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Topic: Circumcised
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GeminiAries
Knowflake Posts: 158
From: Florida
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted September 18, 2003 01:32 AM
 
Circumcise \Cir"*** *cise\, v; To cut off the prepuce of foreskin of, in the case of males, and the internal labia of, in the case of females.
*To purify spiritually?My Scorpio (crush) is NOT Circumcised.I found to be ok!
Does that make a difference to you Gals and Gents? IP: Logged |
pixelpixie
Knowflake Posts: 5301
From: Ontario Canada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted September 18, 2003 02:09 AM
a c*ck, is a c*ck, is a c*ck. Different shapes, different sizes, different men. A little flap of skin doesn't hurt anyone. In fact, if mother nature decided it belonged there, who am I to want it gone? (Hair is different, it is essentially dead, but skin is ALIVE!) And I will mention, with many nerve endings-ouch!IP: Logged |
pixelpixie
Knowflake Posts: 5301
From: Ontario Canada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted September 18, 2003 02:10 AM
and by the way, my dear, has anyone told you, you are one horny chick? I think you may talk about sex more than I do!  IP: Logged |
GeminiAries
Knowflake Posts: 158
From: Florida
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted September 18, 2003 02:58 AM
7 months and 18 days and counting since my last love making...... I need it bad.IP: Logged |
Sunmeadow Glades
Knowflake Posts: 266
From: Brisbane, QLD, Australia
Registered: Jan 2003
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posted September 18, 2003 06:30 AM
Another angle of the circumsion debate - my husband and I decided to not get our baby boy circumised. Our personal view was there was no significant reason for us to proceed. We are not Jewish etc, so we had no valid religious reason to go ahead with it. We did discuss it at length because my husband is circumised and felt that perhaps our little boy would feel different from his Dad when he was older. But, in the end he decided to leave it. I am glad we did, but it is a personal choice for every parent to make.Love and Peace,
Sunmeadow Glades.  IP: Logged |
lllog
Knowflake Posts: 1142
From: Springfield MO
Registered: Jun 2002
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posted September 18, 2003 08:21 AM
Something that parents might consider is that if the child desides to get the operation later in life, and I know some who have, its not a lot of fun for them. Personally I don't think that parents are doing their child any favor by such action. It seems to me that they are playing out their own agenda, not thinking about the child. There are health reasons for such a process. Lanny IP: Logged |
Lost Leo
Knowflake Posts: 1877
From: CA
Registered: Sep 2002
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posted September 18, 2003 12:18 PM
I heard the US is like the only place in the world where more people are circumcized than not...Being circumcized means you'll be more sensitive, have a tad more sensation, and tend to go off a bit quicker than normal... IP: Logged |
WychOfAvalon
Knowflake Posts: 633
From: Los Angeles
Registered: Feb 2003
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posted September 18, 2003 12:41 PM
It doesn't make a difference to me  I like it all.I DIDN'T want to circumsize my son but my husband insisted. He wouldn't even listen to any opinion I had on the subject in a rational and calm manner.
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trillian
Knowflake Posts: 4050
From: The Boundless
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted September 18, 2003 01:12 PM
Makes no difference to me either, though I think health concerns are a bit antiquated. Those arose out of a lack of cleanliness.After all, that skin was meant to be there.
An alien might look at what we do to the penis and cry out "Horrors! Male mutilation!" IP: Logged |
Lost Leo
Knowflake Posts: 1877
From: CA
Registered: Sep 2002
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posted September 18, 2003 01:54 PM
You're right trillian, the health concerns are antiquated...Unless you don't shower once a day... IP: Logged |
pixelpixie
Knowflake Posts: 5301
From: Ontario Canada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted September 18, 2003 02:02 PM
I agree with Trillian. I have a son, who I didn't circumcise. I agree that apart from 'fitting in' there is no reason to alter what was created in utero. Besides, more and more people are choosing to leave their babies uncut, so someday maybe that will be the norm. As far as it "hurting later in life" to be circumcised, it is like any elective procedure, like a boob job....of course it hurts!! But it is their choice, and if it hurts later in life, don't you think it would hurt a newborn, freshly discovering the world, seeing colours, smelling scents, focusing on blurry faces, and then, within a few days of learning the whats of the world, they get a part of them selves cut off....*a very sensitive part*. Even if they can't remember, maybe it touches and rests somewhere deeply inside the subconscious....In fact, it is rare that a man trusts doctors, they will wait until that pain in their foot becomes a tumorous growth before seeing someone about it....LOL
Just an observation. The cleanliness argument is an old one.....I am clean, and I have more folds on my vagina than a man has in his foreskin, right?
