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Yin
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posted August 10, 2004 11:17 AM
  
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lotusheartone
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posted March 29, 2007 11:29 AM
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Kamilla
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posted March 29, 2007 01:45 PM
That's such a beautiful story. Thank you, lotus, for bringing it back  IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
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posted March 29, 2007 02:17 PM
Hi Kamilla hehe, I can't take the credit, Trillian was looking for a string in Universal Codes, and I think this is the One she was looking for. ...
so, I bumped it! it is really wonderful! IP: Logged |
Azalaksh
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posted March 29, 2007 02:32 PM
"Wow," said [another] Little Soul, dancing and skipping and laughing and jumping with joy.....Thanks for bumping this wonderful vignette, lotus And thanks for the original post, Randall IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
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posted March 29, 2007 02:36 PM
okay, well, I guess, I can take some credit, hehe, I found it!lol You're Welcome!Zala and thanks, Randall Great Post! IP: Logged |
Moon666Child
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posted March 29, 2007 02:41 PM
Wonderful thought, very deep!------------------
Welcome to my blog The Rechargehouse! IP: Logged |
Mirandee
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posted March 29, 2007 03:17 PM
Always liked this one.  Thanks for the reminder, Lotus. It definitely is the most important thread on this site and probably always will be. IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
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posted March 29, 2007 03:31 PM
Mirandee we all promised to remember, the splendor of Us... . IP: Logged |
Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted March 29, 2007 03:58 PM
It's a beautiful and inspiring story,
and I'm sending it to a few friends.Still,
I think it distorts the truth,
maybe even more than it reveals it. It's funny to me that the little soul wasn't told
what horrible thing would be done to it,
in order to procure "the profound joy of forgiving", lol.
Tell me, if you were not ignorant of what pain is,
would you agree to be raped and beaten to death,
just so you could experience the relief of forgiving and letting it go?
Kind of like hitting your head against a wall,
just to experience the joy of stopping. 
Seems to me the little soul was not making an informed, conscious choice at all,
but was tricked by a very clever and nasty God. I am more inclined to accept the teachings
of the Gnostics and "A Course In Miracles": There is no good reason for darkness,
although it seems that way when things are bright. "Dream delivers us to dream, and there is no end to illusion. Life is a train of moods like a string of beads, and as we pass through them they prove to be many-colored lenses which paint the world their own hue, and each shows only what lies in their focus."
- Emerson There is no more truth or reality in light than in darkness.
Both are experienced, so both exist. If anything, darkness is many times more prevalent,
and so, more existent, more real. Transmuting darkness is no great adventure.
If it were a choice,
and not a necessity,
it would be a fool's errand. But it is a necessary evil.
And a near-endless chore. If you disagree, then,
you must welcome this post as the best response yet,
as it will provide you with plenty to transmute.   ,
hsc
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lotusheartone
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posted March 29, 2007 04:03 PM
Heart-Shaped Cross,One, cannot exist without the other...
Light and dark
good and bad
happiness and joy, and pain and sorrow... nothing exists, without it's opposite.... so, you could say, that the most perfect person..
would have a complete opposite... I guess, that is why, it so important
to be balanced. ...
acknowledging both our sides... we chose, this Earth Life Experience... and when you're in soul form, you cannot be tricked  IP: Logged |
Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted March 29, 2007 05:25 PM
lotus,You rarely answer questions,
but I will ask them anyway... If the alternative to polarity is nothingness,
then, in soul form, were we in nothingness? If so, we would not exist
(and would not be in a position to chose anything). If not, we would already be experiencing the polarity. So what point is there in descending? We always try to choose light over dark.
Why would we choose anything,
if we didn't think it were lighter,
and better than our present condition? Why would we choose light-and-dark,
unless the alternative were dark? It makes no sense.
It is a New Age dogma,
less destructive,
but no less irrational than the Old dogmas
it is intended to replace. Question everything.
