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Topic: Alcohol Survey
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PlayfulPonderingFishMoon Knowflake Posts: 267 From: Registered: Sep 2003
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posted November 10, 2003 05:16 PM
Hi everyone,I'm just curious about why alcohol is so prevalent in our societies. I live in the US myself, but I believe that it is pretty prevalent in a whole bunch of cultures around the world, lol. I know that there are a variety of reasons why different people drink, so if you don't mind, I'd really, really appreciate it if you could please share just what your own most common personal reasons actually are for the practice of drinking alcohol if/when you do it. Thanks to you for any responses to this question that I get!
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proxieme unregistered
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posted November 10, 2003 05:39 PM
I don't really drink. I genuinely dislike the taste of alchohol in general (even cooked into foods) - it makes me gag; and alchoholism runs on both sides of my family, so my aversion works.IP: Logged |
StarLover33 Knowflake Posts: 3061 From: King Arthur's Camelot Registered: Jun 2002
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posted November 10, 2003 05:42 PM
Number one reason will always be that everyone else does it.It's sad when people can't find other ways to feel good and comfortable around people. They have to resort to drinking because they are so insecure about themselves. God created millions of ways to feel good, drinking and drugging aren't any of those ways. And beer tastes horrible! Proxieme you and I are similar. That's because we are Pisces. -StarLover IP: Logged |
StarLover33 Knowflake Posts: 3061 From: King Arthur's Camelot Registered: Jun 2002
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posted November 10, 2003 06:02 PM
This reminds me...On the sitcom FRIENDS there was this one episode that I really hated. It was about Monica's boyfriend who was nicknamed Drunk Bobby or something similar to that. Well the joke was that he always drank alcohol and was really funny and everybody loved him not realizing that he was only drunk. So Monica took him off alcohol, and the problem was when he was sober, he was no longer cool or funny. He became this big boring figure and they made fun of him for it, and Monica eventually dumped him. You see it's those kind of stupid ass shows that send people bad messages. So it's just one pound of a reason to drink and party. Oh yeah and I hate parties with groups of people drinking. There are much better ways to meet people. Anyway it's always going to be a society problem and there is nothing we can do about it. Drugs are the number one crime producer in America. Like eating meat alcohol is a lost cause you will never stop people from doing it. I wish people would learn to think for themselves so that we wouldn't have to keep failing and paying a huge price for all the destruction on the earth. But it's too late the wheels are in motion. I still love people though, I can't be any different. -StarLover33
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posted November 10, 2003 06:43 PM
And we Fish rock, StarLover...we just can't help it.
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lioneye68 Knowflake Posts: 6062 From: Canada Registered: Apr 2003
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posted November 10, 2003 07:02 PM
Well, lots of people drink "socially", but are not alcoholics, or substance abusers. You do many things "socially", like dance, or have tupperware parties, or have fondu parties. It's part of the atmosphere in many party situations. It's when the social aspect is no longer the motivater that you have a problem. I think the reason it's so prevelant is because so many people are spiritually thirsty. Alcohol turns off the recepters, so that whatever is eating away at someone stops bugging them temporarily. We do all sorts of things to try to fill the spirtual void we sense inside. Substance abuse is but one option among thousands. Signed.. Arm chair sociologist, Lioneye68 IP: Logged |
trillian Knowflake Posts: 4050 From: The Boundless Registered: Mar 2003
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posted November 10, 2003 07:30 PM
As far back as researched time goes, is as far back as you will find alcohol. Ancient Egyptian burial grounds have contained beer recipes.Why do we drink? Because sometimes we like to get out of our own skin, or maybe just move it around a little bit. Some people do it through meditation, some through drugs, some through alcohol. Don't forget, there are lots of legal mind-altering agents in our lives, not the least of which is caffeine. I love the taste of fine wine, a good merlot or cabernet, lately been loving Shiraz...love a good wine buzz, too. Give me a dry martini with tons of olives...or a yummy margarita with lots of salt...mmmMMMmmmm. Using a substance is not the same as substance abuse. And lest we forget, for the Christians among us, wine is featured in one of the most holy of Christian rituals. And StarLover, I respect your opinions, but if God created *everything,* well, that means everything! Including the recipes for drink... IP: Logged |
StarLover33 Knowflake Posts: 3061 From: King Arthur's Camelot Registered: Jun 2002
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posted November 10, 2003 08:30 PM
