posted July 26, 2015 10:34 AM              

I find that Jupiter interesting at least (of course since the ASC is the same, Jupite rules the same houses in both charts, 2nd and 5th)

posted July 26, 2015 10:35 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
yes, that`s what I thought, too, when she mentioned that, though did not say it. That IF a relationship should form at all (and succeed), it would have some spiritual basis or connection. Anything less than a soulmate possibly would be not enough!
The purpose of a relationship for me could never be reasons of (financial) security, or procreation, or sex, or friendship or even romance, while all of it matters, it does not matter enough. A relationship for me can also not form for giving me a feeling of security and handing over my responsibilities. Even if I was in a marriage or committed relationship, I suppose I couldn`t hand over these things.

You know it reminds me of the first time I went to London. I was scared as crap, because of the new step that meant for me.
But I calmed my nerves, cause I knew my friend and my brother would be with me, so they would do all the talking (I was scared speaking English even), and some other things. they were a bit of a security net.

The universe took care to take that security net away from under my feet, by making them both having to cancel the trip!
And to make matters worse, when I arrived there in the hotel, there were troubls with my credit card, and I was very much on my own having to solve the issues (with the hotelowner) of course and some more things like that happened.

it just, it feels like I simply do not have the luxury to depend on others to resolve issues for me. That is not what I am here to do.
Rahu in 1st house takes its toll I suppose.

Even if I was in a relationship, I guess I would still be very much my own person, having to be very independent, possibly my husband would be away for much of the time (which actually is the only way some marriage for me could work, I believe; someone who is around me all the time? That is a nightmare! no matter how much I`d love that person)

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Right, Ketu in 7th won't necessarily deny a spouse of course, but it will be like finding a needle in a haystack.

And oh I know JUST how you feel!
I'm very much the same way, despite wanting to be in a relationship, I still get where you're coming from.
I won't settle for anything less than a full on soulmate connection, but then again I want my own privacy and space to breathe too
Hence why I've never been in a romantic relationship my 21 years of living.

posted July 26, 2015 10:39 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
You forget the other implication of 5th house.

And Rahu is not just fame, but hunger itself.

And well I am WAY after my 25th birthday. lol
I wonder though. My personality or expression of my personality has changed so much since a few years, and I kinda wonder if that might have been the D9 chart kicking in?

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA oh you just had to go there.
Let's see what happens in the future lol.

posted July 26, 2015 10:41 AM              

Strangely I never really wanted a relationship in the past, not really. As I said it seems like something changed. Not that I want a relationship so badly now, but I wouldn´t be so opposed to it anymore, IF it felt really right (always condition 1! )

and it would only feel right, if it gave me enough space. lol

posted July 26, 2015 10:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
in my D9 chat I have Jupiter in own sign in Pisces in 5th house, and seems he is looking at Venus in 9th house (lord of the 7th house) and also at Rahu in 1st house.

I find that Jupiter interesting at least (of course since the ASC is the same, Jupite rules the same houses in both charts, 2nd and 5th)

Saturn, planet with second highest degree, in D1 chart;
I am going to start my Saturn-Dasha in autumn this year I think, and I just read thta I should consider the nakshatra lord to see what results this period may give (of course SAturn dasha does not sound good I am aware of it), Saturn`s Nakshatra Lord is Jupiter, so it brings me back to that Jupiter, and I guess it is one to keep an eye on. lol

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Ah ok, just read this now.

Jupiter in its own sign feels happy and comfortable.

Jupiter looking at Rahu (especially if it's a happy Jupiter!) tames Rahu and takes away it's bad effects
Jupiter looking at Venus is also great. So your married life will be well-harmonious it seems

posted July 26, 2015 10:51 AM              

"t could be the effects of your D9, but I feel the biggest reason could be your Dashas effecting you (planetary time periods). Have you checked what mahadasha and antardasha (sub-planetary time period) you are going "
through?"

Yeah I was applying the new information I just read in a post above.

I am just slowly coming out of my Jupiter-Dasha (Nakshatra-lord: Rahu), since june 2013 it was also in sub-dasha Rahu.
And that is when all those changes sort of MATERIALIZED and were APPLIED to the real world, even though of course mental changes happened before (and I started losing half a year before that subdasha started).

Before that I was under the subdasha of Mars.

Anyway it was really during the Rahu-subdasha of Jupiter - Dasha, that all these changes became visible (I mean I lost 60 kilos in those 2-3 years, who does that? ).

