, and this axis seems to be connected to our idealized notions of how things should be and our personal biases. Where as the vertex is connected with a feeling of fatedness and synchronicity in relationships, the EP (east point) has to do with people who resonate with our personal preferences in some way. On a personal note I have was surprised to discover the quite a few of my most significant attractions had planets conjunct of oppose this axis. Going back to the subject of unrequited love, perhaps one person’s chart strongly aspects another persons Vertex and EP, While the other persons Vertex and EP remains untouched. An unrequited lover may think that It’s fate (the Vertex) that has brought a certain person into their life and feel that that person has many characteristics that resonate strongly with their personal preferences (the EP). Meanwhile, the other person in question feels none of these things with their unaspected Vertex and EP.

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posted January 01, 2011 11:15 AM            

Can I hire you as my personal astrologer? I was very impressed by your thorough review and accurate reading of most important factors in attraction.

Seriously, if you work as professional astrologer, I would like to have an appointment.

posted January 01, 2011 11:36 AM            

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Originally posted by LauraSmith:
In my experience it seems that the energy of the chart remains and when person A doesn't respond to person B the way the chart says- then person B ends up fulfilling Person A's role.

I've had the bad luck in my life to have sun conjunct uranus and lack of saturn with 2 men that otherwise matched my chart very well. Uranus conjunct sun means the uranus person (me) is unlikely to want to settle down in the relationship while the sun person wants something more stable. Well this was the case with us. However there came a time when I decided I should really grow up and try to be in a stable relationship... and as soon as I tried to have this all of a sudden the sun person who had been trying to get me to be stable took my place as the independant one who wants to go their own way. So they can definitely switch.

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posted January 01, 2011 02:18 PM            

NORDIC SOUL HOUSES

5th house cusp at 2 degrees virgo. Ruler square the following his vertex (0.02 orb) midheaven (0.12 orb)his chiron (0.41 orb)his venus (2.14 orb) his saturn (1.33 orb) his uranus (3.19 orb) sextile his mars (4 orb)

His venus, vertex, uranus, pluto, fall into my 5th house. Sun it is in my 5th house as well, but 2 degrees away from 6th house cusp.

7th house cusp at 9 degrees scorpio. Ruler conjunct his venus (1. 36 orb), semisextile his mars (0.10 orb) conjunct his uranus and pluto (orb within 2), sextile neptune (0.06)
His neptune in my seventh

My descendant scorpio. He has no planets in my 8th house

8th house at 8 degrees of sagitarious. Ruler oppose his 5h house ruler moon (1.06 orb) semisquare his 7th house ruler mercury (0.45 orb) oppose his AC (1 orb)

SIGNIFICANT OTHER HOUSES
5 house at 6 degrees cancer. Ruler oppose my 8th house ruler jupiter. Trine my mars (2.23 orb) my sun (3.24 orb) my venus (4.43 orb).

All my cancer stellium is in his 4th house (sun 3 degrees, mars 2 degrees, venus 5 degrees), but venus makes a conjunction to his 5th house cusp (within 2 degrees orb) and sun (within 4 degrees orb)

7 house at 2 degrees of virgo. Ruler conjunct my south node (0.22 orb), semisquare my 8th house ruler jupiter (0.45 orb)

My pluto-uranus is in his 7
His descendant in virgo. None of my planets fall into his 3rd house

8th house at 16 degrees of scorpio. Ruler quintile my venus widely (1.44 orb), my neptune falls into his 8th. The natural house

PLANETARY ASPECTS
His sun square my sun, venus, mars (tight orbs)oppose my chiron (0.11 orb)BQ my AC (exact) and trine my MC (0.52 orb)
My sun trine his moon (3.24 orb) semisquare his mars (1.26 orb) trines his AC (1.18 orb)

His moon oppose my jupiter, semisquare my north node, Trine my mars (2.23 orb) my sun (3.24 orb) my moon (4 orb) my venus (4.43 orb).
My moon square his saturn (0.32 orb) biquintile neptuno (exact) square his chiron (2.46 orb) his vertex (2.06 orb) trine his moon (4 orb) square his venus (4.18 orb)

His venus square my mercury (2 orb) my moon (4 orb) conjunct my pluto (1.36) uranus (3.22) and sextile neptune (2.14)
My venus semisquare his mars (0.07 orb) square his sun (1.56 orb) trine his moon (4.43 orb)quintile his pluto (1.44 orb) trine his AC (2.38) sescisquare neptune (0.10 orb)

Hi mars semisquare my sun (1.26 orb) semisquare my venus (0.07 orb) trine my saturn (3.51 orb)square my neptune (4 orb) semisextile my pluto (0.10 orb)
My mars square his sun (0.25 orb) trines his AC (1.18 orb) trine his moon (2.23 orb) semisquare his chiron (0.37 orb)

His vertex conjunct my uranus (1.10 orb)square my moon (2 orb), my mercury (exact), quincunx my saturn (0.07 orb) sextile my neptuno (exact)
My vertex has not contact with his planets

posted January 02, 2011 05:03 AM            

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Nordicsoul, I’ll respond to this on the ‘to Lotis White’ thread. Things are starting to get way off-topic for kfn327’s thread.

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posted January 02, 2011 06:51 AM            

In synastry with his unrequited gf her Virgo Saturn was in his 12th house, her Cap Sun conjunct his IC & his Virgo Venus in her 7th house. With these aspects love was still unrequited only friendship existed...not anymore though.

posted January 03, 2011 08:03 AM            

Composite Moon opposing Composite Saturn (nearly exactly).

Here is what CafeAstrology says about that aspect: Emotional separations, withdrawal, and distancing yourselves from one another are issues you will have to deal with over and over again in your relationship. You easily could simply pull away from one another in subtle ways, and grow increasingly cooler, more impersonal, and distant, leaving nothing more than a shell of a relationship with no life or feeling in it.

The other possibility is that you truly want to be together, but outside demands, commitments, or other pressing obligations prevent this. Unrequited yearning, unfulfilled emotional needs, a longing for closeness which simply doesn't happen - these are some of the undertones between you two.