HSC
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lotusheartone
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posted March 29, 2007 05:39 PM
That poses another question...how can you say the opposite of polarity,
is nothingness? all things have opposition...so what would be the alternative to polarity, no polarity, would mean, balance...
the opposing groups would all be equal.. .. it would be Pax et Bonum! IP: Logged |
Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted March 29, 2007 06:27 PM
"how can you say the opposite of polarity,
is nothingness?"I didn't. (I said "If...")
I thought this is what you were saying. "no polarity, would mean, balance..." When I think of balance,
I think of stalemate, stagnation.
Nothingness. Or, else,
a dyanamic state in which every new experience
contains the anticipation of the next. But why chose to leave such a state? Something would have to be lacking. The story Randall posted suggests that Light,
or, rather, the awareness of light (a clever sophism),
is what is lacking.
But the lack of light,
or the lack of the awareness of light
(which is only another way of saying the lack of light)
IS darkness. In a state of balance there would be no lack.
No lack of light.
No lack of awareness. Why move from that state? What was lacking? How can balance be a state of lacking? 
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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted March 29, 2007 06:29 PM
If everything contains its opposite,
when we sign our posts "Love and Light",
is it any different, really,
from saying "Hate and Darkness"?"He who knows does not speak.
He who speaks does not know."
- The Tao Te Ching "Peregrinatio ets Tacere."
(Silence is Pilgrimage.)
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lotusheartone
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posted March 29, 2007 06:30 PM
because, we get bored in that state, after so many 1000's of years...we choose, to start Over.... and experience Life.... balance means everyone gets along and all is good..both sides, have compromised... it's endless. ... IP: Logged |
BlueRoamer
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posted March 29, 2007 07:18 PM
I'm inclined to agree with HSC. I felt the very same thing when I first read this. I understand why the author sets the story up, people need to make sense of all the horrible things that happen to them in life. Also the author understands that forgiveness can be liberating, allowing the victim to move on from whatever incident that has harm them. The author is trying to teach us freedom, but the way he sets it up is a bit preposterous for the exact reasons that HSC has mentioned.Not to sound cynical, but would anyone subject themselves to beatings, rape, torture, just so they can forgive someone? That hardly seems a fair trade off. I think a much more likely explanation is that people are animals and can't really control most of their actions. People are primal and driven by emotions, emotions that have evolved to keep the species from dying off. Murder, rape, and war, all make sense from an evolutionary standpoint. The weak are eliminated, the strong survive. This is a harsh reality which I find that I cannot even accept most of the time. IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
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posted March 29, 2007 07:21 PM
all the bad stuff, and good stuff is karma, the universal laws we are goverened by, you get what you give, that is why, Forgiveness is key...it stops the cycle of karma. ... IP: Logged |
BlueRoamer
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posted March 29, 2007 07:26 PM
Are you so sure Lotus?What proof can you offer? IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
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posted March 29, 2007 07:31 PM
I don't think I can prove, it's from memory and experience...I just know it! It's what is shone to me, and so many affirmations. ...
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BlueRoamer
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posted March 29, 2007 07:45 PM
But I do not know it through memory and affirmations.I only have your memory and affirmations as evidence. By the same logic I could say that I am Jesus Christ, and you would have to believe me. IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
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posted March 29, 2007 07:51 PM
I have never said, to believe me, I have always said, you have to go within, and find out for yourSelf. ...The Only person you can trust, is yourSelf... . IP: Logged |
BlueRoamer
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posted March 29, 2007 08:12 PM
Lotus I've been meditating for 10 years.I have gone within. And so have many others. IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
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posted March 29, 2007 08:22 PM
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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted March 29, 2007 09:45 PM
If balance got boring,
me thinks it wasn't balance to begin with.Boredom IS darkness,
so, why not work with that? Why escape into more exciting darkness?
Does that sound like the act of a wise soul?
Or, maybe, more like a reckless teenager
climbing out her window to go get drunk and knocked-up? "Adventure, hmph.
Excitement, hmph.
A jedi craves not these things." - Master Yoda IP: Logged | |
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