posted November 29, 2014 04:54 PM            

Okay, so most of us are familiar with the notion that we are attracted to the symbolism of our 5th, 7th, and 8th houses… We look for people who posses these qualities or a talented in these areas of life. A partner having personal planets in these houses, or aspecting the rulers of these houses is considered a plus in terms of attraction synastry.

Enter the Nodes…Okay so our South Node is said to show qualities we have already mastered, while the North Node is said to show qualities we have yet to learn and need to cultivate.

Aquarius South Node, or South Node conjunct Uranus, South Node in the 11th house, or South Node RULER in Aquarius, conjunct Uranus, or in the 11th house… These would all be indicators of people who have an innate understanding of the Aqua theme, they’ve already mastered some aspect of this energy type, and are comfortable existing in this mode. It’s natural and automatic for these people to function form an Aqua/Uranus/11th house perspective. These people may even take their talents in this area for granted because they’re so used them. And in fact they may feel they need to go a bit more in the opposite direction towards the North Node in order to feel more balanced.

How does this work towards attraction… If the South Node indicates innate talent already learned, it’s likely that a person with relationship houses that relate to the symbolism of a person’s South Node could be quite attracted to these innate talents in the other person.

Using the Aquarius South Node example… A person with an Aquarius Dsc, Uranus in the 7th house, or 7th house ruler in the 11th house, could potentially be attracted to an Aquarius South Node type. The 7th house person may admire the South Node person for talents and abilities that they have taken for granted. The reaction from the South Node person is often like “Wow, you really appreciate THAT about me. I didn’t think my ability to do THAT was really that special. It comes so automatically I didn’t even think about it”.

What I’m saying is that the symbolism of a person’s South Node can be attractive to us if that symbolism matches symbolism of one or more of our relationship houses.

Now, this would have to be put into CONTEXT with the rest of the synastry.

The South Node is just one factor. There most definitely needs to be more then just the South Node of our partner attracting us. Usually, a partner matches our attraction pattern on MULTIPLE different levels. My major point is that if our partner’s South Node does match our attraction pattern in terms of symbolism, that could be PART of what attracts us to them.

Also, Symbolism is different from aspects. A person may have an Aquarius South Node which may be attractive to someone with Aquarius connected to their relationships houses, but how the Nodal Axis is aspected within the synastry is an entirely separate issue.

From the relationship house person’s perspective the South Node person possess qualities and natural talents they find attractive. The South Node person is often flattered that someone appreciates their automatic tendencies. The actual outcome of this interaction is determined by overall synastry. Especially for the Nodes person in terms of how their Nodal Axis is aspected by their partner.

Different people react differently to conjunctions to either end of their Nodal Axis.

People who prefer to remain in the comfort of the South Node might like conjunctions to the South Node, and be somewhat repelled by conjunctions the North Node.

People who yearn to move out of the familiar South Node, and onto the new and challenging North Node, may be very attracted to the conjunctions to the North Node, and feel held back by the South Node.

Depending on individual synastry there are all kinds of reactions that people have to Nodal conjunctions in between these two extremes.

Sextiles and trines to the Nodal Axis cause us to harmoniously balances the two opposing modes of being indicated by our Nodal Axis. Squares to the Nodal Axis cause us the fight or work hard to balance opposing modes of being indicated by our nodes, and sometimes squares cause us to feel blocked.

There might also be a similar attraction when a person’s South Node correlates to our gender planets in love relationships. For example, a guy has Venus in Aries, and a girl’s South Node (innate talent and abilities) is conjunct his Venus. He may appreciate her habitual tendencies, but how she reacts to this may depend… She may love the comfort this brings to her life, or she might feel she’s already been there and done the South Node too much, so his Venus could feel like it’s holding her back. Ironically, She may even prefer a guy with Venus conjunct her North Node if the later is the case. A weird unrequited thing can result if the South Node person yearns for their North Node qualities. Many things need to be considered. It depends on how the Nodes person feels about their South Node vs. their North Node, and this is not always predictable.

Another possibility is that the girl my have an Aries South Node but not conjunct his Venus, and he may recognize her innate qualities in relation to his Venus anyway due to the sign match. In the case of the later, the rest of the synastry strongly determines weather or not there’s an attraction and what the result is.

