posted January 25, 2005 07:41 AM              

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posted January 25, 2005 09:20 AM            

Lots of people who don't love each other have sex. Just ask any man. That's not good or bad, it just is.

Sometimes sex is all about love, and sometimes, it's just all about hot sweaty steamy fun.

LeoSweetHeart, you shouldn't worry whether or not you offend me. You are welcome to your opinions, and you are welcome to express them here at LL. I'm just another person with another opinion. I'm sure there are people who are offended when they see the breasts on the Venus de Milo or the penis on Michelangelo's David, but thank goodness the artists didn't care if they were offending. I know there are people offended by all sorts of artists, like Eminem. But thank goodness, the artists don't care. They all have their own lessons to teach us.

posted January 26, 2005 03:47 PM              

(... and your ability to put words together in such a lovely manner)

posted January 26, 2005 04:32 PM            

*sigh* God/dess knows, I am opinionated. And vocal. Lethal sometimes.

posted January 30, 2005 06:23 AM              

I personally feel sex can be taken out of control and cause problems and confusion in ones spiritual life if taken there. I don't think it should be forbidden outside of a relationship context, but I don't think it should be taken so lightly either. Actually I can only speak for myself here, you know lately I don't feel so much that what applies to me applies to others because we are all at different points in our lives and must experience certain things. There's Your Truth and then there's MY Truth. I greatly enjoy giving my body to someone who loves me and I feel my heart screaming out to me over my hormones when its casual (has been before). So I can only say I feel I'm living less soulfully and feeding my lusty hunger for "whatever" sex when I get involved in it. I know we all should love each other, but we don't have to all have sex with each other. I like to save that for my special someone..it feels extra good to me then. I guess part of this is conditioning..but hey who isn't bias with their views? In trying to be as connected with my soul and higher self, I personally have found casual sex causes me to have feelings and thoughts that lead me to deviate on my journey. So I'm happy being this way, and I don't feel inhibited at all. So yea thats me..I see your side to believe it or not. And thats why I say ah shucks we're both right.

I still have to find out if I'm a Libra or Virgo asc, but I'm starting to lean towards Libra now..because I always want to see both sides and keep everyone happy. Peace and Love yay!! haha.

posted January 30, 2005 03:59 PM            

LeoSweetHeart, no worries. Opinions, we all have 'em. However, I would submit that your ideas and ideals regarding sex are perhaps a belief system you are able to indulge.

Some people would never have sex if they waited for someone to love them.

Some people lie, and say "I love you" to have sex, when in fact they don't. They only said those words to have sex.

Many, many people all over the world have their mates chosen for them, and will never have sex for love. More marriages on earth are arranged, than not.

posted February 01, 2005 05:46 AM              

I think my worries with sex being casual stem from actually being in love and not wanting a casual sexual encounter to mess that up for me. I sometimes get scared at how sexually risque our world is becoming because I value loyalty and sharing yourself with one person. The popularity of casual sex is what scares me I guess..the excitement that is associated with it now. Especially my generation, I'm 21.

Anyways I guess we don't have to keep talking about this. I think your a beautiful person and I don't care what your sexuality is. I guess I accept everyone, but I was looking at this from a more personal perspective. Casual sex just scares me, but in a solid relationship it shouldn't so there you go.

posted February 03, 2005 12:41 PM              

OK, first of all I HATE to judge but MY GOD are you high? How could anyone say something like that is OK. I'm not a feminist but lets be realistic - prostitution is just a way to suppress women. This is no better that those Asian countries that don't give women any freedom( I'm not saying that everyone, or even most people are like that over there btw and we're in no way better than them ) there's no difference.

What prostitution is teaching is that sex is for men. They pay for it because they want it. However, sex isn't for women because apparently we don't enjoy it therefore it's unfare for us to do something that's so "disgusting" for free. I'm mean, if we don't like it why should we do it for free? We're all "frigid" right?