Anyway this dashaperiod is almost done with, as I will enter into Saturn-Dasha on 30th october this year, as I sais Nakshatra lord or Saturn is Jupiter. lol

The subdasha will be of course Saturn, too, with Jupiter as nakshatra-lord.

I find it interesting however that the ending Dasha-period really reflected the nakshatra-lord so muchmore than the sign-lord! Or maybe they acted as a combination?

So if that is true in general, I think my Saturn-dasha probably will be modified by my Jupiter as well.

posted July 26, 2015 10:52 AM              

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Originally posted by Neptunian Venus:
Ah ok, just read this now.

Jupiter in its own sign feels happy and comfortable.

Jupiter looking at Rahu (especially if it's a happy Jupiter!) tames Rahu and takes away it's bad effects
Jupiter looking at Venus is also great. So your married life will be well-harmonious it seems

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posted July 26, 2015 10:55 AM            

Here's what I learned on how to go about interpreting them:

1) Take the planet who's mahadasha you are running and make it the ASC. Judge the chart accordingly. See which planets are in what houses and the houses they're aspecting.

3) See how many places the sub cycle lord is from the mahadasha lord.
The number of places will symbolize the nature of its effects.
If it's 6 or 8 places then the results will be negative or challenging

I'll give myself as an example.

Current Mahadasha: Jupiter (Libra, 4th house, conjunct Venus & Rahu)
Current Antardasha: Mars (Gemini, 12th house, conjunct Moon)

Mars is 9 places from Jupiter in my main birth chart.

- I'm going on a spiritual pilgrimage for 40 days in a week to a foreign country! (Symbolized by Mars 9 places from Jupiter, and Mars in 12th house)
- I'll also be taking a trip to my birth country (Mahadasha lord in 4th, Antar-Dasha lord conjunct Moon in 12th)
- I've delved deeper into jyotish and graduated from college since my Mars antar-dasha started.

posted July 26, 2015 11:04 AM            

That is incredible!
Rahu does rule transformation after all. Good for you!

"Anyway this dashaperiod is almost done with, as I will enter into Saturn-Dasha on 30th october this year, as I sais Nakshatra lord or Saturn is Jupiter. lol

The subdasha will be of course Saturn, too, with Jupiter as nakshatra-lord."

Also check which houses Saturn is ruling for you and its placement, as well as its aspects.

You mentioned it was your Amatya-karka right (planet with second highest degree)?
So you might feel more of a drive to fulfill your purpose and get more done.

posted July 26, 2015 11:12 AM            

Saturn rules my 7th and its in its own sign (Aquarius)

If I make Saturn my ASC, that'll put Moon and Mars in the 5th house and Sun in the 7th.

I'll be going through my Rahu sub period in October for 2 years, before I start anew Mahadasha of Saturn.

posted July 26, 2015 11:14 AM              

"1) Take the planet who's mahadasha you are running and make it the ASC. Judge the chart accordingly.

3) See how many places the sub cycle lord is from the mahadasha lord.
The number of places will symbolize the nature of its effects.
If it's 6 or 8 places then the results will be negative or challenging"
Interesting. So during my Jupiter dasha and Rahu subdasha.

Well Jupiter in Aquarius, Rahus in Scorpio, means that Rahu was in 10th house - which is also fitting. It was very important in terms of my career as well.

now I will start Saturn-dasha, and of course for the 1st 3 years it will be Saturn-subdasha. So 1st house, another kendra house. interesting.

Making Saturn (well GEmini) the ASC, of course will place my Sun, Mercury and Venus into 7th house, which is okay I suppose,

However unfortunately it will also place Ketu in 12th house, Rahu and Mars and Lagna in 6th house, Moon in 8th house.

What is missing, oh yes Jupiter, that one will end up being in 9th house, as lord of the 7th and 10th house during that period.

The lord of the 5th house, Venus, of course being in Sagittarius in 7th house, and conjunct Sun and Mercury, but NOT combust.

But turning to the problematic ones:
Moon will be lord of 2nd house and falling in 8th house.
Mars will be lord of 11th and 6th and falling into 6th house with Rahu

"Overall, the sign and house placement of your Mahadasha and Antar-Dasha should be enough to tell you about how you will go about experiencing it."

