posted November 30, 2014 03:46 PM            

His SNODE (17° Pisces) doesn't really hit anything. It's 7° from my DSC. Curiously, his girlfriend -- who, mark my words, will be his fiancée next year -- is also a 11° Virgo rising. I found that wild. So his SNODE is 6° from her DSC, and has a totally different effect.

Meanwhile, my SNODE is in the sign of his MOON, but not conjunct. Considerably off -- about 8°. But, again, I'm noticing that when things hit a 3H MOON (like we both have) there's a sibling or soul-family vibe.

posted November 30, 2014 04:25 PM            

In the composite we have a LOT gathered round the NN: Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Siva, Psyche

with Saturn being on the SN

The Sun-Saturn-opposition being exact.
Venus-Saturn opposition at 7 degrees and out of sign
Moon and Mercury clearly out of orb though

closest conjunction to NN is SIVA, but Sun is also just 3 degrees away, and on the exact solstic point of NN.

In fact the NN is right on the Sun/Moon-mp, the two planets that create the bracket/ frame to the line up of planets in 1st house: Moon on 22 SAgittarius, Sun on 01 Capricorn.

of course Venus is also quite near the NN (3 degrees).

- this is the result of the sort of DW of Saturn-SN-conjunction (my Saturn exact on his SN, his Saturn wide on my SN at 5 degrees) and a not quite DW of Venus-NN (his Venu on my NN by 3 degrees, my Venus too far form his NN - around 9 or 10 degrees).

It seems clear how the roles are divided, I mean it is HIS Venus on my NN, and MY Saturn on his SN.

posted November 30, 2014 05:15 PM            

Dunno if it's important but: my SN in the sign of his Vertex and his Vertex in the sign of SN.

posted November 30, 2014 05:51 PM            

Remember, his LEWISCARROLL's on my SNODE (with DAMOCLES, in case the message wasn't clear) with, of course my LEWISCARROLL/DESTINN in the sign of his SNODE, creating a symmetry. (My ACTOR's there, too, almost as a huge hint.)

But I don't count a 4° sextile, do you? Personally, it's just the 5° conjunction of his VENUS to my NNODE; namely due to the 2° conjunction to his KARMA.

Which is quirky anyway, yeah? NNODE conjunct KARMA. I get my KARMA on his SNODE (0°) but his KARMA on my NNODE?

It's a part of my evolution path and destiny to resolve his karma? If that's the case, I buy it.

And I think you nailed SCHRÖDINGER quite well, Ceri. I've often wondered if it's crucial that I help him understand his multidimensionality; grasp that it's not either / or but both and everything.

Around my birthday, he wrote a story which encompasses these themes. It was the same week I was delving into our synastry and learnt about the transdimensional cycle of violence. We both, independently, seemed to decide to end it here, choosing love, forgiveness, and dedicating instead.

To me, that's the VENUS/NNODE's operation in our synastry.

That which I've struggled over most is the answer to the question of 'why here? Why now?' but it seems that can only be 'love'. To love each other. Simple, and as difficult, as that.

We've certainly fought for it, too. But I feel we had to. Had we gone about this the usual way, we'd have learnt nothing -- and possibly avoided the biggest elements of our evolution. The things that HAD to change.

Maybe, because of our refusing to give up, we actually ARE being rewarded with a real chance to love each other. That would oddly make sense.

posted November 30, 2014 07:13 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Very interesting point...
I'm not a big fan of the idea that we want to leave our SN behind though. Sometimes we do, if it implies a difficult childhood/upbringing/past. But we still have to use what happens on the SN to move towards the NN< we can't ignore it. I think the South Node is, as you described, talents, abilities, behavioral patterns that come as a second nature to us, and there are two reasons for that: 1. they are innate abilities (talents); 2. they are inherited in connection to our upbringing. (leaving the karmic thing aside for now)

I very much liked your idea about these qualities being second nature to us and thus many times we take them for granted: it's a warning to not do that, to cherish our SN gifts.