I have a funny set up in my chart this way myself. I have South Node at 10 degrees Aries in the 5th house. Aries is my 5th house sign and I love that sign in other people, but in terms of romance I prefer to avoid exact conjunctions by planets to my South Node. I like planets in late Aries trine my Mercury and Venus in Sagittarius. I can be attracted to my South Node but actually see the growth of my North Node as a better option. In terms of tight conjunctions to my Nodes, I think I like conjunctions to my North Node better… Or a person that has an Aries/Libra opposition on my Nodal Axis (best of both worlds). That’s just me though. Other people may view their Nodal Axis differently.

The Nodal Stuff needs to be bolstered by other factors indicating attraction in the synastry. The Nodal Axis seems to play a supportive role in facilitating attraction when it comes to symbolism matches to the partner’s South Node.

posted November 29, 2014 11:09 PM            

Okay, I'll put it simply. Has anybody noticed a correlation between your partner's South Node placement (familiar habits, innate talent) and your own relationship attraction pattern (5th, 7th, and 8th houses, or possibly the gender planets)? Or Vice Versa?

posted November 30, 2014 12:15 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Oh Gosh, did I ramble on too much?

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A little bit.

I also think you want 'conversely', rather than 'ironically'. It's not ironic that someone would go for VENUS/NNODE over VENUS/SNODE. Many prefer to develop their NNODE qualities as opposed to revisiting and rehashing the SNODE.

I haven't witnessed an unrequited pattern with VENUS/NNODE, however. Ironically, it's been the best indicator of a mutual attraction which becomes a relationship.

My Twin and I definitely have SNODE activity going on, given his VENUS/MARS=SNODE and his PSYCHE/EROS=SNODE. Both 1º or less. Otherwise, it's my MOON-URA-ANGEL on his KARMA/SATURN=SNODE. Definitely heavy stuff.

Funny enough, my husband kinda hates my SNODE qualities, even though he's got an AQU DSC. It's my Twin (with the AQU ASC conjunct my VERTEX 0º) who appreciates them. Instead, we bond over the LEO, not the AQU.

I wrote up this article awhile ago, examining how the NODES function in relationships.

posted November 30, 2014 03:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Okay, I'll put it simply. Has anybody noticed a correlation between your partner's South Node placement (familiar habits, innate talent) and your own relationship attraction pattern (5th, 7th, and 8th houses, or possibly the gender planets)? Or Vice Versa?

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Not sure if I'm allowed to comment without a partner, but my chart has interesting patterns with the nodes, houses and more so it kind of ties into this and what you're talking about.

SN 26.09 Tau 11th house
Sun 28.21 Leo 2H
NN 26.09 Sco 5H
DC 6.53 Aquarius and 8H cusp 19 Aqua, too.
Uranus 29 Libra, 4H
(second DC-ruler Saturn 27 Cancer, 12H)
SN-ruler Venus 6.57 R Virgo, 3H
Mars 4 Gem, 11H
Pluto 7.30ish Libra, 4H
Moon 0.30ish Pisces, 8H

5/11th cusp around 15 degrees Sco/Tau, Sagittarius and Gemini encompassed/intercepted in the houses.

I can't fully say if I'd actually have been successful on the NN-front but it always seemed that I was possibly more okay with it than many people's articles about embracing Scorpio NN sides suggested. I don't know if it's because it's 5th house and I'm a Leo Sun + 1/2 house Leo on top but something worked with the Scorpio NN as well. Sun + Karma square Nodes, balances?

2H Sun = Taurean SN for more repeating patterns. For your theory here, the 7/8th house being Aquarius and SN in 11th house come into play.

I listed the planets that much because while I've never been directly involved with an Aquarius I'm currently attracted to someone with their Sun conjunct my 11th house SN and with some planets and SN in Gemini. Not touching my Mars, but with the interceptions and more I imagine it can add up at my end.

