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Topic: The Two Towers
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QueenofSheeba
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posted December 31, 2002 11:14 AM
 
do we have Tolkien fans here? I'm one, I saw TTT recently. I liked the first one better, and there were actually a lot of things which bugged me in the second one. But that's my hyper- criticalism at work. What does everyone else think?------------------
No longer mourn for me when I am dead
Than you shall hear the surly sullen bell
Give warning to the world that I am fled
From this vile world, with vilest worms to dwell.
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Carlo
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posted December 31, 2002 11:15 AM
It rocked. I was scared ****less by Saramon's hordes. I loved how Nature triumphed in the end, how perfect and fitting  IP: Logged |
proxieme
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posted December 31, 2002 11:34 AM
I've actually seen it 2x...(geek)...and I might see it a 3rd time b/c a friend of mine wants to go see it for his 2nd time and has asked me to come along.
I absolutely loved it, and now have crushes on no less than 3 fictional characters.
Parts, however, did pi*s me off -
like the fact that they made Faramir into a quasi-bad guy -
in the book (yeah, yeah, I'm one of those peeps..."In the book, in the book, blah, blah..." he captures them, feeds them, and is like, "Ha! I could take the ring if I wanted to!!! Nah, jus' kiddin' - I'm not like my bro...go on your way, you cute little hobbit-people, you. Here - here's some more food."
But, in the movie he drags them to hell and back and acts all menacing.
I mean, I understand changes to the story being necessary in the translation from page to screen, but dam people...this was silly. The story has enough dramatic tension, or whatever the he*l you'd like to call it, it don't nee' no moe.Oh, well. Fun mind game:
What do you think the sun/moon/risings (or whatever else you'd like to say) of the characters are?
Sam's sun is easypeasy jack'n pleasy:
Cancer. I mean, dude carries pots and pans around, fer chrissakes.
I'm betting Aragorn's got Scorp in there somewhere, but I'm not good enough to say where.
Saaaaay...do ya'll think there're any Piscean peeps flipping around in the story? And, this is entirely unrelated, but isn't this a cool little animation?:
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N_wEvil
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posted December 31, 2002 11:40 AM
I think Frodo would have to be a piscean, really. He's got that kind of gentle edge to him in both the book and the film - although he only seems capable of that slightly worried expression!Heres a riddle:
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Carlo
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posted December 31, 2002 12:45 PM
yeah, Frodo is a Pisces I think so too IP: Logged |
QueenofSheeba
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posted January 01, 2003 08:12 PM
Definately Pisces!Well, I saw it again today, it was much better the second time. The first time I had a lot of minor quibbels with changes they made but this time I thought it was wonderfully fantastically exciting! But one question: why did the Elves have to send an army to Helm's Deep? It was very cool in the end, but still... Gollum, I think, is a Gemini. That one scene where it seemed like there were two Gollums having an argument- but there was just one, arguing with himself- gave it away. Aragorn: I would guess Sag, personally, with a dash of Virgo. Faramir could be a Cappy. Sorry to all bulls present, but I would call Sauron a  because of his need to possess and control. A very afflicted Taurus, of course, probably with moon or ascendant in Aries. Saruman I would call an Aquarius. Gandalf... I dunno... ? What's Grima Wormtongue? The traditional thing to do would be to call him a Scorpio just because he's evil, but that isn't fair to the Scorps. I say Cancer. Any Librans in the plot? Howbout Legolas? BTW, proxieme, I'm a check-the-book "geek" too. 
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Wave
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posted January 02, 2003 08:18 AM
Yes, Legolas could be a Libra, he looks charming, smart, kind, and well-balanced. I've always felt attracted to him, as for Libra men in the real life. He never wants to be the star. And it feels also he keeps quite distant from feelings and emotions. He doesn't look as an agressive warrior, he fights because his friends have asked him to do so and it's necessary for reaching Peace.
I would say also lovely Frodo's a Pisces. You would like to squeeze him as a Teddy Bear, and even though he seems to be quite brave for a Pisces, it's circumstances who have obligated him to make that terrible trip, so he's to draw the soul strenght that every Piscean has deep inside.
And I think as well Sauron's a bull...
Gollum's Gemini, ok.
Aragorn could be a Sag, but an Aries too. Aries men are romantic and brave aren't they?
What would you say about Arwen? I've thought about her as a Fish too, we Pisces girls would do anything for love, and we let the man being the protagonist. She has that delicate Neptune's beauty. But...I 'm not sure.
Gandalf....oh my this one is really hard to guess. Aquarius seems ok.