Possibly. Though I can`t deny that the Nakshatra-Lord was SO fitting for the last 3 years. however he did also reside over my Antar-Dasha, so it is like killing two birds with one stone I suppose.

posted July 26, 2015 11:21 AM              

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Originally posted by Neptunian Venus:
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Also check which houses Saturn is ruling for you and its placement, as well as its aspects.

You mentioned it was your Amatya-karka right (planet with second highest degree)?
So you might feel more of a drive to fulfill your purpose and get more done.

Saturn dasha can be positive if it's well-placed!

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Yeah, well my Saturn is rather fearsome! despite it being apparently instrumental inf ulfilling my purpose.

So in D1 chart Saturn is in Gemini rx in 8th house.
it rules 3rd and 4th house.
mutally aspecting Sun, Mercury, Venus
it is receiving an aspect from Jupiter in 4th house
and also receives an aspect from Mars

(it is kinda funny Mars aspects Jupiter in his 4th house aspect and Saturn in his 8th house aspect, while Jupiter aspects Saturn in his 5th house aspect)

as for the D9 chart, Saturn is in 7th house
(still lord of 3rd and 4th)
mutually aspecting Rahu - Ketu
aspects Venus in 9th house, who is lord of 7th house, where Saturn sits and has dik bala I think
it still receives an aspect from Mars (yeah THAT one could have changed! )

posted July 26, 2015 11:25 AM              

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Originally posted by Neptunian Venus:
I'm actually looking forward to my own Saturn dasha!

Saturn rules my 7th and its in its own sign (Aquarius)

If I make Saturn my ASC, that'll put Moon and Mars in the 5th house and Sun in the 7th.

I'll be going through my Rahu sub period in October for 2 years, before I start anew Mahadasha of Saturn.

Rahu is also in Libra in my 4th, just like my Mahadasha lord Jupiter. Maybe I'll move, because Rahu = transformation and 4th house = property/home.
I've been wanting to move to a new location, let's hope it happens lol.

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posted July 26, 2015 04:18 PM            

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The Chara Atmakarka is the planet with the highest degree in the birth chart, the nodes can be included in this too.
But because the Nodes move backwards, you must subtract it's degree from 30. If the result is the highest number compared to the rest of your planets, then Rahu/Ketu would become your Chara-Atmakarka.

If a retrograde planet other than the Nodes is your Chara-Atmakarka, then you don't have to subtract it's degree from 30.
However do keep in mind that a retrograde Chara-Atmakarka will be the most challenging.

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Neptunian, is this only when determining the Chara Atmakarka that you have to substract the NN degree from 30? And that's also the case in the Navamsa?

So, my NN = 20 Cap (in rasi), when we substract it from 30 that would make it 10 Cap, right?

And the Navamsa NN = 3 Cancer, which would make it 27 Cancer? (that would be the highest deg then there).

In the Rasi chart my RETRO Mars at 25 Cap (in 6th) is the Atmakarka (conj NN and opp. Sun/Venus 12th). Mars in Cap is exalted. Does that make the challenge a bit more comfortable because of its exaltedness?

posted July 26, 2015 08:13 PM            

many different views.

In Vedic astrological treatises, retrogression has been considered as an indication of strength (chestabal is the technical term used for the strength when a planet is retrograde). Some experts qualify further by saying that the natural benefics such as Venus, Mercury and Jupiter are strong while natural malefics such as Saturn and Mars are weak or evil when retrograde, unless Saturn or Mars happen to be ascendant lords or yogakarakas (by virtue of being lords of angular and trinal houses). Nothing more elaborate is generally made of the phenomenon of retrogression in most classics.
- See more at: http://www.boloji.com/index.cfm?md=Content&sd=Articles&ArticleID=1078#sthash.WPMRCT1 Y.dpuf

At least my retro Mars is yogakaraka with a Leo Lagna. MARS, as lord 4 (Scorpio) and lord 9 ( Aries )

So the Yogakaraka is that planet which has rulership over both a Kendra house and a Trikona house.

posted July 28, 2015 12:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

Though I can`t deny that the Nakshatra-Lord was SO fitting for the last 3 years. however he did also reside over my Antar-Dasha, so it is like killing two birds with one stone I suppose.

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I agree, the Mahadashalord is indeed very telling.

For me, Rahu is the Nakshatra lord of my current Mahadahsa, which I have been going through since I was 7 (that's when I moved to Canada with my parents).

I can't explain how crazy it has been, experiencing a series of intense transformations on so many levels, one after another.

