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Topic: what did linda think about gayness?
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TINK
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posted November 22, 2005 07:33 PM
 
Nice segue, fayte  Personally, I'm of the opinion that 2 or more consenting adults can do whatever they wish in the privacy of their own home and it is neither my nor the government's business. I stress adults and consenting, of course. But I do grant that someone could be opposed to the idea of homosexuality and not be a bigot. To assume someone is guilty of the latter because they have admitted to the politically incorrect former, is just as bigoted, I think. Unfortunately, I see this a lot.  "unnatural sex" is so vague. Will we ever know? Even if we assume that male/female is the ideal, who lives the ideal, right? There are so many necessary experiences and adventures to be had on our way to "ideal", who's to say? I can't imagine that any honest, loving, monogamous relationship, of whatever sort, could be truly harmful. just my worthless onion IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
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posted November 22, 2005 07:35 PM
KarmaIP: Logged |
TINK
Knowflake Posts: 2191
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posted November 22, 2005 07:47 PM
What about it?IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
Knowflake Posts: 2934
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posted November 22, 2005 07:54 PM
I was answering FayteWe have complicated everything
if you break it down
into it's simplest form
Man and Woman
were made for each other
Karma is the grey the Black and White
is balance
we need to get back in balance Love and Light to ALL IP: Logged |
TINK
Knowflake Posts: 2191
From: New England
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posted November 22, 2005 07:55 PM
OK. You go first, then get back to us. IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
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posted November 22, 2005 07:57 PM
Tink,I'm waiting for you, hehe
 this balancing act is hard alone, lol IP: Logged |
fayte.m
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posted November 22, 2005 08:47 PM
TINK! 
You said:
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just my worthless onion Your onions or opinions are fine! You give your replies thought!
And yes..being opposed to the concept of anything does not make one a bigot automatically. It is the verbage used against personal things like sexual choice or being or race or sex that indicates one could be a bigot. In this case the absolute disgust and dwelling on the aspects of a certain act rather than the subject at hand...What did Linda think?....reveals more than a general preference or bias.
As to unnatural acts...Ms Goodman would be in her 80s I believe if she were still in body. Even New Agers like her had issues with the idea of sexual alternatives. Remember she was "over the hill" ie; too old to experience in full the sexual revolution of the late 1960s and early 1970s. Anyone over 30 was suspect..because they had grown up in the Ozzie and Harriet days. Her repressiveness about alternative relationships was typical of people of her generation.
I think she would have been much more open minded had she been younger.
The fact that she dived into astrology was very brave of her. But her attitudes towards sexuality were outdated.
But when persons of her generation use the phrase "unnatural acts"...they usually meant any act other than man/woman..and only the basic vaginal/penile contact...not the oral or alternative acts. Now if she were referring to beastiality or pedophilia..that would be to most folks..unnatural acts. But her generation usually meant again...only man/woman and standard sex was normal. Another thing to point out: On many law books now, are laws against sodomy...and this was more so in her day. Sodomy by law definition is not only anal intercourse..but any penile contact with any body orifice(other than vaginal) including the mouth..is considered to be an act of sodomy. So under most law definitions the act of recieving or performing fellatio is considered an act of sodomy also. It does not matter wether it is a male/female or a male/male. Curiously one hears very little comments when the issue concerns two females engaging in sexual union.
Hey...just my observations and opinion!  IP: Logged |
TINK
Knowflake Posts: 2191
From: New England
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posted November 22, 2005 09:04 PM
I think it's true that most of us to a greater or lesser degree are products (victims?) of our time and place. I don't know to what extent Linda was. I'd like to think that Truth does not genuflect to time and place. Is "outdated" always a bad thing? How often is the popular and timely idea the best one? Morality is a very private issue, isn't it? IP: Logged |
TINK
Knowflake Posts: 2191
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posted November 22, 2005 09:09 PM
Yes, that is "curious", isn't it? Gee, I wonder why?  IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
Knowflake Posts: 2934
From: piopolis, quebec canada
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posted November 22, 2005 09:09 PM
the only thing I am stating, that is wrong, is the the dirt star entry
there's nothing wrong with any other pleasures, well animals wouldn't be good, lol and I'm sure Linda had oral sex, OK, Penis
ryhmes with Venus, hehe IP: Logged |
TINK
Knowflake Posts: 2191
From: New England
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posted November 22, 2005 09:12 PM
Where exactly did you find this phrase, "dirt star"?IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
Knowflake Posts: 2934
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posted November 22, 2005 09:15 PM
In my Mind
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TINK
Knowflake Posts: 2191
From: New England
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posted November 22, 2005 09:22 PM
If I might be so bold Clearly, for your subconscious to have arrived at such a poetic phrase, you have issues with this sort of thing. I wonder why exactly? It's almost a child-like phrase. Have you explored that aspect?IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
Knowflake Posts: 2934
From: piopolis, quebec canada
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posted November 22, 2005 09:26 PM
I've plainly stated it several timesIT'S WRONG no creation there
we were made to create not breed in ecoli bacteria, or even dip
think about it, it's gross, it's wrong
the Roman Catholic Church
and the poor little boys
so damaging honestly, it's all so simple IP: Logged |
fayte.m
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posted November 22, 2005 09:29 PM
Morality is often what a society for whatever reason considers the norm.
