posted November 17, 2003 10:29 AM         

sometimes people (myself included) are a bunch of boboheads...and the internet seems to be a place for bullies because it's virtually faceless...

posted November 17, 2003 11:21 AM         

I agree that sensitive feelings are the order of the day. I feel it too and have taken offence lately and projected my 'feelings' on others. It`s not easy and it`s downright miserable. Consider it one of lifes tests.... Pass or fail? It`s up to you!!!!

It is so discourging to have to ask 'K nowflakes' to please take it easy ; we`re all here together for a purpose and it isn`t for sniping at each other!

Ozonefiller, rather you go or stay is your personal choice and you have to live with it. I wish you well ( either way) as you walk your path

juniperb

posted November 17, 2003 11:34 AM         

If it wasn't an insult, then all Ozone had to say was "Hey, you're going down the wrong path, I didn't mean it that way". Fine, then that's my bad and I will be the first to apologize.

That wasn't the case. Instead Ozone then launched into attacks on all Sagittarians but saying all of us Archers shoot arrows without knowing the target and justified why Pisces left Jupiter. Go ahead and insult ME, I can take it, but don't bash a whole astrological sign. That is just childish.

posted November 17, 2003 11:54 AM         

"The sailor, coming out again, the lady fairly leapt at him.
That's how it stands today. You decide if he was wise.
The story teller makes no choice. Soon you will not hear his voice.
His job is to shed light, and not to master."

I had some experiances like these,but I never told anybody Lioneye,at thirty-six ya think that you start feeling your age,but to me,it's the opposite. And other people that I talked to have had some similar effects and I think that it might be interesting to find out if anybody here maybe going through something of the same!

One dreams might be as important to them,but my beleif is that when one names dates,THAT means that it is a dream that effects the world at large! The archers might not make great leaders,but they do make excellent prophets,that is one of the finer traits of Sagittarians. Many think that it's the Scorpio that does that,but that's not true, The Eagles have other gifts,understanding the paranormal is OURS! Leos like us because we are at the same level as them,Pisces' likes us,because they know exactly what we're talking about. Everybody says that we're "far out" that's because we are! We can see things that nobody else normally sees. Aquarians loves that about us. We make LIGHT to who we are and what we see and try to explain why this is so,to decipher the "argument"(I mean debate)and not make fun of, and that is why Libras tolorate us! Etc,etc,etc.

On the whole,WE ARE the "Snake eating it's tail" and that's why we are able to ware so many "Masks" because we have them all.We're the chameleons of the zodiac,the great pretenders. BUT remember this,"We say what we mean and we mean what we say!" You will never find us polishing crap for a living!

I except you apology Amanda,but please,don't take anything that say personal,believe me,you'll know when I'm at the point to "sack" somebody.

posted November 17, 2003 12:07 PM         

I said,"I don't listen to too many Sagittarians",I didn't say all Sagittarians!

So,"Hey, you're going down the wrong path!"

posted November 17, 2003 12:37 PM         

Ozonefiller, let's just not talk about this anymore, because it just seems that more fuel is being added to a fire that I'd personally like to see burn out. Ok?

Thanks.

posted November 17, 2003 12:52 PM         

You just got here,you didn't see the dosies that have been conducted here in the past,but that doesn't mean anything,with hopes that it will never happen again.

posted November 17, 2003 01:07 PM         

I just don't read every single post, not that I don't want to, but my time is very limited and I pop in and out when I can...

All I can say is this...life is very very short in the bodies that we have at this very moment...so, it's better to just make the best of what time we do have here on this Earth...and really, worrying about internet drama (for lack of a better word) is just not worth the time anymore ..to me anyway..after watching my father die of lung/brain cancer the past few months, I'll never quite take the internet or the drama's that follow it, that seriously anymore...there is so much more to life...

And one piece of advice, I'm not telling you to change, for you are you...and yes, others should be tolerant..BUT..if you find that you are continuing to have problems with how others perceive you, then maybe you should take a step outside of yourself and try to review your prior responses/actions with a more objective view...to my knowledge, noone here just picks a poster and then gangs up on them...we all have room to grow and mature and improve ourselves...maybe this is an instance that it's your turn to do so...?

posted November 17, 2003 01:24 PM         

I rather just make peace and walk away.

I can look at all my posts a million times and I still can't see what I might have said offensive without a reason. I know only one person here(not mentioning any names)that I was really strong against and I'm NOT really sorry. I had good reason for that,he was out of line!

posted November 17, 2003 02:42 PM         

I think the fact that two Saggies had prophetic dreams hilighting specific dates this month is a little spooky, and I'm curious to see what comes of it. I'm not aware of anything significant that happened on the 14th, but something could have taken place behind the scenes for which the repercussions are yet to come. Perhaps on the 22nd we'll see?

posted November 17, 2003 03:10 PM         

November 22 / 23rd is also the date of the Solar eclipse, so this may bring to light a few things as well.

The busy Sag sign is no joke. For me, I now have Mercury Pluto, Venus, Juno,Eros and Psyche all conjuncting my venus while marching their way over to my Sun. It's been interesting to say the least, especially since they are all hanging out in my 3rd house of communications. LOL Then on the 23rd the Sun and Moon will also join in Sagittarius to complete the total party

For those of us with Virgo and Pisces planets, this can be a tense issue on some fronts (My Pisces Mars and Virgo Rising conjunction with Pluto is not too happy, but hell, at least it's only another month and Mars will be home in Aries....away from my Mars).