The real Gospels suggest that Jesus never drank or ate meat. Yes, I know I'm speaking the truth, Jesus never drank wine or ate any meat including fish. This is why Linda Goodman was so determined to be a vegetarian and never drink alcohol, except for a little bit of wine but not enough to make you drunk. She also wanted to share this with others.And so when those same Gospels went into the hands of the Roman Emperor Constantine, who was a lover of fine wine and red meat, he decided that he wanted to remove those lines which were constantly written over and over again. I mean they were so constantly written that if they remained today, nobody would ever think of eating meat or touching beer, I swear. All those lines had been removed once and for all, except for a few Gospels which are now in the hands of the Vatican. The Bible as we know it, isn't the whole Bible. And let me remind you, that the Bible is a history book, which was intended to record mankind's history and future. More than half of that history was burned down in an Egyptian library centuries upon centuries ago because of war. There are many Gospels as well as documents that will never be seen by society. I guess we are just not ready for the truth. Or perhaps something is covering it up, because we have no idea what the truth is. P.S. When Jesus spoke of the Father he also spoke of the Mother but those lines were removed as well. -StarLover IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 25287 From: Columbus, GA USA Registered: Nov 2000
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posted November 10, 2003 09:40 PM
I don't drink at all (not that there's anything wrong with that). I like to keep my senses trenched in reality. ------------------ "Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 25287 From: Columbus, GA USA Registered: Nov 2000
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posted November 10, 2003 09:43 PM
Not sure how true it is, but my herstory professor in college said that "wine" in Biblical times was actually nonfermented (regular) grape juice. ------------------ "Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
trillian Knowflake Posts: 4050 From: The Boundless Registered: Mar 2003
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posted November 10, 2003 09:45 PM
Oh, I'm not a Christian! I just wanted to put another log on the fire. We all like to say that God/dess created everything, that everything exists for a reason. So that's either true, or it's not, and I think it's true. Judge not, lest ye be judged, n'est pas? Oh if I spelled the French incorrectly, apologies! IP: Logged |
Aphrodite Knowflake Posts: 4992 From: Registered: Feb 2002
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posted November 10, 2003 10:50 PM
Yo . . .I drink alcohol both when alone and with others. When it comes to wines, I only drink red. Alone: I like to try new bottles at home. See what they're like. Helps me relax while cooking, listening to music, and reading & writing. I used to do it a lot while talking on the phone too. Others: Tastes good with dinner at a restaurant, cleans the palate or enhances the dish. Alcoholic drinks make good conversation topics. Don't know why that is, but people always know something about them. At bars, there are more varieties to experiment with. I love experimenting. I love alcohol's taste and potency the most. They give me the Zzzs and make me laugh. IP: Logged |
StarLover33 Knowflake Posts: 3061 From: King Arthur's Camelot Registered: Jun 2002
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posted November 10, 2003 11:21 PM
I agree Randall, I'd rather keep my senses down to earth, than up in the air like my mind already is. P.S. I have to agree with your History professor it just sounds right to me! My dad used to make wine, and when you don't leave it out to ferment it becomes just like grape juice, but I think it's awfully sweet for my taste buds. Although it does have a tangy twist to it. I do have a vineyard in my back yard. -StarLover IP: Logged |
StarLover33 Knowflake Posts: 3061 From: King Arthur's Camelot Registered: Jun 2002
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posted November 10, 2003 11:21 PM
I agree Randall, I'd rather keep my senses down to earth, than up in the air like my mind already is. P.S. I have to agree with your History professor it just sounds right to me! My dad used to make wine, and when you don't leave it out to ferment it becomes grape juice, but I think it's awfully sweet for my taste buds. Although it does have a tangy twist to it. I do have a vineyard in my backyard. -StarLover IP: Logged |
theFajita3 Knowflake Posts: 1457 From: Sunny South Florida, USA Registered: Feb 2003
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posted November 11, 2003 12:27 AM
It's use as a social lubricant is pretty strong. I mean, if your going on a date with someone and so nervous your hands are shaking, a few glasses of wine helps with that. It's like a quick fix. Another thing that is awkward is that it's a real fine line between people who downright have an alcoholism problem and people who just like to drink once in a while. It's the most lethal drug and it's perfectly legal.Did you know that alcohol commercials are specifically made to play on alcoholics love of alcohol? That's who they want, is the alcoholic, they want people to go back to drinking, because they are the best darn customers. They could care less about the person who drinks occasionally. They want their diehard customers back. I've heard people in AA talk about how difficult some of those commercials are, with the sound of the beer opening, and everyone standing around drinking having a grand time. Alcohol is prevalent because it's acceptable to the upper class and lower class alike. It can be for the connieseur (sp!) of wine or the person who scrounges up change for a quart after work. I do have to say it brings a nice calm feeling. I've also said a whole lot that I regret while under the influence of drinking. My biological father is a pisces and a hardcore alcoholic. I'm talking Mexican guy drinking mezcal straight up. Some pisces just can't handle their alcohol...my best friend (used to be) gets like that. ------------------ Namaste! IP: Logged |
Nackie Knowflake Posts: 561 From: Germany Registered: Aug 2003
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posted November 11, 2003 04:30 AM