OK great!!!!!!!We all seem to agree so lets all go and get female genital mutilation - seeing that we have no use for that part of our body anyway. Get paid for sex cause there's nothing degrading about that and back up the "theory" - no "fact" that women hate sex, it's a "mans thing" and we're living in a "mans world" and we should be "free" to do what we want with "our" bodies. Of course, while selling our bodies it's not "our" body - we're renting it. So really it's some skanky man's body - I mean come on, he's paying for it, it's only fair right? So really selling your body means during work you don't own your own body. Soooo a job that means you don't own yourself, what does that remind me of...OH I KNOW!!!!! SLAVERY!!!! WOW!!! this just keeps getting sweeter and sweeter doesn't it.

I've got nothing against casual sex as long as both are adults. Sex and love have nothing to do with each other. You don't sleep with everyone you love and you don't love everyone you sleep with. But when both these are combined it's something very rare and special.

I'm sorry if anyone finds this offensive but I had to say something, prostitution DOES NOT liberate women, it just imprisons them emotionally and mentally. This is not an opinion it's a fact - get over it. Do you honestly think those women out there feel good about themselves. They're drugged up, filled to the brim with diseases ( if not medical then just mental ) and have no self-esteem. Oh! and do you think they had beautiful childhoods? These are broken women that were broken children. We shouldn't be saying "yeah!! there should be more of them!". Prostitutes are nothing but by-products in this messed up world, and they have to suffer for it. Trust me, there's nothing glamorous about that.

posted February 03, 2005 01:35 PM            

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This is not an oppinion it's a fact - get over it.

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Oh, really? From where did you get this fact? And, get over what? Get over having an opinion contrary to yours?

I had a friend in college. Her mother was a very high priced prostitute. She was beautiful, glamorous, well-adjusted, happy, loving...and very wealthy, with a retirement fund we all could envy.

How about Heidi Fleiss? Certainly not of the profile you paint, and repentant only because she was caught.

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MY GOD are you high?

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No, are you? Condescension is never pretty.

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sex isn't for women because apparently we don't enjoy it therefore it's unfare for us to do something that's so "disgusting" for free.

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A faulty equation. When speaking solely of female prostitution, perhaps it is merely supply and demand. Women have something men want. Men are willing to pay for it. Who's the sucker? Perhaps it is our antiquated laws regarding sex that degrade and imprison some women in the trade.

Sex is never free.

posted February 03, 2005 02:03 PM            

He doesn't mind. She doesn't mind. I told her to charge more.

posted February 05, 2005 04:48 PM              

Hey trillian, it's cool. Lets agree to disagree. Besides I wasn't venting my anger out on you anyhow.

I just lost my temper but instead held it in untill it was finally released in my post. It was a combination of anger, a headache and a high fever. As a Piscean I should have known better than to lose my temper like that, although I still stand strong with my opinion. At the end of the day every ADULT should be able to do whatever they want as long as it does not hurt anyone and is done in private. Still don't agree with selling someones body but hey - it's not like I'LL ever have to do it. My views come from being raised in both the East and West ( due to my parents work ) so I really respect the beliefs in Buddhism and follow the 3rd Precept: to obstain from sexual misconduct - as well as the other 4. I'm not a buddhist...yet. Didn't mean to get religious with you. I guess this thread was the straw that broke the camels back, it pushed me to the edge - which is so unlike me. Before this I was always SO SICK AND TIRED of the pessimistic views that all men are perverts and all women are wh*res and that's reality. WTF!!!? I'M NO WH*RE!!! - more like a nun if anything. No man I know is a pervert. I don't attract those kinds of people.

If there's anything wrong with my post it's the - it's a fact not an opinion - part. I'm pointing this out cause I'M always the one running around telling everyone facts and opinions are different. This thread and the posts are all opinions and we're all entitled to our own and for that I'm sorry - but only for that.You see I hate contradicting myself.