And Gimli? I would call him Cancer. I've met a lot of Cancer men with that crazy bad-good-bad-good mood, it's funny.
For Grima I wouldn't say Scrop, because Scorps want the control for their own, they don't obey anyone. I'd rather say a bad-aspected Cancer.More suggestions? IP: Logged |
QueenofSheeba
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posted January 02, 2003 09:57 AM
I would call Gandalf an evolved and well-balanced Aries. ------------------
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proxieme
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posted January 02, 2003 11:41 AM
Maybe Arwen's a Pisces w/ a Scorp Moon? (She will, after all, give up immortality and being an elf princess for love...)I'd have to guess that Saruman has some Libra going on there...you don't see it so much in the movie, but in the book it talks about how he has this sweet, smooth, intoxicating voice that people almost automatically heed and believe when they hear it. Grima - yeah, prolly a horribly aspected Cancer...see, after all, how he circles around just what he wants (what he wants being that blond horse princess chick...her name escapes me @ the moment). Kewl - so, Frodo's a Pisces...  IP: Logged |
Carlo
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posted January 02, 2003 01:31 PM
The blonde horse princess chick is a Libra, and Legalos is a Gemini, I think...IP: Logged |
N_wEvil
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posted January 02, 2003 02:36 PM
oh great..make us poor aquarians out to be evil  bleeeh. Although Saruman does have aquarian traits..i suppose i'll admit....conditionally.....meh IP: Logged |
proxieme
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posted January 02, 2003 03:13 PM
Any Virgos?He doesn't make much of a showing in the books (he's more prominent in the movies b/c of plot changes), but what do you think, ah, dam, what's-his-name, what do you think that elf is who lead the contingent that came as aid to Helm's deep is? How about Elrond and Galadriel?
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QueenofSheeba
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posted January 02, 2003 03:28 PM
That's Haldir. I would call him a snobby Libra (not to make Libra too important or anything ) because of his air of awkward superiority, and his face. But he could be any other air sign just as easily...  ?What is Theoden, the king of the Rohirrim? I don't know the actor's name but I think he did a great job. And what about the Uruk-Hai in general? Virgos... Treebeard? ------------------
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proxieme
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posted January 02, 2003 03:39 PM
The Uruk-Hai must be ruled by Leo - they are, after all, convinced that they are better than the rest of the Orcs...N_w - Just which traits would you conditionally admit to? I could make a wild stab in the dark and say that Theoden is a classic Leo king, reduced to silence and impotence my Grima, and then given back his roar by Gandalf - and, even after Gandalf saves his life and his kingdom, he keeps his own council (rather than the wizard's...and everyone else's...when deciding about going to Helm's Deep). IP: Logged |
N_wEvil
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posted January 02, 2003 04:15 PM
Well, more precisely an Aquarian with some Gemini.His old name as said in the silmarillion is "Curinir" - he who is wise with words. Also his obsession with the ring grew out of his own research - and only a slightly mad aquarius could get that far into a subject. However, since Gandalf and Saruman and sauron are actually all second-level gods of the same rank (Maiar) can they be said to be anything? IP: Logged |
proxieme
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posted January 02, 2003 05:19 PM
Eh, they're all fictional characters, so we're really just talking about the energies they embody/exhibit to us...
but I see your question; but, we talk about Greek gods/goddesses as embodying certain energies, so why not these?IP: Logged |
N_wEvil
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posted January 02, 2003 05:29 PM
Gandalf in tolkeins literature was one of healing i think (maiar of Lorien, Olorin)Sauron was one of Aules' helpers (machines, craftsmen) Dont know about Saruman. IP: Logged |
Jaqueline
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posted January 02, 2003 07:59 PM
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Jaqueline
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posted January 02, 2003 08:01 PM
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QueenofSheeba
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posted January 03, 2003 10:29 AM
Oooh, good one!
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Carlo
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posted January 03, 2003 10:50 AM
Dubya and his Precious lolIP: Logged |
Jaqueline
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posted January 03, 2003 02:49 PM
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Carlo
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posted January 03, 2003 03:43 PM
We wants it! It's my Precious! Not that little Hobbit Daschle!IP: Logged |
Vampire Angel
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posted January 03, 2003 11:50 PM
Hehe...but guys, Frodo's birthday is September 22, remember? That doesn't make him a Pisces...it makes him a...uh...Virgo, I think? He must have Pisces rising instead. IP: Logged |
Carlo
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posted January 04, 2003 03:05 AM
where does it say that was his b-day Vampi? in the book?IP: Logged | |
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