* I found out about Virgo guy (Rahu sits with my Venus)

* I let go of religion/old dogmatic beliefs of my culture and rediscovered myself and my spirituality (Rahu sits with Jupiter, which rules my 9th)

* I got into astrology and other metaphysical topics

* I did a lot of travelling

posted July 28, 2015 01:11 AM            

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Yeah, well my Saturn is rather fearsome! despite it being apparently instrumental inf ulfilling my purpose.

So in D1 chart Saturn is in Gemini rx in 8th house.
it rules 3rd and 4th house.
mutally aspecting Sun, Mercury, Venus
it is receiving an aspect from Jupiter in 4th house
and also receives an aspect from Mars

(it is kinda funny Mars aspects Jupiter in his 4th house aspect and Saturn in his 8th house aspect, while Jupiter aspects Saturn in his 5th house aspect)

as for the D9 chart, Saturn is in 7th house
(still lord of 3rd and 4th)
mutually aspecting Rahu - Ketu
aspects Venus in 9th house, who is lord of 7th house, where Saturn sits and has dik bala I think
it still receives an aspect from Mars (yeah THAT one could have changed! )

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SaturnRx is actually good, it's bad effects are lessened overtime! I myself have that as well.

It also has the capacity to make one's fortunes rise later on in life, since Saturn is considered the real planet of wealth and material assets.
Something could happen involving your success within your community or even the media (3rd house) and property/conveniences (4th house)

With the mutual aspects to Sun, Mercury and Venus, your sense of self and position in life could become strengthened, along with your communication skills and love matters

posted July 28, 2015 01:52 AM            

"I guess Neptunian V. would be a nice mod also "

Thank you for the suggestion, although I don't feel I'm ready for such a responsibility. I also have a tendency to disappear for long periods of time (Moon in 12th house LOL) so maybe it would be best if it was someone who was more involved in the forum. Plus I'm only learning to scratch the surface of Jyotish, I still have a LOT to learn.

"Neptunian, is this only when determining the Chara Atmakarka that you have to substract the NN degree from 30? And that's also the case in the Navamsa?

So, my NN = 20 Cap (in rasi), when we substract it from 30 that would make it 10 Cap, right?"

Yes, but only if you are using the Parashara astrology technique. Not to be mistaken with Jaimini, which does not count the nodes as karkas.

And in the Navamshas the degrees don't matter, like Ceri said.

" Mars in Cap is exalted. Does that make the challenge a bit more comfortable because of its exaltedness?"

posted July 28, 2015 02:13 AM            

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Originally posted by mir:
Looking some things up about RETRO planets...

many different views.

In Vedic astrological treatises, retrogression has been considered as an indication of strength (chestabal is the technical term used for the strength when a planet is retrograde). Some experts qualify further by saying that the natural benefics such as Venus, Mercury and Jupiter are strong while natural malefics such as Saturn and Mars are weak or evil when retrograde, unless Saturn or Mars happen to be ascendant lords or yogakarakas (by virtue of being lords of angular and trinal houses). Nothing more elaborate is generally made of the phenomenon of retrogression in most classics.
- See more at: http://www.boloji.com/index.cfm?md=Content&sd=Articles&ArticleID=1078#sthash.WPMRCT1 Y.dpuf

At least my retro Mars is yogakaraka with a Leo Lagna. MARS, as lord 4 (Scorpio) and lord 9 ( Aries )

So the Yogakaraka is that planet which has rulership over both a Kendra house and a Trikona house.

Interesting all those new concepts.

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According to Kapiel Raaj, planets that are retrograde give the same result as direct planets.

All they have is just more detailing power, because they tend to look back to make sure everything is done right.

posted July 28, 2015 02:32 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
That looks pretty great, doesn`t it?
maybe you move because you fall in love and get married?

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posted July 28, 2015 08:26 AM              

I hear you about Rahu mahadasha.
I had that from 1981 - 1999. Granted that was my childhood and teenage years, and there were a lot of transformations naturally, including sicknesses and deaths of both of my grandfathers and other family members, birth of my youngest brother, moving etc.

posted July 28, 2015 08:29 AM              

"Something could happen involving your success within your community or even the media (3rd house) and property/conveniences (4th house)"
I`d like that, and I think there is a bit ground for this. as I have been made to get a bit involved in the cooperation between my school and certain theatre troups and activities.