posted July 26, 2001 06:58 PM              

You have an extremely well thought out and well rounded opinion on the subject of abundance. Many thanks for sharing it with Lindaland!

We have the same middle name-beautiful, isn't it?

posted July 27, 2001 12:15 AM              

And being an accountant, you have first hand knowledge of just what money can do or not do. People need to remember that money is just an idea...how you handle that idea is up to you...

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posted July 28, 2001 07:27 AM              

Charismatique, I like the middle name too

posted July 28, 2001 08:07 AM              

I've worked for years on all sorts of poverty issues, mostly in developing nations. Currently I'm working on land issues (and really should be writing that paper rather than playing here ).

When you or I are lucky enough to buy our first home, it's a given that the land undernearth belongs to us as well - it's part of the deal. That's why you and I can get a mortgage (aside from having the credit it to do so) - because if we default the bank can foreclose and sell the land (with house) to someone else. It's never about the physical house.

In developing nations, land is not for sale. In most countries, no one really knows who exactly owns the land. There were never records kept - mostly information handed down from one jefe or tribal chief to the next. And, human nature being what it is so often (sigh), enough bribes can get you what you want, even if the person you are bribing has no right to give it to you.

In South America and Africa (the two countries I deal with most), it's a deeply tangled mess. And without this one simple step in the process, economic progress for most of the poor is out of the question.

Why? They can't get a loan to farm or create goods to help improve their financial standing. They can't buy the farm land, in most cases, but if they could take a loan on their homeland (they can build a house, but they never owe it), they can't buy seeds or tools to farm it correctly. A mother cannot buy something as simple as an old sewing machine to make clothes for her family and have enough left over to sell. It's not a lot of money, but it means the difference between having just enough to survive and having just a little more to send a child to school (which isn't free in SA or A as it is in the "developed" world). It can mean the difference between having only grains on the table for dinner and having protein and grains occassionally.

When I came across this particular issue several years ago (while working on a degree in economics - college does have some uses ), I was amazed to realize how this one simple piece of buracracy, one small step, can create such a difference in a life. Something that I never really thought about before - because it isn't a problem in the developed nations. I can take a loan out to build my business or create a new one, because I own my land and my home. Without owning the land, I would never be able to do that.

I've really wandered off topic here, I know! And I orginally had a point, but I seem to have lost track of it! LOL I thought of deleting the above, but realized that others might not know about these land issues as well and be just as amazed as I first was. So, I'll leave it.

I also think my higher self is telling me to get to work!

posted September 02, 2001 04:33 AM            

I try to save money, but I do it because I have a future I have to start. This world is so expensive to live in, even the basics are staggeringly high priced now. If only I don't have to save so much, but I *did* withdraw from my all-holy-do-not-touch savings account on a recent shopping spree I spent over $130 on it too, and I didn't care a bit. Money's the least of our riches in this life. Who needs money when you have friends?

Regarding the poor, impoverished people and helping them.. one of the things I am most proud of my mother for is giving a bum $20 once. Personally, I think everyone should give money to those who need it. That way, you're happy, they're happy, and that "green energy" I read about flows better. Plus, we can't take it with us when we leave. Might as well let others enjoy it.

Holy cowbells.. I sound much older than I truly am... is that good or bad?

In any event, there's my opinion, and I fear it sounds self centered.. so I apologize if it does.

Ja ne!
Angelique

posted January 27, 2002 11:54 PM              

Sweetpeas...

posted January 28, 2002 12:31 AM              

I can only say that I agree with a lot, especially Little Black Cat and Jools, and that's how I try to live too. I love nice things (not necessarily expensive things), and having them makes me love God more and makes me feel more generous and loving and forgiving towards others, so I can't say that poverty would make me a more spiritually fantastic person.

I have a Neptune trident on my Apollo mount - that's a three-pronged fork under my rng finger. I was told this means you will never lack money when you *need* it (not *want* it). And whenever I need something, it comes along.

Here's another "money mantra":

posted November 15, 2019 06:46 AM            

Making ourselves wealthy through other peoples suffering is not the way to do it.

There are many wealthy people who are spiritual, Deepak Chopra is the first one that comes to mind..

posted November 16, 2019 11:27 AM            

But, that doesn't seem quite true for over 70% of Others?
{I don't know the actual statistics.}

Those in the 'middle' ranges, and those who make less-than-that, are being stripped of the ability to have "leftovers" {i.e. = money available after their basic bills are paid} as COSTS are soaring in the USA.