My SN is in Gemini 5th, my duplicated house. I think I have many precious talents I sometimes took for granted, not feeling grateful enough or working to develop them, and people warned me about that, people working very hard to be able to do what it comes naturally to me. My SN also reflects my primary family upbringing with a huge interest in art and culture on all levels, an interest in learning, reading, news and what happens into the world, exchanges, interacting with people from various backgrounds etc. - I owe all this to my parents and the privilege I had to be born and brought up in this atmosphere, a privilege and a great luck I sometimes took for granted, until you discover what it means not to be raised in such an environment. Moon sextiles my SN (0) Saturn semisextiles it (1), to show this even more, especially my mother's influence.

I think it makes sense for us to reflect our SN, it's like the dowry chest, the hope chest we carry with us and yes, many times we take it for granted. But the others probably see it in us better than we do. It makes sense for someone who had a partner profile matching our SN to acknowledge and like our talents, abilities, habits. A planet there probably is very attracted to our SN, especially a love planet.

But there's an interesting question however: what happens if this hope chest we're carrying with us doesn't contain something good? and our best "talents" or our upbringing turned us into little monsters, which is usually not our fault? Would they still like us?

Before delving into the synastry part, I'd like to know what you think of my guy's configuration, since I'm still struggling to understand it: he has the SN in Gemini (9th) but his SN is 24 Gem, his MC 27 Gem and his Saturn 27 Gem. So he has the SN at the very end of his 9th house, basically on his MC, and Saturn on SN and MC. Saturn is the intercepted ruler of his 4th house. What do you think?

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Very nicely put LeeLoo,

I think I'm guilty of taking my 5th house Aries South Node for granted. When I said I prefer North Node conjunctions I meant only for love relationships. I think it's different with family relationships. My Dad had his Sun on my South Node, and this is very fitting for the childhood influences interpretation on the South Node. And that supportive, familiar feeling that comes from family and I got that from my Dad.

I think your right that we shouldn't just completely abandon our South Node talents in favor of the North Node. What I've noticed is that people seem to have their personal imbalance along the Nodal Axis. They feel comfortable and confident in their South Node because that orientation comes so naturally to them. And because of this they to operate from their South Node the majority of the time, and tend to neglect the North Node area of life/mode of operation. This is especially the case when people are young. Yes, I think our natural South Node talents and skills are like our personal 'dowry' that we can offer to others. But we can also get stuck too much in this mode...

The key here is not to abandon the South Node altogether, but to find ways to incorporate the North Node into our lives in a balanced way. We can keep our special South Node talents and skills, while at the same time embracing the exciting and new North Node.

Leeloo, about your guy… His South Node in Gemini in the 9th house near Saturn and the Mc seems to indicate that he’s good an accumulating information about 9th house issues, and good at communicating his views on these to other people. He is somehow able to instigate this ability with his reputation/career, and because of Saturn near the South Node, a good work ethic and respect for the duties of life might come naturally for him. This is just my guess.

Back to the Nodes and attraction…

When it comes to finding a partner, I think it's really great if that person can appreciate those natural South Node qualities that we posses which come so easily to us. And this is what happens when our South Node symbolism matches their attraction pattern as shown by their natal chart. We are often able to attract and impress with our South Node without even realizing we are doing so.

I think the North Node has a special role in attraction too. Many people are attracted to North Node because this opens up the door to growth for them, and shows them what it’s like to move out of their habitual comfort zone. The North Node can be fun, challenging, and thrilling. When we experience this energy it give us a feeling of accomplishment like we’re finally getting somewhere.

When our partner is able to give us our North Node through their natal chart we are able to learn things from them, and feel as if we’re making progress in life. I love this feeling, and that’s why I prefer conjunctions to the North Node in love relationships. My North Node is in Libra in the 11th house, ruled by Venus in Sagittarius in the 1st house. Planets on my North Node or my Venus give me that ‘moving forward’ feeling.