If you disagree with me trillian it's completely cool. I grew up with two Libras, I'm used to it by now. LOL if your friend wants to charge money that's cool - just want to point out that I've never done the "oral" thing nor would ever want to. I still feel it's kind of bad to charge though - guys don't charge us when they go down south for us not that I've ever had that done

I bet someone ( not trillian ) is wondering why I'm not P***ed. Actually I would have been if I was still sick ( getting angry while ill is REALLY not good for me - unfortunatelly it's the only time I'm likely to get upset ). Luckely most of the time I'm an "old soul" ( not literally though, I'm 21 ), I've learnt to be patient from a young age. It's a blessing that comes with being a Piscean. I'm understanding ( not always though ) and that stops me from feeling hate and anger - very Buddhist I think. However it's never a guarantee I'm like that all the time.

Let me just say that not everyone in this world is the same. Not all men are pervs and not all women are wh*res. Me and my whole family are living proof of that and there are more like us. But if anyone wants to dissagree it's cool - EXCEPT for the my family part. I'm just pointing out my opinion. I've never been in a really serious relationship - I don't know if I ever want to. But if I do I don't like people being really pessimistic about it. I believe you can get married, actually love the damn person and be happy. I trully believe that you attract the people that are like you - if you're decent you'll meet someone like that ( not saying that somebody's not decent ). If you don't agree that's fine.
I know I'm a Pisean and we sometimes have a bad relationship with reality but being a pessimist is unrealistic too. I hate reading in a book that we fish look at life through rose coloured ( UK spelling my Virgo Moon ) glasses. So therefore because we like to see the world as a completely good place we're unrealistic - but isn't seeing the world as a completely bad place unrealistic too?

Anyway back to trillian. ***** for love. Hey it's your life honey not mine. Do whatever you feel is right for you

posted February 06, 2005 12:59 AM            

I wish I could be happy

I feel like nobody wants me.

Pretty much the only thing I could do to make money is teach what I know,
Astrology, etc. In my own words.

I have a feeling it would be a waste of time.

Ill probably be cool in like 4 years when I finally come around to their point of view
(like get a regular job like everyone else)

Doesnt anyone like me for who I am?

Im not happy because im not with HER.
Am I not with her because im not happy?
Im living my life the way I want.

posted February 09, 2005 12:04 AM              

Let me tell you, there is someone for everyone. So if you are happy with your life and the way you are living it, then don't change, rather embrace what makes you happy and it will make you more interesting If you go out and try to make lots of money for the sake of ..the money then you will become just as superficial as your making all girls sound and you'll prob make a REALLY boring person. Don't try to seduce women with money because if you want love thats the wrong way to get it. Some women want to enjoy the quality of their life with a man who makes them feel like a million bucks and could care a less about being rich. Which girls are you looking at???

Another thing is in that last post you seemed to be down on yourself when you seem like a really great, interesting guy! You don't care about money, your doing your passion,you've got a cute smile you seem to be looking for true love..to a girl of that worth, you would PERFECT. But if you meet her, your lack of confidence could keep her from falling in love with you or having sex hehe. I think you should start on the inside and become happy with who you are and then you will probably attract a lot more women for sex or love your choice. Its true what they say, confidence is BIG. Know your worthwhile and interesting, cuz you ARE

I hope that helped a little, I like giving advice as you can tell

posted February 09, 2005 12:33 AM              

I totally agree that prostitution oppresses women and furthers the image of the female sex object in a guy's mind. As if society, media, strippers and the whole cha bang don't do it enough. Yea I want to be a powerful, sexual woman but I'm sick of the way men look at me when I put on a ****** skirt! Its like my body is on diplay for their viewing and imaginary pleasure. I just think women who sell themselves contribute to the way men see us. You can't put the blame on a women who is respectful of her body and has sex on her terms, when she's ready and WANTING it to that its a man's world. I think these women have the real power..we make them earn sex with our precious bodies with their character not their cheap cash.