People used-to have a greater ability to "give" to another person from their own finances.

I remember my time in religion-churches in the past.
One day, our pastor remarked how there WERE some very 'wealthy' people in the congregation; however, the finances for the running of the church-operations were taken-care-of by tithing-folks who were in the middle finance ranges.
{..He was meaning that the 'rich' people weren't tithing??, which would have relieved the burden OFF the rest of the people, for paying utilities, etc?}

Same goes for the tax-burdens on this nation?
Very lop-sided??

'Compassion' and Compassionate folks are the 'Healers and Sustainers' in a Society. They CARE about the welfare of Other-People.

I hope some "spiritual" and generous-hearted WEALTHY-people {a-la Chopra-types?} would donate a high-quality kerosene heater with fuel-supply for the two of you in your little house in West Virginia.

They would reduce the amount of "suffering" for the Collective, in this world, in a PRACTICAL hands-on way.

Frankly? I'm personally shocked that you had gone through this PAST WINTER we had, without someone IN that West Virginia community {even from the religion-churches there} not having come forward to offer to FIX your furnace!! Or, replace it-- so you'd have heat EVERY winter.

Idea--- You could contact a local "TV Station" to have a story taped on your 'need' for a furnace or heater-fix-up person for you-two?

They could even arrange for a LOCAL Commercial Heater Vendor/Business to get some free "air-time" for Helping the Community?? {Brings *them* more notoriety, and therefore increased business and potential profits??}

Sounds like an Ideal kind of show right now, as the message of DOING Kindness has gained more prominence?

We are soon entering Sagittarius Time.
Christmas Season! is a season of Giving.
Opens people's Hearts!

Your TV story would be very effective?
SOME people LOVE to GIVE, and are looking for those whom they might Bless.

posted November 19, 2019 05:36 PM            

teasel
Yes in Ohio.
We will survive somehow.
My husband is helping a tarot reader with her website etc. in betwixt his seizures.
Hopefully that will bring in some money.
They wanted to do brain surgery on him but we said no way.
We are trying but being disabled and poor and needed new computers makes writing and trying to get ahead very difficult. Lots of days one or both of us bed bound. No fun. My vision is a mess and I can barely walk.
New ills have hit and old have gotten far worse. Ugh.
With us bot totally disabled and poor;
it is so damn hard not to give up.
Having cats who love us and depend on us helps some. Extra costs but their love helps us stay optimistic.
So we must live;
for the cats.
However yes;
I am scared; So is my spouse;
wondering if we can realistically continue to survive.
But hey.....
We have to just keep going;
keep trying and trying.
Adapt or die.
We want to live;
trying to continue to do so;
One moment at a time.
Sigh.
I could rant on for pages;
but enough for now.
Ranting here helps.
Thank you both.

posted November 19, 2019 06:34 PM            

I feel that because I have been even lower than now'
eating from dumpsters;
stealing food;
sex for food;
and the list goes on;
well;
oddly even though in poverty now;
it is still strangely;
the best I have had in my life to date.
So yes;
I appreciate what I have and still try to help folks.
We both do.
So what is spirituality anyhow?
Caring and helping others as best as one can?
Well going by the first definition;
We are definitely spiritual;
spir·it·u·al
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1.
relating to or affecting the human spirit or soul as opposed to material or physical things.
"I'm responsible for his spiritual welfare"
Similar:
nonmaterial
inner
psychic
psychical
psychological
incorporeal
intangible
otherworldly
unworldly
ethereal
transcendent
mystic
mystical
numinous
metaphysical
extramundane
immaterial
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that fits us for sure;
our philosophies;
our writing projects;
our research;
and so forth.

However;
sure would like to not be impoverished.

posted January 20, 2020 05:18 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by teasel:
I thought you were here in Ohio Lexx. Although it’s no warmer here than WV.

I don’t remember the last time we had “leftover” money. If the universe is abundant, then it needs to take care of my medical bills.

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We keep thinking of a positive spin on our dismal depressing situation; health; poverty, ugh......

DEPRESSION
Anagrammed=
I PRESSED ON!

A positive Anagram from DEPRESSION!:

So we continue to press on,
and look for our fortune to improve........