I think it’s possible that the South Node can attract as well but in a different way. Here the feeling is that we’re attracted to some familiar feeling we get from that person, we can feel as if we know them even if we just met. This this innate understanding there, and we can feel comfortable with these people. This feeling can be really intense in the beginning when we first meet the South Node person… Sometimes conjunctions to the South Node can start to feel like old news to us though… And the been there and done that feeling can set in. I’m not saying it’s like this for everyone. Some people really do form lasting bonds over the South Node.

For me… The South Node in my 5th house in Aries and ruled by Mars in Leo in the 9th house. In romantic relationships to me my South Node feels like a favorite old love song that I’ve heard too many times in some forgotten life. When I first hear the song I’m amazed and how familiar it sounds, and touched by how it moves me. Then after a while I realize I’ve heard that song too many times, and want to listen to other songs. I don’t mind planets on my South Node as long as they are balanced by something on my North Node.

posted November 30, 2014 07:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Lotis,

my South Node in Virgo sits exactly on my DSC and my Sun. BML is also there. I am very comfortable being in a relationship, this is my uber comfort zone.

However, I noticed I do not like having other people's personal planets on my South Node stellium. I know I don't like it, because in all of my close relationships, I almost never had anyone's personal planets on my South node/Sun. I have had people putting planets there but I was not attracted to them, hence no relationship with them. Including Venus and Sun. No attraction from my part, completely numb.

My current love, thou - his Venus is smack on my North Node/ASC, opposing my Sun. Huge mutual attraction, extremely compelling.

Now about your question in the OP - I can confirm the indirect attraction involving each South node ( I already mentioned I do not like the direct hit on my South node).

My South Node is in Virgo, in my 7th house. His Moon in Virgo conjuncts the ruler of my South Node Mercury exactly ( 0.04 degree).
His Moon is the ruler of his own North Node, so we have the rulers of his North Node and ruler of my South node conjunct at 0 degree in my 7th house and his 12th house.
His Moon in Virgo , the ruler of his North Node, is very attracted to my prominent Virgo qualities and my Virgo South Node experience. Mercury rules my Sun, DSC, IC, Vertex, and here his Moon conjuncts the ruler of all that, exactly.
His North Node ( ruled by his Moon) is in his 12th house, the Pisces house, and I have Pisces ASC and North Node. And his South Node is in his 6th house, the Virgo house, and I have a Virgo Sun, DSC and South Node.
In comparison - my North node sits on my ASC and 1st house ( the Aries house) and he is an Aries Sun!! Thanks for opening my eyes on these patterns, Lotis.. haven't thought about it before!

Now about his South node - it is in his 6th house ( the Virgo house, which is my Sun). It is in Capricorn. The ruler of his South Node - Saturn - conjuncts my Venus by 1 degree. Venus rules my 8th house. Saturn is also his DSC ruler, so my Venus conjuncts the ruler of his DSC and South Node. My Venus also conjuncts his IC ( 4 degrees). His Venus conj my ASC and North Node, 0 degree.

Interesting food for thoughts. Thanks, Lotis

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Nice synastry here. Based on the attraction to the partner's South Node theory... His Moon (a female significator) in Virgo is attracted to your Virgo South Node and planets. He may also be attracted to you because you answer the call of his Virgo North Node ruler lesson with your Virgo South Node and planets. His North Node ruler conjunct your South Node ruler indicates he feels he makes progress due to being with you. Yet, there's a bit of a South Node bond there for him too (feeling of recognition and Familiarity) because his South Node is in the 6th house (the Virgo house matching your Virgo planets, and South Node). This also means he's done some Virgo learning in the past, and still needs to do some more.

His Moon conjunct your South Node makes him feel like a safe haven to you (like he reminds you of home somehow).

His South Node ruler conjunct your Venus works in two ways... People are often attracted to whatever touches their Venus, and so for you his South Node energy (habitual mode of operation) stimulates your Venus. From his side it increases the familiar feeling he gets from you, and because his South Node ruler also is his 7th house ruler, causes him to see you as the right choice of partner for him.

