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posted January 23, 2004 02:59 PM         

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Recently I had to completely abort my image-ordain-manifest practice.I never really took the time to gain control before I started at it.Actually,I havn't been imaging or ordaining at all-just manifesting through some elusive sort of vibe I get into. That's why it's been so hard to control.I'm also a kind of paranoid and neurotic type and I worry a lot(think Woody Allen on meth amphetamine). So has anyone had similar experiences? Any tips on coping? Gaining control? I'm not going to go at it again until I'm fully in control.

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posted January 23, 2004 03:18 PM         

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Are you sure you're not just overreacting to what amounts to nothing more than a coincidence or two? I must admit I find your obscurity rather curious, and I'd like it if you could elaborate. (Aqua moon here )

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posted January 23, 2004 03:41 PM         

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Nope.No possibility of coincidence.I'm talking about trumping the laws of physics here.I can't bring myself to publicize though.At least not yet. Sorry.P.S.Nothing super,super big.The significance is in quality not quantity.

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posted January 26, 2004 10:43 AM         

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Boy oh boy.Doesn't anybody out there (in Linda Land of all places!)have anything to add? I guess the real movers and shakers of the esoteric world don't frequent the web.

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posted January 26, 2004 11:13 AM         

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No need to get condescending now, AquaVenus.

Y'know, just because you decided to 'drop' the IOM, doesn't necessarily mean that it will stop happening. I manifest things all the time without intending to. I always discover it in retrospect. My partner does it too. The best way to learn how to control it is to practice your visualization skills. Then be conscious of your thoughts. Don't go around charging negative thought-forms that you wouldn't want to see manifest in your life. That is harder than it sounds, especially for some poeple. My scorp moon has a nasty habit of imagining very awful scenarios and frighteningly, a few have come to pass.

Do you meditate? I can't say that I do with any regularity but I know people who do and it seems to help them a great deal with their visualization.
The trick is, you must be VERY specific with what you are desiring and how you want it to come to pass. The universe has a way of delivering things to us in unexpected and sometimes VERY undesireable manners.

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posted January 26, 2004 11:41 AM         

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Aqua Venus~
You're here, does that mean you don't consider yourself an 'esoteric mover and shaker'?

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posted January 26, 2004 11:43 AM         

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Tell me about it,Harpyr.I can't control all my moods all the time,and if that's what it takes to be a success,no wonder nobody's posting.Like I stated in the topic-starter,I had been manifesting without any visualization at all.This makes me wonder whether the visualizing is actually superfluous.On the other hand it could be the means by which the force is controlled.In that case,it may be the answer to my IOM woes. What I really want to do is divorce my ability from my emotions.Then it would be impervious to the inevitable mood swings we all experience.I think it's the "knowing" that accomplishes this.But like you lamented so truly,it's easier said than done.

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posted January 26, 2004 03:58 PM         

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But AquaVenus, are we not largely ruled by our emotions? And in fact is it not our e-motions that drive the IOM? If we do not have a strong feeling about something, does it not make it harder to acomplish it? emotion is almost an essential element of the manifestation process. Your emotions are what give it the energy it needs. If you are manisfesting more quickly with you emotions, then I would ask, are you feeling more deeply about these things, at least at the time? perhaps divorcing from the emotions is not what is require but instead, more of a measure of concious control over your direction of these emotions. And remember that any negative force you put force can be canceled with a concios act of canceling the energy you have put forth. After a bout of anger perhaps you thought something bad about someone and maybe didn't mean it. As soon as you realize you though it, just cancel it. This is the best way of not manifesting anything in a negative manner, because even if you do not conciously image something, that does not mean you did not think about it and therefore "image" it. I mean who hasn't thought something bad about someone else when they are angry? Just remember to cancel the negative energy as soon as you calm down.

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posted February 02, 2004 11:59 AM         

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I believe it was Linda herself who said that to master IOM one must KNOW-not believe or have faith or optimism or what-have-you.It's like no matter what sort of mood you're in,when you flip a light switch you know it's gonna turn on or off.You don't have to be in a certain mood to accomplish this.That's exactly the kind of control I want.A lofty goal,I realize,but not unattainable.If my emotions affect specific IOM projects,then I'm still a novice and it may not be wise to undertake more advanced IOM work.You see,I've noted over and over again the way the effects of certain IOM endeavors fluctuate right alongside doubt or faith.For some reason bad moods tend to shake my confidence and set me to worrying.And another thing:You know how when something great happens you sort of "can't believe it"? Well,naturally when my IOM kicks in I get that feeling of giddiness and there's an element of doubt in that and well....it's all more complicated than I care for.I start grasping for it and grasping isn't knowing is it? So it's not just normal emotions,but a doubt/faith complex.

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posted February 02, 2004 02:02 PM         

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Hi Aqua Venus!
Yes, I believe I know what you mean.

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posted February 02, 2004 11:42 PM         

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Ah, yes but on the flip side, what you know coinciously and unconciously are often separate things, and the unconcious is certainly more powerfull that the concious, especially given that the coincious mind can only focus on I belive seven simultaneous items/tasks/thoughts, while the subconcious is capable of keeping track of nearly 40,000 simultaneous items/tasks/thoughts what-have-you. Thus your subconcious can do a lot more in less time. Learning to conciously controll that is the real test. You must first train your subconcious to believe, and then you will KNOW.

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