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Topic: Cloning?
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Randall
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From: Columbus, GA USA
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posted March 09, 2001 02:09 PM
 
Well, we have mastered cloning now and are able to clone pets (cats and dogs only). The price tag is 4 million bucks (which people are actually paying), but once we get several "cloning factories" in place, the price will be reduced to about $20,000. What do you Knowflakes think about this?The next step will be to clone humans (with undeveloped brains) to use for transplants (spare parts). But what if the human bodies don't have brain damage? What if they are just like children, and they can think simplistically? Wouldn't this be slavery to keep them locked up for body parts? What will be the ramifications of cloning humans? Should it be allowed?  ------------------
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You can do it again, the other way 'round? Now that we know how many degrees,
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YIVY
Knowflake Posts: 4747
From: Louisiana
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted March 09, 2001 04:50 PM
I think you have really opened a BIG 'can of worms'. The moral issues of cloning is going to split the people even more than the abortion one. In order to use the 'cloned' spare parts unit there must be an absolute way to destroy the brain stem. Even then, how do we know we have prevented a soul from entering the new body. On the plus side...I have a feeling this will prompt more research into the actual soul. Perhaps even resulting in a 'device' to determine if the body contains a soul. But, tell that to someone who has lost a child and has the means to re-produce that child...it would be a hard choice! A lot of variables to this question. 
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gooberlily
Knowflake Posts: 2296
From: Brooklyn, (and Norwich) NY, USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted March 10, 2001 12:49 AM
I was just watching something on one of the news channels on cable tonight about how a doctor in Italy is going to clone within the next four years or so, and I believe he has narrowed the parents down to 10 couples (or is going to, shortly). I'm not sure how I feel about cloning. Are identical twins considered clones because they are split around conception? Anyone know?And YIVY, you're right...this cloning thing is a can o' worms  If it isn't a big can, it will be sooner or later in a few years. I'm sure Christians (especially Catholics) will have quite a lot to say about it, the Pope and several religious leaders have already said it's a violation of natural law and goes against God, in their opinion. IP: Logged |
Randall
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From: Columbus, GA USA
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posted March 10, 2001 01:47 AM
Twins are not really clones; cloning involves removing the nucleus of an egg and replacing it with new DNA material. Jurassic Park is not too far in the future! ------------------
Consider the circle, measure it please,
All its three hundred and sixty degrees.
Wasn't that fun, and haven't you found
You can do it again, the other way 'round? Now that we know how many degrees,
Must be accounted for nice as you please
Here come astrologers, what do they say?
Divide the degrees in precisely this way.
Take thirty degrees for each of the signs
It makes a nice wheel divided by lines. Chris Angelino IP: Logged |
eternal
Knowflake Posts: 312
From: In the Crystal Mountains, NC
Registered: Jan 2001
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posted March 10, 2001 11:47 AM
I saw 20/20 a couple of weeks ago when this was one of the main topics of the program. As I was listening, it made me literally sick to my stomach. I suddenly had this image of "before", like another place in "time" and just knew what they were planning was inharmonious with Universal Law. You can't breathe without Spirit... with Spirit you have a Soul... whether split or all together. So imagine, if you will, a cloned human, bringing with it with breath, (a Spirit and Soul)... and then they are used just for "parts", like cars in a junk yard. How harmonious is this? Not. If this happens, I can see the ramifications of it... the lessons to be learned, hopefully this "time" around. It could be karmically, that the ones who were cloned before (The Spirit-Higher S-elf with Soul), are now here to clone those that did the same to them. Meaning, the bodies they "create" will have the Spirit of the ones who cloned then before. It's like they know not what they do consciuosly, following the law of karma, not re-membering that they have the power to break that law willfully, in harmony through love and forgiveness.  Love to all of you
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Randall
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posted March 10, 2001 12:17 PM
Eternal, I whole edly agree with you about cloning and spare parts. ------------------
Consider the circle, measure it please,
All its three hundred and sixty degrees.
Wasn't that fun, and haven't you found
You can do it again, the other way 'round? Now that we know how many degrees,
Must be accounted for nice as you please
Here come astrologers, what do they say?
Divide the degrees in precisely this way.
Take thirty degrees for each of the signs
It makes a nice wheel divided by lines. Chris Angelino IP: Logged |
gooberlily
Knowflake Posts: 2296
From: Brooklyn, (and Norwich) NY, USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted March 10, 2001 09:39 PM
Yes, I find the "spare parts" thing troubling too IP: Logged |
YIVY
Knowflake Posts: 4747
From: Louisiana
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted March 10, 2001 11:41 PM
Especially when they could continue working on jump starting your own cells to re-build the damaged or missing part.Wasn't that something Linda spoke about?  ------------------
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YIVY
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YIVY
Knowflake Posts: 4747
From: Louisiana
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted March 11, 2001 11:03 PM
And keep 'em in our freezer...DRAT! That power saw done cut off my leg..."MA..get one of my legs out of the fridge....not the left one the right one!" "Fetch me that super glue while you're at it!"  ------------------
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YIVY
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sadoi
Knowflake Posts: 27
From: Chicago, IL
Registered: Jan 2001
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posted March 15, 2001 12:30 PM
There is another method they're already using of getting spare parts... though I don't agree with this method, either... I'm not sure of the details exactly, 'cause I studied this two years ago in my genetics class, but it goes something like this. They take a just aborted fetus's cells, and grow it in these vat-like things, and different conditions produce different cells, like muscle-cells, skin cells, etc. I'm not sure if they can grow organs from this, but that technology will probably come, too. Creeped me out the first time I heard about it, though, and still does. I mean, wouldn't more people go for an abortion, this way, knowing that they'd be paid well for their dead fetus? Ick!
