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Topic: Conspiracy?
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SunChild
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From: Australia
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted May 23, 2005 08:22 PM
 
Well I've just been thinking about something recently that I wish to discuss, as I have a feeling Linda would agree with me on this.
I don't know if this applies to the U.S., but in Australia, on all ciggarette packets there are Government Health Warnings.
On the front of every packet are BIG BOLD words that give a warning, like a) SMOKING KILLS b) SMOKING CAUSES HEART DISEASE/LUNG CANCER ect... c) SMOKING HARMS OTHERS...ect...  Okay, that's fair enough, but you see, I DO NOT see them as health warnings, rather I look at them like they are affirmations!!!
By reading them daily (if you smoke daily) you are putting these affirmations into your subconcious, which is very dangerous. Most people already believe these things are True, is it a conspiracy to make the mass population make believe this? What are your thoughts? I have more to say on the matter soon. I keep a packet that I have altered, I used white out to cover up these affirmations, so I never look at them. \
Really, I wish not to smoke, I am almost at the point where I do not desire them anymore. ------------------
"The dream was always running ahead of me. To catch up, to live for a moment in unison with it, that was the miracle." Anais Nin IP: Logged |
fayte.m
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From: ~out looking for Schrodinger's cat~
Registered: Mar 2005
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posted May 24, 2005 01:17 AM
SunChild! I have been at both ends of the smoker/nonsmoker issue.
The view you have on them I believe is correct. The same goes for driving ourselves insane over every health concern, be it weight, the food we eat and so on. I had an aunt that was the ultimate health freak. No meat, no caffiene, no alcohol, no smoking, daily vigorous exercise,etc. She was always trying to get people to do things her way. Well she was deathly afraid she would get cancer if she did any of the "bad" things. Well one day she was jogging...feeling just fine. Then out of the blue she felt dizzy and experienced angonizing pain in her back. She was dead within a year. Cancer of the kidney, had spread to every body organ despite radical surgery and radiation and chemo. It then spread to her brain and eyes, and lungs. It was a terrible lingering way to go. But she was always warning people about the dangers of every new or old scare to come down the pike. Then you get my relatives who ate meat and smoked like chimneys. Yes some did fall to illness and death due to their lifesyle habits and preferences. But many more lived to ripe old ages up to 105 years old. The youngest of these "hedonists" to die was 76 years old. But the difference for the most part was the non worriers lived longer than the worriers...no matter how fat or what their indulgences were.
I know people will disagree with us both...but worrying oneself to death with these sumliminal affirmations to be in constant fear that the "sky is going to fall..FOR SURE! Yes! Yes! Yes! It will! That is what I read! So by golly! It must be true!"....well fear is the mind killer and in my opinion it can be a body killer also. All things in moderation! All. 
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maklhouf
Knowflake Posts: 854
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posted May 24, 2005 04:46 AM
Sunchild, that was BRILLIANT!IP: Logged |
wildflwrs
Knowflake Posts: 479
From: Albuquerque
Registered: Oct 2004
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posted May 24, 2005 12:54 PM
I don't think very many people that smoke even look at those warning messages. Well, I gave up smoking....and it was very easy for me to do. It didn't require willpower. I felt that the desire just left me. It's just some law that was passed and they have a duty to warn people. But, yeah, we can use positive affirmations--and I do--for health and healing. There are people that have a strong constitution and live long lives no matter what their diet is and no matter what their habits are. That's not something that is easy to determine though. I think the body has a mind of its own and will let us know what it doesn't like--if you listen to the cues.
I know, too, that Adelle Davis who wrote many books on nutrition died of cancer. Linda McCartney, a vegetarian, died of breast cancer. I just think that health is our most valuable asset and an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
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maklhouf
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posted May 25, 2005 08:44 AM
Adele Davis was a heavy smokerIP: Logged |
geminstone
Knowflake Posts: 659
From: Golden, CO
Registered: Nov 2004
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posted May 25, 2005 12:51 PM
My thoughts, rather... belief, is that you are right, SunChild. Awsome brainstorm into the
'brainwash'!