Hi Trillian did you miss me?
I always feel kind of sad for hookers because that kind of life just seems so fake. I know there's much money to be made, so why feel sorry for them....but lets take the money out of the picture and focus on whats happening. A man wants to get "some ass" with a woman he's never met before. This is all he wants, because if he wanted more..he could take the time to KNOW a woman and date her a little then HAVE her..(possibly even on the first date) But he wants to skip all that and just screw this BODY. If a woman is constantly a BODY to men with no problem with it...then what will she start thinking of men, love, herself and what he think of women, sex and love. I just don't think a woman could be a prostitute and not be affected by it day in and day out. Sure she's making the mula, but money is nothing if your not nourishing your soul in my very humble opinion. Money is a tangent..an obstacle in some cases to spiritual development and an excuse to act in ways that go against your true nature. A soul doesn't care about money, but it will be imprnted with the messages you give it right...I mean does that make any sense to you. Sorry I know we were all settled, but I just thought of that. YOu don't have to keep explaining if ya don't want to...I still respect your opinions

posted February 09, 2005 10:05 AM            

And the darling woman said "Oh, without a doubt, money! Because one day it will be your sex appeal."

Money isn't evil. Like all things, it is both positive and negative.

To live without money, at least in the western world, is nearly impossible. If we are honest with each other, higher ideals aside for a moment, who does not dream of being financially secure? There is not a thing wrong with desiring wealth, nor is there anything wrong with enjoying your money and the comforts you can obtain with it.

It is a piece of a part of the whole of life in the material world.

Monad, to be quite frank, money will not buy you happiness. But on the other hand, you are right: a total lack of money will make you less desirable to many women. I said many, I did not say all women. I don't know why you are without money, and it's none of my business. But I assume you eat regularly, have shelter, and of course you have access to a computer, so I shall make the leap and assume you are not destitute.

It seems that you have esteem problems, judging from your last few posts. But I am not one to pull punches, because I believe that it is Truth that ultimately brings us the most comfort, and that we must begin with things that seem the most True.

You have implied that you are perhaps not interested in a regular job. Then get an irregular job. Work is good for us, it builds our sense of worth and accomplishment. Being rewarded for good work (with our pay) is also good for us. And yes, most women want a home, a family, a vacation now and then, a loving present now and then, and those things require finances of some sort.

It is not impossible to find someone kind enough, etc. You are creating your own excuses.

LeoSweetHeart, of course I missed you. I love a good academic arguement.

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I want to be a powerful, sexual woman but I'm sick of the way men look at me when I put on a ****** skirt!

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Then don't wear skirts. But I would submit that a powerful, sexy woman doesn't give a damn what a man thinks, and loves it when he desires her, knowing that the power is still hers.

posted February 09, 2005 10:32 AM            

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just want to point out that I've never done the "oral" thing nor would ever want to.

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Why? Is this one of those disgusting things pointed out in your previous posts that only wh*res could possibly like? Honey, don't knock it till you've tried it. A few times.

In her book The Happy Hooker, Xaviera Hollander maintains that if a man isn't getting it at home, he'll look for it elsewhere. And after talking to many wives, she concludes that most, if they had to choose, would rather their men see a prostitute than have an affair.

posted February 09, 2005 11:46 PM              

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Neptune's Mermaid, don't apologize for losing your temper. Temper is passion; an expression of temper is a conduit for your passion.

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posted February 10, 2005 12:20 AM              

Also you said I shouldn't wear skirts if I don't like guys seeing me a certain way. Its not my problem they see me that way, its theirs. I think i look nice in skirts and I won't let them stop me from living the way I want to. To me looking like a sex object doesn't give me power, it reduces my whole worth. Everything I am, my inner beauty, intelligence, interests etc. gets ignored and all they can see is my sex appeal. And I don't want to be more powerful than them, I'm not looking for control over men, I'm looking for equality. Women having control over men is no better than them having it over us. Two wrongs don't make a right.