A more of a friend or lasting association type pattern is someone having something on the solstice point of my DC though, so 22-23 Scorpio in my 5th near the NN features instead of my direct DC. Everybody who's stuck around over the years has had a hit for that Scorpio spot (or less so the NN or the "opposing" Sun/Moon midpoint at 29 Scorpio). You also in the past commented on my not having liked a Sun conj my Uranus (square Saturn) person but instead preferring the energies of someone with Mercury in late Gemini where the current "attraction" has Mars and SN.

POINT:

Would you see the complex pattern you suggest applying when it comes to DC-ruler Uranus trining someone's SN, or planets there?

What of my SN-ruler Venus (+ Mercury) being in my third house, if the other person is a Gemini SN with Mercury in Gemini?

Would it have any bearing if my 8th cusp also trines their Gem Merc/SN-ruler? More simply though, their SN-ruler is conjunct my Antivertex, so hits something for me to react.

(Of course it's hard to say with the Uranus also opposing said person's Sun-ruler Venus trine my Sun, etc.)

EDIT:

Actually, with his Mars conj SN, would his Aries Venus also reflect something more in this case?

posted November 30, 2014 04:26 AM            

If you have the South Node in Taurus in the 11th house ruled by Venus in Virgo, you'd check to see if your partner has Taurus/Venus/2nd house, Virgo/Mercury/6th house, or the 11th house/Aqua connected with his attraction pattern (5th, 7th, 8th houses, gender planets). If he does this means your habitual mode of operation has an attraction to him.

posted November 30, 2014 06:05 AM            

I very much liked your idea about these qualities being second nature to us and thus many times we take them for granted: it's a warning to not do that, to cherish our SN gifts.

My SN is in Gemini 5th, my duplicated house. I think I have many precious talents I sometimes took for granted, not feeling grateful enough or working to develop them, and people warned me about that, people working very hard to be able to do what it comes naturally to me. My SN also reflects my primary family upbringing with a huge interest in art and culture on all levels, an interest in learning, reading, news and what happens into the world, exchanges, interacting with people from various backgrounds etc. - I owe all this to my parents and the privilege I had to be born and brought up in this atmosphere, a privilege and a great luck I sometimes took for granted, until you discover what it means not to be raised in such an environment. Moon sextiles my SN (0) Saturn semisextiles it (1), to show this even more, especially my mother's influence.

I think it makes sense for us to reflect our SN, it's like the dowry chest, the hope chest we carry with us and yes, many times we take it for granted. But the others probably see it in us better than we do. It makes sense for someone who had a partner profile matching our SN to acknowledge and like our talents, abilities, habits. A planet there probably is very attracted to our SN, especially a love planet.

But there's an interesting question however: what happens if this hope chest we're carrying with us doesn't contain something good? and our best "talents" or our upbringing turned us into little monsters, which is usually not our fault? Would they still like us?

Before delving into the synastry part, I'd like to know what you think of my guy's configuration, since I'm still struggling to understand it: he has the SN in Gemini (9th) but his SN is 24 Gem, his MC 27 Gem and his Saturn 27 Gem. So he has the SN at the very end of his 9th house, basically on his MC, and Saturn on SN and MC. Saturn is the intercepted ruler of his 4th house. What do you think?

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posted November 30, 2014 06:13 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Very interesting point...
I'm not a big fan of the idea that we want to leave our SN behind though. Sometimes we do, if it implies a difficult childhood/upbringing/past. But we still have to use what happens on the SN to move towards the NN< we can't ignore it. I think the South Node is, as you described, talents, abilities, behavioral patterns that come as a second nature to us, and there are two reasons for that: 1. they are innate abilities (talents); 2. they are inherited in connection to our upbringing. (leaving the karmic thing aside for now)

I very much liked your idea about these qualities being second nature to us and thus many times we take them for granted: it's a warning to not do that, to cherish our SN gifts.

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posted November 30, 2014 06:17 AM            

Pisces is the sign of my secondary 7th house.
Sagittarius is the sign of my primary 7th house ruler (his Neptune conjuncts by just under 5 degree, wide, but still valid I think, especially with it being part of a DW).
my 7th house ruler conjuncts my Sun; Moon is the ruler of my 8th house.
asteroid Cupido is located in my 8th house in Leo opposing Moon.