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wildflwrs
Knowflake Posts: 479
From: Albuquerque
Registered: Oct 2004
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posted May 25, 2005 07:47 PM
Where did you get that info--that Adelle Davis was a heavy smoker?IP: Logged |
maklhouf
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posted May 26, 2005 04:59 AM
A book with a title, something like What killed Adele Davis. She hid it, of course. Did someone say LG was also a smoker?IP: Logged |
Saturn's Child
Knowflake Posts: 867
From: Just left of center
Registered: May 2004
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posted May 26, 2005 01:16 PM
I was a smoker for 30 years and used anything and everything I could think of to justify the addiction. I was thrilled when Shirley McClain said she smoked to help keep her grounded..(give me a break). I tried many ways and many times to quit. Finally, it was quit or die and I put them down and left them. It feels wonderful to be free of them. I no longer worry that I don't have enough or can't find a lighter, or matches, or get antsy because I need a nicotine break.
I don't speak for everyone, but I feel so much better now that I wish the same for evryone else who smokes. It is not easy by any means, but it can be done.
And are they really harmful....well, yes..inhaling carbon dioxide everyday several times a day is harmful whether the package says so or not!IP: Logged |
Randall
Webmaster Posts: 23283
From: Columbus, GA USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted May 27, 2005 12:14 PM
Interesting observations.  ------------------
"There is no use trying," said Alice; "one can't believe impossible things." "I dare say you haven't had much practice," said the Queen. "When I was your age, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." Lewis Carroll IP: Logged |
26taurus
Knowflake Posts: 10042
From: the stars
Registered: Jun 2004
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posted May 28, 2005 02:46 AM
I'm a smoker too Sun. I dont read those warnings anymore, but, I know they are there. Very good observations. 
Makes you wonder....
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SunChild
Moderator Posts: 3032
From: Australia
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted June 03, 2005 08:18 PM
I just read the Government may use graphic images instead of written warnings one day, that's now on the agenda, but I don't know how long it would take.
I think the images would have a greater affect, and alot of people will be put off. I certainly have a weak stomach!------------------
"The dream was always running ahead of me. To catch up, to live for a moment in unison with it, that was the miracle." Anaïs Nin IP: Logged |
lalala
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From: st. louis, mo
Registered: Oct 2004
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posted June 09, 2005 05:42 PM
if you believe that life is an eternal now then smoking cigarettes means you are killing yourself actively within your eternal now. if you chose cigarettes you are choosing death, and as we know, death is a choice. by smoking cigarettes the action contradicts the thought and that is what causes cancer in my opinion.the companies know how addiction works. they are very smart. cigarettes in my opinion are for those who need a fix every once in a while, who cant be satisfied with every moment. i know... ive smoked for quite a few years and only recently quit. for a less evolved smoker they understand without doubt they will surely die one day so they might as well smoke cigs on the way. but that thought also makes these people do alot of other harmful things to themselves and others, because they're "going to die anyway". with that attitude they surely will. my most recent comment on the cigarette companies regards the new mini menthols marlboro has out. they have a green pack and a blue pack which are displayed in every gas station right next to each other- but my friends, they are the same cigarette. allowing the addict to chose blue somedays and green others.... even the cigarette companies understand the use of colors IP: Logged |
weirdnez
Knowflake Posts: 27
From: welland, ontario, canada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted June 09, 2005 10:13 PM
Here in Canada we have those packs too. I used to smoke heavily but quit about 6 months ago. Hurray for me!Anyway, I never thought of it like that before. That's genious! Or rather, that's Horrible! It's good that you discovered it's tru meaning though. If I was still smoking I'd get a slip for the pack with positive affirmations against smoking. "Cigarrettes taste like **** !" "Spend 5k a year on something better!" "You CAN quit!" "This has served you, move on!" "I deserve better!!!" ------------------
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weirdnez
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From: welland, ontario, canada
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posted June 09, 2005 10:15 PM
Ours have both words AND pictures. Brains and guts, pregnant women smoking, a wilted cigarette for importent symbolisum------------------
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Randall
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posted June 10, 2005 10:11 AM
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"There is no use trying," said Alice; "one can't believe impossible things." "I dare say you haven't had much practice," said the Queen. "When I was your age, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." Lewis Carroll IP: Logged |
SunChild
Moderator Posts: 3032
From: Australia
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posted June 10, 2005 09:06 PM
Right on weirdnez!!! Those are better affirmations.