In short your Venus is attracted to his South Node, while his Moon is attracted to your South Node.

posted November 30, 2014 08:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
The NN is like the idea, beyond the actual manifestations.

You know like the idea of "table" suggests that all tables have similiar qualities, but there is a broad variety of actual manifestations of table, and it is pretty infinite.

You can of course fulfill your NN or complete a task or whatever, but this is a reflection of the idea behind it.
Hopefully each manifestation will be more refined though.

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posted November 30, 2014 09:24 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
You talk about skills and talents related to the SN but I can't think of anything. Am I even Cancerian in any way? Only the Chiron conjunction makes sense to me and that's because I'm an aspiring energy healer. Other than that my SN seems to refer to what went wrong in my life. Wait...so does my NN

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Well, if you have a Cancer South Node it's like you've jumped fully into your North Node this life with your Capricorn stellium. So you have the tools to tackle the call of your North Node. This would never completely negate the South Node though. Cancer is a very 'soft' sign while Capricorn is a very 'hard' sign... So a nice balance can come form this.

Some of the blessings that come with a Cancer South Node are..

*Empathy.
*A caring and sensitive spirit.
*Can understand psychological subtleties.
*A desire to nurture.
*A desire to protect loved ones
*Tends to be fair and kind because they hate to see others suffer.
*Good at establishing a secure haven for themselves.
*A strong sense of loyalty to close loved ones.

Some of the draw-backs are...

*Feeling like a little girl in a BIG, BIG wide world (fear of 'growing-up' and taking on official 'adult' responsibilities).
*A need to wait until you feel totally secure before taking action.
*A tendency to be easily hurt by harsh words and actions.
*Can get very emotional if someone you depend on lets you down.

posted December 01, 2014 06:41 AM            

I really loved your description, Ceri, about the NN being like a guiding star, always ahead of us, and your neon, Aubyanne lol that was a cool metaphor.

Thank you, Cappy and Lotis for the input on my guy's Saturn on SN/MC. It makes a lot of sense and he is as you both described: he is a teacher and he is very serious about his work, very conscientious, and takes the ideas/values/philosophy he promotes to children - 9th house - very seriously and sometimes outside the box. He tries to give them a philosophy of life, like a mentor, apart from teaching the manuals. I suppose many teachers are like that, I remember the ones I had, they were my inspiration. So it really does fit, this description.

Getting back to Lotis's theme, this is probably one of the reasons I'm attracted to him , since I'm very Saturnian (ASC, Saturn on DSC, sextile Sun etc.) myself, plus we both have NN in Sag. Jupiter is squaring my nodal axis (2) too. Apart from being in the 9th house, his SN is also on MC, so a bit like being in Capricorn - my Cap ASC is the "fake" one lol, I mean the gate of my interception and it reflects my dutiful and conscientious upbringing as well (since the gate of the interception is usually connected to our first half of life/our upbringing). Cap values are very familiar territory for me: my mom, one of my sisters, many family members, most of my childhood friends have strong Cap (with Sag too).

I suppose he should be attracted to my 5th/Gem SN talents and abilities, since he has a 5th stellium * Venus/Juno/Mercury etc in Aqua, Mars in Gemini, Virgo ASC.
I certainly noticed I attract Gem/Leo energy, but there are other Gem/Leo influences in my chart as well, so it's hard to distinguish. Plus my Mercury is my primary love ruler: 5th and 8th and he absorbs a lot of Libra/8th/Scorp/Saturn energy - my Mercury being in Libra/8th conj Pluto and square Saturn, which seems to go very well with his profile: Scorpio Moon, Pluto on ASC in Libra, 1st house mostly in Libra and that strong common Saturn/Mercury we have.

Taking a look at the 7th rulers as well: mine are Moon (primary) Sun (intercp) - Moon in Leo/7th sextile Mercury, Sun in Virgo 8th sextile Saturn and MC, opp Jupiter. I can see a connection here with his Saturn/MC/SN in Gemini and 9th.