Deduction complete

posted November 30, 2014 07:27 AM            

Gemini is his secondary 5th house.
Libra is intercepted in his 7th house, which might subtly resonate with my SN conjunct DESC, and both being in air signs.
Sagittarius is the sign of his DESC-ruler and his 5th house ruler (my SN-ruler conjuncts his 5th house ruler with an orb of about 3 degrees)
his 5th house ruler is conjunct Sun (his own as well as mine, orb under 3 degrees in fact); Leo is the sign of his secondary 7th house.
KAALI is located at the end of his 8th house, and in fact conjunct his DESC-ruler Mercury (KAALI also conjuncts my DESC exact and my NN a bit more widely).

As for the asteroids, so his SN-ruler is connected to his Cupido and his Sun (though Sun is not conjunct cupido anymore) - my Cupido is in Leo, opposing Moon.

my SN is conjunct Kaali in Gemini - his Kaali is conjunct his DESC-ruler, which is Mercury.

so not only the asteroids mirror, but so is the sign/planet symbolism.

posted November 30, 2014 08:05 AM            

my DESC-ruler: 25 Sag
my Cupido: 19 Leo
my Moon, 8th ruler, 17 Aquarius

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my SN: 10 Gemini
my Kaali: 12 Gemini
my ASC: 7 Sag
my Mercury: 25 Sag
my Sun: 26 Sag

posted November 30, 2014 09:07 AM            

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But there's an interesting question however: what happens if this hope chest we're carrying with us doesn't contain something good? and our best "talents" or our upbringing turned us into little monsters, which is usually not our fault? Would they still like us?

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Good question. Who wouldn't escape at least if I showed him my can of worms?

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Before delving into the synastry part, I'd like to know what you think of my guy's configuration, since I'm still struggling to understand it: he has the SN in Gemini (9th) but his SN is 24 Gem, his MC 27 Gem and his Saturn 27 Gem. So he has the SN at the very end of his 9th house, basically on his MC, and Saturn on SN and MC. Saturn is the intercepted ruler of his 4th house. What do you think?

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posted November 30, 2014 09:48 AM            

my South Node in Virgo sits exactly on my DSC and my Sun. BML is also there. I am very comfortable being in a relationship, this is my uber comfort zone.

However, I noticed I do not like having other people's personal planets on my South Node stellium. I know I don't like it, because in all of my close relationships, I almost never had anyone's personal planets on my South node/Sun. I have had people putting planets there but I was not attracted to them, hence no relationship with them. Including Venus and Sun. No attraction from my part, completely numb.

My current love, thou - his Venus is smack on my North Node/ASC, opposing my Sun. Huge mutual attraction, extremely compelling.

Now about your question in the OP - I can confirm the indirect attraction involving each South node ( I already mentioned I do not like the direct hit on my South node).

My South Node is in Virgo, in my 7th house. His Moon in Virgo conjuncts the ruler of my South Node Mercury exactly ( 0.04 degree).
His Moon is the ruler of his own North Node, so we have the rulers of his North Node and ruler of my South node conjunct at 0 degree in my 7th house and his 12th house.
His Moon in Virgo , the ruler of his North Node, is very attracted to my prominent Virgo qualities and my Virgo South Node experience. Mercury rules my Sun, DSC, IC, Vertex, and here his Moon conjuncts the ruler of all that, exactly.
His North Node ( ruled by his Moon) is in his 12th house, the Pisces house, and I have Pisces ASC and North Node. And his South Node is in his 6th house, the Virgo house, and I have a Virgo Sun, DSC and South Node.
In comparison - my North node sits on my ASC and 1st house ( the Aries house) and he is an Aries Sun!! Thanks for opening my eyes on these patterns, Lotis.. haven't thought about it before!

Now about his South node - it is in his 6th house ( the Virgo house, which is my Sun). It is in Capricorn. The ruler of his South Node - Saturn - conjuncts my Venus by 1 degree. Venus rules my 8th house. Saturn is also his DSC ruler, so my Venus conjuncts the ruler of his DSC and South Node. My Venus also conjuncts his IC ( 4 degrees). His Venus conj my ASC and North Node, 0 degree.

posted November 30, 2014 10:30 AM            

I am not attracted to planets ON my SN either, but very much to those having planets on my NN and/ or my SN-ruler, which is also my DESC-ruler.