I like those!
Tell yourself that it tastes bad, tell yourself it makes you stink, tell yourself you hate them.
I actually started doing that 2 days ago, I kept saying "I don't like them", and maybe it's starting to work, I think, I am down to only 3 a day.Thank's for your input lalala!  ------------------
"The dream was always running ahead of me. To catch up, to live for a moment in unison with it, that was the miracle." Anaïs Nin IP: Logged |
maklhouf
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posted June 14, 2005 07:55 AM
I often think similarly about weather forecasting.Do those guys predict the weather or ordain it? when they get it wrong, is it because nobody was listening? 
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SunChild
Moderator Posts: 3032
From: Australia
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted June 14, 2005 07:20 PM
That's interesting maklhouf...well I used to ask, if prophets that predict cataclysmic events and the end of the world, is it really a really an insight, or is it being ordained?I have no idea. ------------------
"The dream was always running ahead of me. To catch up, to live for a moment in unison with it, that was the miracle." Anaïs Nin IP: Logged |
maklhouf
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posted June 15, 2005 06:25 AM
I'm totally with you there, Sunchild. That's why I have no time for the "gift" of precognition. There's absolutely no way to tell what's going on.It could be ESP or psycho kinesis just as easily.IP: Logged |
26taurus
Knowflake Posts: 10042
From: the stars
Registered: Jun 2004
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posted June 20, 2005 04:50 PM
Hey Sun!I read this last night and thought of this thread. Wanted to type it out for you and anyone else dealing with an addiction. How do you see the problem of addiction? "The nature of addiction is fear. So I will deal with the expression of fear through the doorways of addiction and illness. Each of you, when you are born, contracts a fatal disease. It is fear. Now, what has addiction to do with fear? Those of a particular kind of sensitivity feel they cannot bear this world and are seeking a way to touch Home. They try to desensitize themselves, and so they find some substance which seems to offer a breath of fresh air. Whatever chemical is chosen, it is initially intended simply as a respite. There are those who have chosen a physical body and designed it carefully who find themselves addicted to some form of escape until that escape becomes a poison. Then either the body must die or the human being must come to terms with the reality of the world that says, "There is no escape that way." If the soul is ready to make that next turn, then the one who is addicted moves into treatment to heal. Addiction is always a path of awakening." from, Emmanuel's Book, The Choice to Love compiled by Pat Rodegast and Judith Stanton. Really great book. I recommend picking it up. IP: Logged |
SunChild
Moderator Posts: 3032
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posted June 20, 2005 08:56 PM
Thanks 26 Very intersting!
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Randall
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posted June 21, 2005 01:03 PM
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"There is no use trying," said Alice; "one can't believe impossible things." "I dare say you haven't had much practice," said the Queen. "When I was your age, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." Lewis Carroll IP: Logged |
SunChild
Moderator Posts: 3032
From: Australia
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posted January 23, 2006 03:35 AM
I've been giving this more thought lately. The reason I was able to quit smoking so easily, quickly and stayed a non-smoker was because I acknowledged within myself there was no physical addiction to begin with.
Your body cannot become addicted to these things!
It's all in the mind and what we are told to believe.We think they are addictive because we are being convinced that, not because it's true.
Of course they can be harmful, they are toxic! But the body cannot become addicted to it, it's what you believe, I proved that to myself by altering my beliefs. I know I'm on to something, and I may not have hit the nail on the head yet, but it's good to question these things. ------------------
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Yang
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From: Somewhere over the Clouds
Registered: May 2004
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posted January 23, 2006 05:45 PM
We have the same thing here in South Africa. BUt it evens goes a step further. Years ago, the government banned any form of cigarette advertising! So you will not find an advert for cigarettes in a paper, magazine, on tv etc.
I think that the cigarette companies don't really care as they know that people will smoke, so they put the warnings on (to look like they care), but at the same time, they get money to kill people.IP: Logged |
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