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Randall
Webmaster Posts: 25287
From: Columbus, GA USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted March 15, 2001 03:30 PM
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Consider the circle, measure it please,
All its three hundred and sixty degrees.
Wasn't that fun, and haven't you found
You can do it again, the other way 'round? Now that we know how many degrees,
Must be accounted for nice as you please
Here come astrologers, what do they say?
Divide the degrees in precisely this way.
Take thirty degrees for each of the signs
It makes a nice wheel divided by lines. Chris Angelino IP: Logged |
gooberlily
Knowflake Posts: 2296
From: Brooklyn, (and Norwich) NY, USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted March 15, 2001 10:16 PM
Ick is right! Ick. I remember back when I was about twelve years old, I got a free sample of one of those "foreign and exotic" wrinkle creams for 5 bucks or something. I brought it in for show and tell, and I remember my sixth grade teacher looking at the label on the jar after class and saying to me, "Do you know what that ingredient is right there?" I looked at the jar and my eyes bugged out. It actually said "Placenta" as one of the ingredients. Ick. IP: Logged |
YIVY
Knowflake Posts: 4747
From: Louisiana
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted March 15, 2001 10:52 PM
This is what I think they ought to do...all of our genetic code is in our umbilical cord...why throw it away.Freeze dry it (or whatever) and use the cells as needed to repair our body. There has been studies done that show implants of the cord cells can jumpt start the ones needed to regrow the damaged part. The cells are just as good or better than fetus cells. AND NO ONE IS HARMED!  ------------------
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Randall
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posted March 17, 2001 01:31 AM
There's only a single potential problem with that; the body might reject the stem cells. But it's a terrific idea!------------------
Consider the circle, measure it please,
All its three hundred and sixty degrees.
Wasn't that fun, and haven't you found
You can do it again, the other way 'round? Now that we know how many degrees,
Must be accounted for nice as you please
Here come astrologers, what do they say?
Divide the degrees in precisely this way.
Take thirty degrees for each of the signs
It makes a nice wheel divided by lines. Chris Angelino IP: Logged |
YIVY
Knowflake Posts: 4747
From: Louisiana
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted March 17, 2001 01:37 AM
It is your own cord...your own cells. No rejection....There would be no way to black market it as it would only work with what you were born with... ------------------
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YIVY
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Randall
Webmaster Posts: 25287
From: Columbus, GA USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted March 17, 2001 01:52 AM
Interesting!  ------------------
Consider the circle, measure it please,
All its three hundred and sixty degrees.
Wasn't that fun, and haven't you found
You can do it again, the other way 'round? Now that we know how many degrees,
Must be accounted for nice as you please
Here come astrologers, what do they say?
Divide the degrees in precisely this way.
Take thirty degrees for each of the signs
It makes a nice wheel divided by lines. Chris Angelino IP: Logged |
gooberlily
Knowflake Posts: 2296
From: Brooklyn, (and Norwich) NY, USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted March 20, 2001 09:23 PM
That's right YIVY! I heard something about that, saving the umbilical cord...I think that has promise, definitely.IP: Logged |
Randall
Webmaster Posts: 25287
From: Columbus, GA USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted March 21, 2001 12:36 AM
It would be nice if they could use foreign stem cells (without rejection) to help people already here. ------------------
"The ancestor to every action is a thought." EMERSON IP: Logged |
gooberlily
Knowflake Posts: 2296
From: Brooklyn, (and Norwich) NY, USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted April 07, 2002 01:32 AM
I thought this might be an interesting topic to keep IP: Logged |
Gooberzlostlovefound
Knowflake Posts: 1205
From: and the embers never fade in your city by the lake
Registered: Jan 2002
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posted April 07, 2002 11:20 AM
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tash479
Knowflake Posts: 165
From: columbus, ga
Registered: Sep 2001
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posted April 07, 2002 05:57 PM
i don't agree with the whole cloning for body parts or anything like that but the stem cell debate is one that has been going on for the last year. bush was saying that we could only use the stem cell lines that we have already cultivated. i kinda agree with this because the thing about stem cells is that they can cahnge into any other cell that is needed, their transitional. they can be used to cure alzeheimer's, parkinson's, paralysis, all types of things. you just gotta use it the right way.------------------
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Randall
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posted July 15, 2002 12:00 AM
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"He who is devoid of the power to forgive is devoid of the power to love." Martin Luther King, Jr. IP: Logged |
Randall
Webmaster Posts: 25287
From: Columbus, GA USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted November 03, 2002 11:08 PM
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