His DSC ruler Neptune is in Sag/3rd opp his Gem Mars and his Neptune conjuncts my NN (4) so there's a direct contact here: Sag/Gem, plus his 3rd house NN. The other ruler Jupiter is in the 5th/Pisces, conjunct Mercury, so his 5th Jupiter/Mercury should be attracted to my 5th/Gem SN as well.

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posted December 04, 2014 06:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Oh Gosh, did I ramble on too much?

Okay, I'll put it simply. Has anybody noticed a correlation between your partner's South Node placement (familiar habits, innate talent) and your own relationship attraction pattern (5th, 7th, and 8th houses, or possibly the gender planets)? Or Vice Versa?

Also, the South Node sign may change slowly but the South Node ruler's sign may not. If the South Node is ruled by the Sun, Moon, Mercury, or Venus, this will change rather quickly. And the house in which the South Node is located may change by the hour.

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posted December 04, 2014 06:51 PM            

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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
my ex-partner south node is in Scorpio. my 7th house is in scorpio. the ruler of my seventh Mars is the dispositor of my north node. the other ruler pluto is in 5th.

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my south node in libra, his sun-mercury (ruler of his 7th house) in libra..

posted December 04, 2014 08:27 PM            

I'm not sure how I'd read that outside of my 12H VENUS being intimately tied to my SNODE. Indeed, my relationships have been almost exclusively karmic in nature, with the strange sense I'm being given glimpses into the other eigenstates I'm living via the dreamstate (HYPNOS).

6H might indicate how much it dominates my daily life and could be linked to my occupation. I'd buy that.

Still trying to grasp why my Guardian's got the NNODE-SCHRODINGER. Seems like I should!

As to his SNODE, it's 11H, on the exact degree as mine. 18° AQU 30. Sometimes I wonder, should I just read it similarly? His gifts are objectivity, impersonality and humanitarian pursuits, whereas he's here to adopt a more TAU/LEO approach? Love, romance, pleasure, personality and individuality?

Neither of us have anything smack on our SNODE.

My Twin's got KARMA-SATURN 3° conjunct his, however. Right along the MC. I often feel as if we'll be clearing a lot of his karma by the professional work we undertake together. And, like you'd said, Lee, that gives it a CAP feel. Responsibility, obligation, executive ability. Funny that his character's a CEO.

posted December 05, 2014 10:00 AM            

My sun 15 Cap, falling my husband's 7H

Husband's SN 16 Taurus
My SN 20 Taurus

posted December 06, 2014 08:01 AM            

My snode is in pisces in the 8th thouse. It only makes a trine to venus in cancer in 12.
How shall I read that? I have psychic talent that I acquired in a past life?

posted December 06, 2014 12:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
My snode once did conjunct the sun/moon mdp of a guy. I can't tell who was more convinced that we were lovers in a past life. What would you think?

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Hah. Funny you say that, Enneline. I've got a SUN/MOON=SNODE myself. I'm SUN/MOON. I've written of this one excessively, but it can't be denied, we're here to clear karma and share the fruits of that labour with the world.

So I'm the one actually writing and developing it. I couldn't do it without him (he's my star, after all) and he got the whole thing going.

posted December 07, 2014 03:07 PM            

Most of my relationships were with men who had a Leo Moon and the other one had Venus and Moon in Aquarius (the 11th house probably?).

Now my guy has his Venus on my Sun exact and tightly on said SN. And yes it's finally happened. We're taking it slow and won't shout it off the rooftops yet, but we've just talked and admitted there is something between the two of us. (And thanks, Lee, for seeing that in the synastry too!)

So yes, that continues the attracting Leo-like men trend. I think the Aqua Moon guy could very likely have had Leo Rising (I'm very Lunar with some Cancer stuff, which would suit his then-7th house). Even more since it's the female significators!