In my case they might also represent a fine balance point, as I have Jupiter square my nodal axis, and those planets on my SN-rler and DESC-ruler are in Sagittarius.

BTW I think the synastric aspects, especially 4th harmonic aspects, involving the nodes and their rules are very interesting to take into consideration.

In our case this involves:

his SN: 1 Pisces
his SN-ruler (Neptune): 20 Sag
his SN-ruler (Jupiter): 10 Virgo
his NN: 1 Virgo
his NN-ruler: 9 Mercury

my SN: 10 Gemini
my SN-ruler: 25 Sag
my NN: 10 Sag
my NN-ruler: 11 Pisces

so...
his SN-ruler conjunct my SN-ruler, in Sagittarius
his SN-ruler(Ju) square my nodal axis
his SN-ruler opposite my NN-ruler
his NN-ruler conjunct my NN exact
his NN-ruler square my NN-ruler

posted November 30, 2014 11:58 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I'm not a big fan of the idea that we want to leave our SN behind though. Sometimes we do, if it implies a difficult childhood/upbringing/past. But we still have to use what happens on the SN to move towards the NN< we can't ignore it.

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posted November 30, 2014 12:40 PM            

Take, for instance, Mr NNODE conjunct SUN. He's likely going to be co-starring in my series. I love it when ... whatever ... shows me what's going on elsewhere, (in other eigenstates) though it can be a bit troublesome. I felt that it was simply being revealed to me that he's a more successful actor elsewhere, and we have a decent relationship. But something very recently (as in two days ago) changed.

As a continuation of things, I found myself in the same cinema, but now realise he's married to the same woman he's with here -- and he's in love with one of my patients. But that's not even the issue. It's the fact he's 'connected' and demanding I stop seeing my patient. (That's all I got.)

Interestingly, I discovered a connexion to my Guardian here of which I wasn't previously aware. They seemed to know each other, too -- or at least of each other. I didn't sense that my husband and stepdaughter are a part of this one.

Nonetheless, when I woke, it became clear to me that the future of his career may lie in my hands as well. Oh, the choices we make, huh?

Naturally, it's got me looking at our Uranians and NODAL links again. Lo and behold, there's quite a bit there. His MADHATTER's opposite his SUN (which, as you know, is 0º on my SUN) which is on my SNODE and my costar (partner)'s LEWISCARROLL. His ACTOR's smack on my ASC/MADHATTER, and my costar's PSYCHE.

And, alas, perhaps most boggling of all -- his NNODE conjoins the TISIPHONE/HADES=CHIRON my partner and I share in synastry -- which means his and my NODES intersect 1º to form a Fixed Cross.

Well, damn.

He does have ACTOR parallel ALICE in his natal, which is parallel my SUN, and conjunct my partner's MARS 2º.

KLIO, on the other hand, is at 2º SCO. It's conjunct my partner's SNODE, and my DEJANIRA.

However ... my KLIO is conjunct his ALICE (0º) and opposite his VALENTINE which is conjunct my costar's Aries stellium.

I'm liking his ASC conjunct my SUN, 2º, too. Some of the best OSC has come from SUN/ASC links like that. And we do have a great chemistry.

Everyone keeps telling me to just cast him already. Maybe I should. Seems that NNODE/SUN just won't quit! The SNODE/MADHATTER conjunction just makes me laugh, too. The energy is clearly there. In this project, one's got to be comfortable with 'Hatter' energy if they're going to be donning the Cat's claws.

posted November 30, 2014 01:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
The NN is ongoing. It`s not like a task that you can complete and then be done with it. it`s a guiding light, but I think the manifestations and expressions will vary over time.

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Oh, but, Ceri, I was so sure this time. It's like one simple phrase -- my husband suggesting we should start spending time with him and his wife -- and BAM. Suddenly, my brain (or consciousness?) is kicking me back over to that timeline. Again.

