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From: The second star to the right (which shines in the night for'eer)
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posted October 01, 2003 08:19 PM         

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What do you do when you know what the right thing to think or say is but it is not what you do think and want to say. Yes, you should always do what is right but should you deny yourself, who you are and what you think and feel, in essence ignoring yourself, for the right things. What then becomes of the person?

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posted October 01, 2003 09:29 PM         

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Is there a mirror here? Are you holding it up for me to see myself? Because I struggle with that one constantly, and I don't know the answer any more than you do. It is the greatest fault of intelligence versus emotion. Be true to you. Sometimes, the truth hurts. Sometimes, it can be said prettily, sometimes it can't.. Just make sure, before you say something you can't take back, that it is truly what you want, and that you are able to live with the consequences, good or bad. That, of course, is best case scenario, but in the crux of the moment, I usually say it anyway. Sometimes with regret. But there are always those two litle words......F*@#k off....no, kidding...." I'm sorry." To be said with sincerity, that often make it all better. Not always, but usually. If it is strong enough within you, it will come out in one form or another, whether you want it to or not. So best to do it in a controlled way. A Well- rehearsed controlled way. Good Luck!!

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posted October 02, 2003 08:54 AM         

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posted October 02, 2003 08:54 PM         

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Yeah pixel-except that I hate to say something that I mean and then say that I was just kidding because I think that it cheating, if they p***** me off they have to know to the full extent(that is not what I am thinking at the time, that is my analyzation of my reactions in hindsight). But I suppose controlled is best, I can be very intense though so control is sometimes a relative term apparantly, I think that I am controlling myself and somebody is like man that is so mean or something, anyway.

But juniperb, what if those things aren't your first instinct and no matter how you think about you just want to do what you want to do. I know that you can't always do what you want to do, but where is the middle ground between the the thing that is "right" and squelching your very self. Well, perhaps you should work toward the "thing" and you will morph or go to be the person that instinctually does the...etc.

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posted October 03, 2003 08:42 AM         

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Silverbells, gah that`s part of the human condition isn`t it. If you`re questioning it, I believe the meaning is your spirit is moving into higher directions (my opinion!).

As an youthful idealistic Aqua, I wanted to move and change the world. (I was part of the later hippy movement, but shhhh, don`t tell anyone . I hurt many wonderful people by spouting my truths with total disregard for their feelings.

For me, to reach the middle ground you speak of, I had to decide what my ideal was. I reached the conclusion "for the good of all" was my intent.

So, I do my rant in writing it down, no holds barred I Put it aside on my purple plate and let it mellow. Then I go back, see what is in it for the 'good of all' . I use that as a basis for my presentation of my onion/feelings. I admit, sometimes it takes a few rants to get it mellowed to a less ego/ higher spiritual acceptance .

That said, I then feel I`ve reached the middle ground, vented as well as sorted thru it to reach my higher intent w/ raging ego aside.
Wow, orry for the long post, but thats how I arrive at issues of being true to s-Elf and the good of all.

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posted October 03, 2003 06:54 PM         

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The good of all. I sometimes worry that not acting on intense feelings can foster a disease because then you might end up burying it rather than paying attention to it but it's still there. That confuses me, but it is good to write it down, I have no purple plate but i could still write it down. That was suggested to me before but I forgot all about that, you know it seems to be a departure from the visceral, which is shunned by many. [b] The visceral, what about the visceral![b/] Do you think that it is more important than it is treated?
Oh! And Thank You for that suggestion juniperb.

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posted October 03, 2003 07:13 PM         

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May I suggest the book "Illusions" by Richard Bach? Same man who authored "Jonathon Livingston Seagull."

"Illusions" is a mighty powerful book, you'll read it in an hour, and it will leave you filled with love and wonder. Chances are you can pick up a copy in a used book store for a song, or try half.com, or www.abebooks.com

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posted October 03, 2003 07:47 PM         

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I sometimes forget that people don't really know me here. I am very sarcastic.When I said

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But there are always those two litle words......F*@#k off....no, kidding...." I'm sorry." To be said with sincerity, that often make it all better.

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I was joking! I wouldn't say F*&%k off and not mean it! But I would say I'm sorry when I mean it. If things went too far out of control, which is very easy when you feel things deeply. But I am very much NOT a surface person. I just tend to be the one who Jokes to put people at ease. Didn't mean to say that I was flippant about expressing myself. I say what I mean, and don't take it back, I figure let it land where it may, and if the other person takes it wrong, that is their issue. ( I am talking about face to face here...the rules are skewed here!) So, to clarify, when I said - "there are always those two little words, I was talking about I'm sorry. THOSE two little words. I threw in the swearing because I thought it was unexpected and funny. Two little words-F%*@k off. Not funny? Oh....can't have it all, but you can try. Believe me, I live authentically

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posted October 05, 2003 12:10 AM         

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Thanks trillian I am still looking for that Michaelangelo book in paperback too.

Oh pixel- I didn't know that you were joking but I wasn't offended or put out either. Actually, I figured that you were probably have serious and half joking .

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posted October 05, 2003 03:54 AM         

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Ditto, Trillian

Illusions is a great book!

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