The sensitivity issue....It has been proven that men who are uncut have more sensation than circumcised counterparts. Simply from years of the head rubbing against clothing and the friction, it makes sense.
I don't want to willfully take potential pleasure away from my son....not that I even want to think about that right now! LOL! Anyways, it's a passionate, debateable issue.IP: Logged |
Lunargirl
Knowflake Posts: 1513
From:
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted September 18, 2003 04:28 PM
If you look sometimes, you can see circumcision scars.That had to hurt as much, even back then. How do we know that the pain is perceived any differently by a baby? I find this a difficult topic to settle on. IP: Logged |
lllog
Knowflake Posts: 1142
From: Springfield MO
Registered: Jun 2002
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posted September 18, 2003 04:39 PM
It strikes me that I'm the only male that posted anything about the subject. I wonder if woman understand the subject any better than we men understand toatlly women concerns. I suspect that its not just a physical matter.As far as cleanlyness, don't kid yourself, when i was in the Navy, O saw alot of problems with that, and it wasn't because they didn't wash. OK. I'll shut up now ladies. A man's 2 cents IP: Logged |
pixelpixie
Knowflake Posts: 5301
From: Ontario Canada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted September 18, 2003 08:11 PM
Did you actually SEE them wash???????
LOL, How do you know for sure that they weren't just some disgusting animal who didn't care whether their manhood was fresh or falling off?
Did you remind them to "pull their skin back to wash"?
Were they stupid and got venereal diseases?
I guess I don't get how thoroughly you can examine a penis. Of course, if you are gay, I'll shut up now, as I don't want to get offensive.
My point is that, I am not kidding myself, My son isn't circumcised....and I chose not to after reading several books on the matter
(making it an educated choice.)
I'm sorry if other's penises have traumatised you. But come on, it's a flap of skin covering the head of a penis!!!! To protect it!!!! IP: Logged |
lllog
Knowflake Posts: 1142
From: Springfield MO
Registered: Jun 2002
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posted September 18, 2003 09:22 PM
I'm neither tramatized or gay, I'm just telling you what goes on in the military during a medical inspection of the ranks. Wonder why all of you other guys are so non-verbal about this subject. Lanny IP: Logged |
bauschd
Knowflake Posts: 232
From: Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted September 18, 2003 09:22 PM
I've been trying to post, but something's preventing it...I totally agree with Pixel and Lunarwoman... I believe it is God's design so why hamper with it? I remember my Cappie Nurse Mum demonstrate to me when I was a kid how to look after it, and it's been fine ever since. Occasionally I don't clean it properly, and therefore am reminded that I have responsibilities. It's like tonsils - they used to cut them out at will before realizing they have a purpose. My dad was cut though, so it wasn't for customary reasons. I think they didn't get around to it (fortunately). I also agree that something could remain subconcious from the unconsenting (from the child) surgery. Does any one know if they use pain killers throughout the operation? Dean/o. IP: Logged |
bauschd
Knowflake Posts: 232
From: Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted September 18, 2003 09:40 PM
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bauschd
Knowflake Posts: 232
From: Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted September 18, 2003 10:27 PM
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Lunargirl
Knowflake Posts: 1513
From:
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted September 18, 2003 10:30 PM
Lost Leo also posted earlier, Lanny. But I always value your two cents. I really don't feel comfortable expressing an opinion on this topic, for just that reason -- I'm not male and I don't really know how it works on a practical basis for a guy. People seem to be arguing on the merits of three points -- aesthetic acceptance, religious tradition, and practicality. If I had a son I don't know what we'd choose. Anyway, I'm repeating myself... out of this thread I scoot! IP: Logged |
WychOfAvalon
Knowflake Posts: 633
From: Los Angeles
Registered: Feb 2003
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posted September 18, 2003 10:41 PM
I guess if women cut off all their extra skin.. it'd be easier to clean, too!IP: Logged |
pixelpixie
Knowflake Posts: 5301
From: Ontario Canada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted September 18, 2003 10:43 PM
Bauschd~ (interesting name- didn't think I'd type it right!)