One thing I must say is curious, though. How I've been able to somehow blend all of my eigenstates into my observed one (primary eigenstate). And I'm not even the NNODE-SCHRODINGER 0º! (That's my Guardian.)

However ... my sNNODE is conjunct my nSCHRODINGER, 1º. Plus, my sMADHATTER's right on my nNNODE. 0º.

posted November 30, 2014 01:26 PM            

You know like the idea of "table" suggests that all tables have similiar qualities, but there is a broad variety of actual manifestations of table, and it is pretty infinite.

You can of course fulfill your NN or complete a task or whatever, but this is a reflection of the idea behind it.
Hopefully each manifestation will be more refined though.

posted November 30, 2014 01:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
The NN is like the idea, beyond the actual manifestations.

You know like the idea of "table" suggests that all tables have similiar qualities, but there is a broad variety of actual manifestations of table, and it is pretty infinite.

You can of course fulfill your NN or complete a task or whatever, but this is a reflection of the idea behind it.
Hopefully each manifestation will be more refined though.

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Which has always been a bit goofy for me. Leo -- okay, cool; I get that. Creativity, romance, learning how to enjoy my individuality and accept notoriety and fame. I can do this.

But 12H? That's always been a tad awkward. Point of destiny in the house of karma -- especially outstanding and unresolved.

Needless to say, I'm using my creativity, individuality, and pursuit of love and pleasure to fulfil my outstanding obligations, or resolve my karma. Works, I'd say, given SATURN (on the SGC) is my 5R, conjunct 1H ALMA-JUNO.

His SCHRÖDINGER-NNODE exact is curious, though. My 8H, his 6H. Not conjunct the CHIRON=TISIPHONE/HADES thankfully, but it IS parallel. My CHIRON, at least. Tied in, but in a subtler 'behind-the-scenes' way.

What do you make of SCHRÖDINGER-NNODE? He's also got SATURN-INTERKOSMOS, 1°. And let's not forget the TARDIS-DNA! Seems kinda clear to me.

But what to DO with that? Especially with it being on his NNODE, and the other point (INTERKOSMOS) being on his SATURN. That SATURN. The one in my 8H?

posted November 30, 2014 02:43 PM            

I married a Leo, I have SN in Leo in the 10th.

I'm now dating an Aqua, I have NN in Aqua in the 4th.

When I was describing my new guy to my brother he pointed out to me that what I was describing was the exact opposite of my x husband.

The really odd thing is that their suns are in exact opposition at 0.06 orb.

I really understood my x husband. We had just a really easy thing. I find understanding my new guy to be quite a challenge. As much as I love him (yup... I said it, I love him), he's someone I find extraordinarily complicated.

posted November 30, 2014 02:49 PM            

For example I have ARACHNE on my NN (and on the same degree as Atlantis) - of course that meanst they are ocnjunct my Neptune and ASC as well.
Anyway, yes I can see how this might relate to my perception of reality as some sort of story unfolding, a weaving of threads so to speak.

But then there is Lust, Wisdom, Angel all on 7 SAg, right on my ASC but also conjunct NN and Polyhymnia on 6 Sag.

Well, the last one is a tad wide for a conj. to NN, but I can see how that relates to my life.
the Sabian being "cupid knocks at the door of a human heart" - it is certainly through music that the door to my heart is being opened. Must be (too funny Mr Sag has his Kaali exactly on 6 Sag as well)

Anyway, i can even see wisdom and Angel, but Lust? Exactly on ASC?
Hello?
Have you seen my life? There most definitly is nothing too lusty going on there. I share this Lust-ASC placemnt with Gene Simmons and Bill Clinton actually, and mmh, no, not really.

On the other hand maybe in my case it is so near to NN (and modified by Neptune), but I still can`t make sense on this one, why the asteroid Lust would be so prominent in my chart.

And Schroedinger doesn`t really vibe with me. Though on a thought maybe if someone has Schroedinger on the NN, his guiding light in this life is to broaden their horizon in terms of concepts of reality, or time or perception, any of that matter. To develop the acceptance that there might be no definite either-or-spectre, but maybe a simultaneiously-yes-and-no. But I don`t really know.