posted December 10, 2003 04:10 PM         

I look forward to reading Johns message

juniperb

posted December 10, 2003 07:15 PM         

I mentioned it because it is the background of what I was taught. It`s been a long hard path to overcome the instilled belief of childhood, to plug along and be rejected for not following the norm.

To be free to speak of our faith and to share without reprisal is a gift to me.

There is only one way, I believe that to be clear. It is unfolding one lock at a time. Please bear with those of us who may be smarting under the guise of Christianity. Daf, that is baggage in and of its-elf, that prayerfully, with a higher purpose and guidance, will heal and wholeness will be!

I was not disrespecting you or John. Simply the fundamental horrors of of a Pentacostal upbringing. Thrown in was the messages we all heard from the Millerites, Jehovahs Witness`s et al and their truths of the world ending. No, NOT a slam at your message, just a reminder that some people will doubt based upon past actions/deeds.... They will acept it as music or not.

juniperb

posted December 11, 2003 12:54 AM         

I hope that sharing some personal experience of fundamentalism was helpful (perhaps for Fish Kitten as well). That, in conjunction with the descriptions of various realms should clear the field a bit.

Your daylily is still blooming beautifully in my heart.

posted December 11, 2003 12:55 AM         

It is nice to hear from you once again. I am sorry for not being clear, it is a weakness that I will hopefully overcome I will make some generalizations in an effort to clear the confusion, so I hope that you will take that into consideration as well.

Those who look for the divine in nature, in universal mathematical laws or in other tangible forms are seeing the divine manifested in the third realm. The realm that mixes the seen with the unseen and the material with the immaterial. So, we can say that Stephen Hawking, Panthiests, God/Goddess admirers, or any other person/entity who materializes the immaterial is gazing into the third realm of existence. They are correct, in that, these are divine manifestations. But they are ignorant of the fact that these manifestation emanate from the fourth and fifth realm and have an ¡§origin¡¨ at the sixth realm.

Some individuals, such as our Friend Daf, would use words like ¡§pantheist¡¨ to describe himself. As he described his vision and his understanding of reality however, it was clear that he was describing the fourth or fifth realm sights. Sort of like a person who visited Disney World but was told that it was a local theme park. Another, third person who has been to both local theme parks and Disney World would listen to this visitor¡¦s descriptions and say ¡§I think you are describing Disney World¡¨. The person would then insist that they were describing the local theme park. At some point the misidentification will be sorted out.

Of course, the example of the theme park and Disney World does not imply a better or worse state. I visited my local theme park, enjoyed myself tremendously!, but never have had any desire to go to Disney World.

In this context, the Message of John is really quite simple. See the divine in whatever realm you wish, that is irrelevant so long as you understand the Source, the sixth realm and the only Reality that is worthy of worship.

So, in summary, for most, this should be a simple message with a simple result. The ¡¥sight¡¦ will remain the same, but the Understanding of the individual will expand. For others, subjected to severe conditioning or other psychological damage, it will be a more difficult personal process. For those who are called to Duty and Responsibility, it will be both a difficult personal process and a harsh public life. Those who read this and the previous explanation, will perhaps, sense if they are misaligned.

I hope that I have not failed you again my Friend and do please write if I have. The book will be ready soon and I have a few editorial copies. Email me an address and I will post one to you, signed by the three of us of course

Your Friend
Meili

posted December 11, 2003 06:16 PM         

I neglected to clear one additional point. According to the Teaching of the realms that I outlined earlier, The Christ was what one would term a perfected man or a perfected human. Thus he moved easily between the various realms and had a perfect understanding of the fifth realm of existence, that which is closest to the Unknowable, Known only to itself.

Thus, from the perspective of any human being accessing only the first three realms, it would be quite easy to confuse The Christ with the Unknowable (the only Real) or with “God”, the most unified manifestation of the fifth realm. Accessing a certain realm or manifestation is not the same as BEING The Manifestor (The Real, the Sixth, The Originator Know only to itself by itself). Those who promulgated the fraud Daf details knew of the possible confusion inherent in the various realms of Knowing and exploited it to distort the message, purpose and life of The Christ.

Thank you again Seeshells! You make me round out my own picures

posted December 11, 2003 08:11 PM         

I had a quick question about the planes of manifestation/differentiation. Is the highest realm, that which is the closest to the Absolute, the first realm or the fifth. Your initial post said first and this last one stated the fifth. Thanks so much!

Sincerely,
divinia

posted December 12, 2003 12:05 AM         

Yes, this is the most difficult part conceptually.

The fifth realm is the highest any human can aspire to Knowing or Perceiving. It is still a realm or a plane. It is the first Manifestation.

The sixth is the Unknowable. Known only to itself of itself. This cannot even properly be said to possess a Name. It is the Unnamable. It is NOT a Manifestion. It is the only Real.

So, in that sense the "highest" is the Unknowable and Unnamable, the only Real.

But the "highest" level of perception a human can aspire to is the fifth, or as we name it "God", "Allah", "The Creator" or any other historically monotheistic Name assigned in this realm. This IS a Manifestation.

Thank you for pointing out my ambiguity. Please do note if I have created other confusions.

Peace and Blessings.

posted January 02, 2004 03:45 PM         

Since John seems to understand the Revelation, have you come by any information as to who actual the author was?

juniperb

posted January 27, 2004 08:11 AM         

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posted January 28, 2004 08:22 AM         

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posted July 22, 2004 07:06 PM         

I miss these discussions and sharing

juniperb

posted July 22, 2004 09:58 PM         

Thank you all for your "light".

posted July 24, 2004 11:28 AM         

I've gathered so much esoteric information from LindaLand. So many pilgrams sharing their stories from the road and the questions in their hearts.

And to think - before I found LindaLand I thought maybe I was all alone

posted August 18, 2004 09:52 AM         

Love,