And some of us drink because it TASTES good...I love a good rum and coke and I drink lots of wine (2 bottles a week). I drink a glass or two not to unwind, but because I love the taste (usually! there's been some that I take a sip out of and them dump the bottle). Also the science of it, the culture behind it is fascinating. Alcohol is only a problem when you let it become a problem.Nackie (whose husband happens to be marketing manager for Pernod Ricard Deutschland and who lives from alcohol sales) IP: Logged |
trillian Knowflake Posts: 4050 From: The Boundless Registered: Mar 2003
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posted November 11, 2003 08:53 AM
Marketing manager for Pernod! How cool! You know, absinthe is illegal in the States, as it is in most countries, but I've always wanted to try it, even though I'm not much of a fan of anise. I have some websites where it can be ordered, I've heard that a bottle or two can easily be shipped here. It's not the expense that puts me off, but...well...just makes me a leeetle nervous! IP: Logged |
Nackie Knowflake Posts: 561 From: Germany Registered: Aug 2003
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posted November 11, 2003 09:03 AM
Well, Pernod and Ricard are not absinthes, but anisés, as is Pastisse. Absinthe is a god awful green colour It is legal again in Europe, but not in the amounts it was in the 20's. Pernod Ricard, though, is the 3rd largest spirits company in the world and they distribute a lot more than just the anisés. They recently (with Diageo) bought out Seagrams, and the Jacobs Creek wines (Australian) belong to the portfolio as well. Wild Turkey, Four Roses, Aberlour, Chivas Regal are all just a few of their Whiskeys. That's what I meant though, alcohol is a fascinating business, even just the culture behind it, its origins and the part it plays in society...it's not just a substance that gets abused or used to make you feel calmer or relaxed or "zonked out". For me it has to do with a certain way of living, kind of a special enjoyment that I sometimes look forward to...I guess that's my taurus moon...lolNackie IP: Logged |
Nackie Knowflake Posts: 561 From: Germany Registered: Aug 2003
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posted November 11, 2003 09:04 AM
Oh! btw, you have to drink bottles! of absinthe to get poisoned from it. But in that case, if the absinthe doesn't kill you, the alcohol will! Nackie IP: Logged |
Aphrodite Knowflake Posts: 4992 From: Registered: Feb 2002
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posted November 11, 2003 09:21 AM
Well my Fajita friend, it appears we gave the least sophisticated answers So much for being open about things without getting chastised as cheap.IP: Logged |
Nackie Knowflake Posts: 561 From: Germany Registered: Aug 2003
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posted November 11, 2003 09:41 AM
Do you mean me, Aphrodite? I wasn't speaking about you at all! I just hate when people say, oh alcohol, only for alcoholics, should be banned, etc. I liked your response, so I hope you weren't thinking I chastised you!Love to you, Nackie IP: Logged |
Aphrodite Knowflake Posts: 4992 From: Registered: Feb 2002
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posted November 11, 2003 10:22 AM
Nah, just feeling sorry for myself. LOL. This is fun to read seeing how much effort is put into making decisions about a beverage that spans thousands of years. The fact that there are biblical, cultural, dis-ease crossing class, and the benal makes it as complicated as people. LOL. Hmm . . . IP: Logged |
pidaua Knowflake Posts: 7314 From: Schweinfurt to Grafenwoehr all within 6 months LOL Registered: May 2002
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posted November 11, 2003 11:11 AM
LOL...Jesus never ate meat or drank? That's funny and I never got that from the scripture. In fact the Bible not only agrees with eating meat it promotes it. In the old Testament there are guidelines about what to eat and what not to eat (Basically that was very sound advice as the bacterial content of certain shellfish and from pig meat was through the roof). In the Gospels Jesus repeals the law and states we can now eat what was once forbidden. In the wedding feast Christ turns the water into wine and blesses the ANIMALS used for slaughter for food, that would include Lamb and Beef. Luke, the physician, talked about the drinking of wine to alleviate certain ailments and promoted it. Now back to alcohol: I come from a long line of Germans (on my momma's side) that enjoys good tasting beer. I like the way it tastes so that is why I drink it. My favorite is Hefeweizen and there is nothing better than a Bratwurst loaded with spicy mustard, sourkraut and a Hefeweizen to wash it down. I will drink wine now and again, I find it relaxing, especially while taking a nice hot bath. I believe in the "Eerything in Moderation" rule and although I have been on the wrong end of a hangover more than a few times, I try to stay within the norm and not go past the "happy" feeling. LOL IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 25287 From: Columbus, GA USA Registered: Nov 2000
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posted November 11, 2003 02:18 PM
Actually, Biblical scholars say God allowed meat-eating only because of man's weakness (and gave instructions about cleanliness, since we didn't have the technology available to make certain foods safe). But there is no scripture (of which I am aware) that states Jesus Himself ate any meat. ------------------ "Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
moondreamer Knowflake Posts: 503 From: durban Registered: Nov 2002
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posted November 11, 2003 02:54 PM
For me, drinking only occurs when I am with people who are drinking,so it is really a social thing to do.IP: Logged |