I have always been a dreamer, I think Amanda has said the same about her dreams, but lately they have been more powerful and frequent (meaning the "truth life" feeling / quality that differentiates them from other dreams)

Lioneye, you have a Sag rising and you're a super Leo, have you been having more dreams or felt the effect of the other planets in Sag?

posted November 17, 2003 03:24 PM         

Jupiter is in Virgo as well, which conjuncts my natal Jupiter, so it's a great thing, a Jupiter conj. Jupiter transit. But it's not so great to my Saggie ascnendant.

posted November 17, 2003 03:50 PM         

I have seen cats like that in the ER hospital after getting a pretty hard knock to the head. They walk in circles and one pupil is so much bigger than the other.

For some, dreaming of hurt animals, is really a dream of trying to protect someone (even your own inner self) from some kind of unknown fear. The animal represents an aspect or person that cannot defend itself. If you felt powerless to defend the animal, then you may also be in a situation where you feel powerless. This just reminded me of what you are going through with your neighbor. Maybe in some way you or your family represents that cat when it comes to your neighbor that insists on attacking you for the smallest infraction, or even without an infraction at all.

I start to dream about my animals or animals being hurt when I am in a situation where I have no control. It's a different feeling that when I dream about my animal guides, which give me a sense of empowerment.

posted November 17, 2003 03:52 PM         

Well,as we know,Pluto is a name given by the Romans,but the Greeks named him Hades and is falsely notorious for being the bad guy of the Gods,for he is the God of the underworld and his throne sits a place called Tartarus(the land of the dead)across from the river Styx,he is not concidered a very friendly fellow,in a matter of fact,very seldom does he leave his kingdom to visit Olympus nor Earth at all.He is such an anti-socialist that he even wares a helmet that gives him invisibility so nobody knows where he is or where he's going or whether or not he gone at all. He likes to live like a living shadow. But this does not go without the fact he still has feelings and that he can still love deeply...

The story of the abduction of Persephone is a touching explanation for the harshness of Winter and the sweetness of Spring. Hades was so overwhelmed by Persephone’s sweet charms that, instead of wooing her, he abducted her against her will and dragged her to The Underworld.
He and Zeus had plotted to abduct the young girl away in secret but their plans were foiled when Helios saw the evil act and told Demeter the fate of her missing child. Persephone was helpless against the wiles of Zeus and remained the unwilling captive of Hades. After several years Demeter found a way to force Zeus’ hand and free her daughter.
Demeter sat in her new temple at Eleusis and cursed the earth with famine. Seeds would not grow. Plowed fields remained empty. Zeus and the other immortals were worried that this would be the end of mortal life on earth and thus, their worshipers would die. One by one, the immortals begged her to forgive and forget but Demeter was unmoved.
Zeus sent Hermes to speak gentle words to Hades and persuade him to let Persephone return to her brooding mother. Hades was sympathetic but he was also intent on keeping his bride. He tricked Persephone into eating a pomegranate seed and by doing so she was forever bound to him. Persephone returned to the world of light to see her mother but her stay was only temporary.
Demeter was joyous when Persephone came to her temple and roused herslf from her destructive brooding. But her joy was tempered by the trickery of Hades and the honey-sweet pomegranate seed. The only one who could change Demeter’s heart was her mother. After pleas from Rhea, Demeter lifted her curse and allowed the earth to blossom and be fruitful again.
It was decreed by Zeus that Persephone would spend two thirds of the year with her mother and the remaining third with her husband, Hades. Each year when Persephone returns from the underworld, Demeter showers the earth with gentle rain and sweet breezes. Each time Persephone returns to Hades, Demeter hardens her heart and the earth is wracked with bitter cold and harsh winds.

Pluto rules Death,Sex,Regeneration,Rebirth,Decay and The Afterlife.

There is an old saying that is the perfect lable for Hades "Birth is the very first day that we all are dying!" All things of Hades is as much of life as it is of Death. There are two sides of living,from the time we are born,we start to deteriorate,but at the same time,we grow from learning for who we are as well,with our knowledge,expieriances,our Legancies from our minds,our hearts,our souls...

Cronus(Saturn)was the only God to be Bannished to the underworld under Hades' care,but that doesn't go without maintaining his power as a God(for he is still Zeus' father and the father of the rest of the Gods). Once there, he created a place for himself(rather then going to Tartarus)where it is very beautiful and peaceful,people like to call this Heaven,but Cronus gave it a name and we to this day use this under the court of law. He called it Elysium,but if you change the letters around and add and take away a letter,you got ASYLUM!

posted November 17, 2003 04:03 PM         

poems and plays from the antiquity are several of my favorite subjects. david ferry has an excellent translation of ovid's tale about hades and persephone. i love this poem and highly recommend it.

see you around

posted November 17, 2003 05:07 PM         

Yeah,I'll look into that,as soon as I get out of this little internet mess that I got myself into,I'm downloading some screensavers for my PC.