posted December 10, 2003 07:55 AM              

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I think people with kids, who are also trying for immortality, should at least try to answer Linda's riddle as to why this will not lead to over-population.

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posted December 10, 2003 09:11 AM            

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Interestingly, there was an article in yesterday's USA Today about the population decreasing in the coming decade. Sorry, but I only skimmed the article, so I don't have details for you.

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posted December 10, 2003 01:09 PM              

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For every regulation aimed at subverting natural population controls, new methods of population control shall arise. As natural methods are made less effective through technology, technological population controls will replace them.

Plus I think it is important to point something out: the world is HARDLY over-populated. It's the fact that we have been flocking to the cities like flies drawn into an electro-zapper that makes it seem that way. There are VAST expanses that are virtually unused, uninhabited, untamed. Worldwide, human populations cover less than 30% of the Earth's populable surface.

Of added interest should be the question, not of immortality, but of why it is that we approve both governmental efforts to prolong life, reduce deaths AND increase premarital, consequence free sexual activity? (Take the latest legislation in California which allows a new mother to drop off her newborn at the hospital and walk away. Yeehaw! Sex without consequence OR responsibility!)

Our television sets are replete with images of graphic sexual activity, sexual innuendo, the fashions are lower cut, show more skin, increase desire and promote sexual experimentation on a global scale by younger and younger couples. Women are promoted as sex objects and MEN ARE TOO. What's the message here? "Talk about it, look at it, think about it, but don't do it?"

Of course not. As we are helped to live longer, and encouraged to reproduce mindlessly, the message is this:

The more of you that there are, the more of you there are to pay taxes and tithes, buy products, work in factories and offices, and fill the endless number of slots available for human tools/consumers. You think the Matrix was science fiction "copper top"?

Think again; it was symbolic reality. There is a Matrix, we are plugged into it, and it's right there in front of our eyes.

The beast grows fat on our blind devotion to feeding it.

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posted December 10, 2003 01:25 PM            

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The Earth can easily accomodate ten times its current populace. The problem is in misallocation of resources.

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posted December 10, 2003 01:31 PM              

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Yeah...let's just swarm over every inhabitable part of the earth...nevermind the other things living there.

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posted December 11, 2003 09:49 AM              

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I am not wanting to blame parents, or deny them hope of life extension, as this would lead to a great many disappointed and resentful people and make the world a vastly more unhappy place. Perhaps the answer is to find some way that people who have already "reproduced themselves", yet wish to prolong their personal existence can compensate by contributing something extra?

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posted December 12, 2003 12:35 PM              

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...like perhaps, a commitment to raise their children to have other ambitions than "romance" and parenthood. But my main interest here is Linda's psychology. We all agree that Linda was fallible. I submit that we can learn best from her if we pinpoint her weaknesses. To look at this particular doctrine: Linda had several children and wished to be immortal. Also,she had a (Roman Catholic?) abhorrence of unreproductive sex, which in turn conflicted with her(protestant?) revulsion for the celibate life. Hence the "secret of immortality without overpopulation"?

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posted December 21, 2003 09:37 AM              

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Linda also beleived that the North must always triumph over the South, so perhaps she was trying to ensure a good supply of Northerners for this purpose.

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posted December 22, 2003 06:09 PM            

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Who said Linda had a problem with unreproductive sex? You must've never read her Love poetry.

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posted December 23, 2003 12:28 PM              

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All these ideas I refer to are contained in the forewords and afterwords (to me the most interesting parts) of her astrology books

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posted December 24, 2003 12:57 PM            

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I just don't recall her saying that.

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posted December 27, 2003 12:28 PM            

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She mentioned at least once when the South triumphed.

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posted January 13, 2004 12:49 PM              

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Okay, we have different recall. I would be interested to know where you think Linda's weaknesses lie. Other visitors to the site have noted Linda's lack of sympathy for child-free women and ambiguous attitude to abortion. Regarding space travel; it is certainly possible that an earlier race of humans has laid waste various planets in the universe. Apparently we are already polluting the ionosphere with debris as we do to every wilderness we visit. I appreciate the existence of this forum, where matters like these can be discussed freely.

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posted January 14, 2004 12:30 PM            

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I think her only real weakness was her temper.

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posted January 15, 2004 01:15 PM            

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And (according to Gooberz) her difficulty in forgiving.

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posted February 24, 2004 12:20 PM              

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Hi maklhouf,

I personally do not consider Linda's attitude towards abortion "ambiguous" at all. She always emphasised that if people relied on astrology birth control, THERE WOULD NEVER EVER BE ANY NEED FOR ABORTION. There would be no unwanted pregnancies.

With regard to her temper (She is an Aries after all!!! ), I always think it's amazing and magical when people are able to recognise their own weaknesses - self-criticism is in my view one of the greatest spiritual traits.

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posted February 25, 2004 01:16 PM              

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Hi miracle,
I think you are right about abortion, but I am not entirely sure that was Linda's position. To be honest, I skipped parts of her intros when I saw which way they were tending, having had my fill of that sort of thing at the time. So I can't argue every comma.

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Hi miracle,
I think you are right about abortion, but I am not entirely sure that was Linda's position. To be honest, I skipped parts of her intros when I saw which way they were tending, having had my fill of that sort of thing at the time. So I can't argue every comma.

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posted February 26, 2004 10:35 AM            

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Miracle:

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posted February 26, 2004 11:32 AM              

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I personally agree very much with Linda that there should be no need for abortions and "unwanted pregnancies" (what a horrible phrase).

Could it be that, as Linda was growing spiritually, opening up new horizons each day, she accordingly adjusted her beliefs about abortions? I am firmly of the view her position on "abortions" is the one presented in the lexigram chapter of Star Signs.

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posted February 27, 2004 05:48 AM              

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I was not really meaning things like, anger, which are personal. I meant things we can learn from. A person's mistakes are far more instructive than their successes. Stop by my website if you like, Miracle. I need you in my guestbook!

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posted February 27, 2004 01:00 PM              

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Willingly M, what's the address?

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posted February 28, 2004 06:31 AM              

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http://santastigmata.bravehost.com
Go to News and Miracles

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posted February 29, 2004 07:33 AM              

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Intriguing and thought-provoking, M. I enjoyed it, especially "the royal we"... Let US make man in OUR image... again one of the phrases from the "holy works" that Linda had examined and explained so clearly.

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posted March 01, 2004 05:11 AM              

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Your name is the reason I asked you. My guestbook is for Miracles and I thought it would be cool to have a miracle in there. I have not got one yet. Would you sign it?

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