History shows us a swing from one extreme to another repeatedly.
Again...what goes on between two consenting adults is their choice. And homosexual is a term I really wish could be dropped. The same goes for the term bisexual and yes...even heterosexual.
If we are speaking of the sexual acts/unions...yes...these terms are correct.
But..when talking of love/relationships/unions/bonds/marriage...why do these unions between two(or more) persons, of any genders, have to be stated by such blatant sexual terminology?
These terms all apply to ones sexual identity and not the union in its totality.
These terms/labels put too much emphasis on the sexuality and sexual aspects of the couple rather than the RELATIONSHIP and or LOVE.
So..any ideas on what new terms we could use that do not place the emphasis on the sexual/sexuality aspects of relationships?
It is quite a quandry.... IP: Logged |
TINK
Knowflake Posts: 2191
From: New England
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted November 22, 2005 09:30 PM
You misunderstand. I'm not arguing the benefits of anal sex. I'm pointing out your use of that name ... dirt star. It's an odd sort of thing to rise to the surface of your mind. You might want to look into it.IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
Knowflake Posts: 2934
From: piopolis, quebec canada
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posted November 22, 2005 09:35 PM
Nothing is coming to mewhat do you mean? Tink please, help me out
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TINK
Knowflake Posts: 2191
From: New England
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted November 22, 2005 09:38 PM
I tend to agree, fayte, labels take on a certain something not inherent to the thing they label. As for social norms ... hey, when in Rome ...but otherwise they too often bear little resemblence to morality. At least not mine. "True piety is acting what one knows"
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TINK
Knowflake Posts: 2191
From: New England
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted November 22, 2005 09:40 PM
Keep digging, lotus. Constant surveillance. Constant.Good night, lotus IP: Logged |
fayte.m
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posted November 22, 2005 09:48 PM
TINK..I agree with you! That term "dirt star" sounded really nasty somehow and so Freudian deep in its implications. I had pictures in my mind of a little child being so terrified of their own innocent little body that they thought(because some adult made them feel that way)they were dirty/evil and were afraid of wiping their own behind because behinds make dirty things and dirty things come out and....
Well...I have seen such messed up adults who were afraid of their own feces and bodies as a child, and their bodies as adults. It is very sad.
Lotus...TINK has a point..that was a very creepy thing to come up with. And why a star?
I knew of a young person who was terrified of roses! Roses for crying out loud! They said that they hated roses because their daddy made them smell them when they were bad. Well it ends up that the daddy had a rose tattoo near his penis..and on each buttock. They also thought they were evil because of rosebuds on their own chest(nipples)that "daddy" liked to hurt. I think you see where this is going.
So Lotus..what is it with this dirt star business?  I am not trying to be funny. I am quite serious.
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lotusheartone
Knowflake Posts: 2934
From: piopolis, quebec canada
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posted November 22, 2005 09:52 PM
Well,i have no idea, I was not molested in that way, I was raped, when I was 18, so my childhood innocense, doesn't understand, where you are going with this... IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
Knowflake Posts: 2934
From: piopolis, quebec canada
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted November 22, 2005 09:56 PM
You know
I simply
was trying to be funnyBut in this world, people like to see the worst,
they like to see you hurt
how did this turn into this? IP: Logged |
fayte.m
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posted November 22, 2005 09:59 PM
Just checking Lotus. I have been a victim as a child..raped at 9 and then at 15. I have helped many a person to deal with childhood abuse. You simply have some hallmarks of having been through some childhood trauma. But perhaps there are other reasons for some of the strange things you say. I really was trying to help just in case.
Good night Lotus.
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lotusheartone
Knowflake Posts: 2934
From: piopolis, quebec canada
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posted November 22, 2005 10:02 PM
the strange things I say?IP: Logged |
fayte.m
Knowflake Posts: 2789
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posted November 22, 2005 10:05 PM
No one wants to see you hurt. But this thread was not meant to be "funny". Ness asked a serious question.
Good night again Lotus.
Ok..please..back on track with Ness' question.
Thank you. 
PS:EDITED/ADD>>>"strange things" =dirt star. IP: Logged |
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