What I read years ago, was that no, they do not use any pain relievers. I know also in the Jewish faith it is traditional for the child to suck on a wine soaked cloth during the procedure, for 'comfort'.
However, in recent years, we have a topical anesthetic patch called "EMLA". I know it has been used to alleviate discomfort for children getting I.V.'s. I would hope that it could be used also for this, but I don't know if it would interfere with blood clotting or some such. I would be interested in hearing from a nurse, actually, if anyone has seen /done any. (Circumcision, not nurses!!!!LOL)
Just on a side note, I love the magazine "Maxim" and they had a feature a long time ago, about circumcision. They had all these sadistic looking medical instruments (don't they all look like something out of a psychological horror movie?)The article, I hope turned a lot of heads around (PURPOSEFUL PUN!) regarding this societal masquerading as healthful procedure. IP: Logged |
pixelpixie
Knowflake Posts: 5301
From: Ontario Canada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted September 18, 2003 10:48 PM
Wych-y woman!
Good point! I wouldn't have bad hair days, if I shaved my head bald, either.
By the way, I understand that I don't actually own a penis....but I love them ever so much and empathise with any pain they may go through. But logically, I don't have to own one, to know that if you take off a part of it, it would f&*%#ing HURT!IP: Logged |
WychOfAvalon
Knowflake Posts: 633
From: Los Angeles
Registered: Feb 2003
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posted September 19, 2003 10:12 PM
well I feel so far my biggest failing as a mother was sitting by and letting Hunter get circumsized. It really kills me. If he grows up and is mad at me over it I'll just die. But Vincent seriously wouldn't hear anything I had to say about it. Even if I tried to bring it up logically just to discuss pros and cons... he'd end up yelling. I just think... we don't cut off parts of our bodies because there MAY be potential infections or problems. Otherwise we could just cut off our breasts to prevent breast cancer... and YES shave our heads to prevent bad hair days!! Have our toenails removed to avoid nail fungus... Strangely enough... when I was at work today I told two co-workers I was going to shave my head because I can't deal with bad hair days anymore!! So when I read your post just now I LOL'd
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pixelpixie
Knowflake Posts: 5301
From: Ontario Canada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted September 20, 2003 12:55 AM
Okay, Now I am going to recant, because I doubt your son would hate you for allowing his father to do something he thought was socially acceptable, and for the good of your son's health and identity. Nothing wrong was done, in the conventional sense of the word. He was following his duty as a man in a society that condones circumcision.
And you understood that it was a powerful subject for him, so you relented. We have all made decisions we weren't proud of, but have reasons that make sense when related to the time we made them. Your son will love you, warts and all, because you are his mom and caretaker, and nursemaid, and playground co-ordinator, and kisser of
boo-boo's, and homework moderator, and dinner maker and life explainer. Etc.....
I hope you don't carry around excessive guilt, and I hope MY opinions on this matter didn't make it worse. Because the hardest job in the world is to be an all-knowing, omnipotent mother in the eyes of your children. But that is what we become to our children, even if we don't feel responsible enough to carry that title. I certainly don't! (not that it will matter when they are teenagers!LOL!)
You are a wonderful person, I know this.... and your child will always love you and never resent you for that.
And by the way, what a great point to make....the possibility of a potential sickness meaning you'd have to amputate everything! So insightful!IP: Logged |
WychOfAvalon
Knowflake Posts: 633
From: Los Angeles
Registered: Feb 2003
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posted September 20, 2003 01:00 AM
nonononooo
Your opinions didn't make me feel bad at all. I agree with you completely. I just hope if I ever have another child it's a GIRL so I dont have to worry about that decision at least!! I am happy that more and more parents these days are choosing not to circumsize, though! IP: Logged |
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