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Topic: Vapid Women
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juniperb
Knowflake Posts: 6830
From: Blue Star Kachina
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted June 17, 2004 09:25 AM
 
A personal notation. 
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Mercury is thought and communication, and I THINK that Aquas are known for impersonal debates and the like.
I have a Aqua sun
Mercury in Aqua
North Node Aqua ------------------
If having a soul means being able to feel love and loyalty and gratitude, then animals are better off than a lot of humans. ~James Herriot IP: Logged |
pixelpixie
Knowflake Posts: 5301
From: Ontario Canada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted June 17, 2004 10:40 AM
How do I comment on a three page rant? Based upon your personal observations and a rebuttal towards me.
Yes, you are entitled to talk as long as you'd like.. knock yourself out, and of course, as it was headlined 'pixel', I have to read every sentance of it....... How do I possibly comment on the things you'd written, when it was so long winded? Most of it you could probably sum up in two paragraphs. Not that I am throwing stones, as I like to 'talk ' too.
The posts you are referring to, first of all, in the Janet Jackson thread.... I was not talking to Carlo.. he isn't on the board anymore.
In terms of me not going all over his words and choosing to comment on yours.. I did make comments to him that he was innappropriate, but really, you said yourself... It is him. You can't take it seriously. Whereas, you have said countless times that you over-read several times the things you say before you post ( that must take a long freakin' time!!lol) and that you are a bit of a 'controller' in terms of your own life.. Fixed if you will.. (don't I know about that!) So you are in a sense, coming from a different place than he was... He is a self proclaimed player and goofball. Much like me, he comes (came) here for fun and insight. Naturally, we joked and jived... I in no way abide by his 'rules of conduct' and the derogatory terms he called the women here I love and respect. They held their own beautifully, and I was there to defend as well... (no one ever needs my help, in that respect, anyway)You obviously didn't read all the posts pertaining to this. I think you take me out of context as much as I take you out of context.
You take things far too seriously, and don't see the lightness in tone where things are light. For someone so playful, you sure aren't.
Thank you for surmising my personality, like you seem to want to do in other threads.. like you can control everything in your environment, and fit me into one of those neat little categories..... I never wanted to be a lawyer, I was making light of the fact that I do seem to 'fight for the underdog.' I don't take offense to everything anyone says.... some things could be construed as offensive, but I don't go there.... I am open minded.. but it is based upon perspective. I know, from the tone of most of your posts, the way you communicate.. I know you are a fixed person, a strong woman with thought out opinions.. therefore, you can't 'get away' with what others could, in your speech, as you have said countless times you control the things you put out there.. So I call you on it, as your opinions must be well thought out, or else you wouldn't put it out there.
Like- my three year old can get away with writing with chalk on the wall, as she might not understand the ramifications of it.. but if my nine year old did it? He'd be expected to clean it up as the perspective he is coming from is one of knowing.
Don't think you can pin me down so easily and judgementally, and I will try to offer you the same perspective. I respect you, yes, but if this were the real world, I think it is certain that we wouldn't be friends. As defensive as I am, it is in response to you ALSO being defensive. So we have both reached the realm of offensiveness. I wasn't going to respond last night at all, I was going to leave it, but you mentioned something I couldn't just leave dangling there.. about me, so I said it. Now we are polluting this thread. I am Done. I wil generously bow out. ( If I can!)
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pixelpixie
Knowflake Posts: 5301
From: Ontario Canada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted June 17, 2004 01:44 PM
Okay, can't bow out yet. I wanted to actually address some of your last post, to make mine at least as long as yours."I should have used a word like repetitive, and not vapid to describe it now...." Fabulous. If you had, none of this back and forth would be happening.I did take offense ( or defense) to an insult to people who weren't aware of it to defend themselves.. it seemed really self centred of you to think that they are these dull women, lacking in character. Superficiality is one thing.. just like those men who control all aspects of their lives in powerful positions, so go to a mistress to be dominated.. sometimes you only get half the story. It is unfair to judge. That's what I am saying, anyway. I do agree though. Superficiality is rampant.. but on the duality side, I'd like to extend that people bring more to their world than what they present to you on a board. You are not 'better than them' which is how it came across. "I always observe the correct TIME AND PLACE for EVERYTHING. That is a practice that I have made a vow to adhere to in my life." Wow. It must be nice to have God-like control, and to never evolve. I don't wish to emulate that. "And about your other comment about how I try to 'take over threads and steer them' well.... have you ever watched Chris Matthews on HardBall sometime? That man doesn't let his own guests get a word in edge-wise most shows, lol." Well yeah.. HIS show... Threads are not YOUR show.. and that's my point. They are open to expanding wherever they will, with an introduction from you. "So, I don't honestly really think that I need to be given any particular 'heads up' from you that tells me just when I may or when I may not be posting some sort of over the top judgemental commentary...." Absolutely not. But it is my right to bring it up, as it is yours to 'rebuttal it'. So don't read it, don't respond, whatever. I think I have been pretty forthcoming all in all. So have you. "But hey, if you need to get up and ride a white horse every once in awhile to fulfill your dormant desire to be a lawyer, then by all means, I will be happy to be your 'whipping girl' for that desire of yours, I guess" Ooooooooooooookay......... Yeah, that's me, riding that white horse and beating down people in my way. At least you can dish out sarcasm.  I thought you were the impersonal one.... I am the sensitive, right? So why make it personal? DO NOT comment to me about my love life on other threads again. I will not accept your comments.I do not want to feel n any way indebted to you. I am finished and done. I have purged. It has been an emotional week for me, so if you have any kindness ( which I sincerely hope you do) You will keep in mind that I am teetering and senitive to things I may normally let go. So I am being vulnerable here... and asking you to LET IT GO as well, I don't want to keep rehashing the same things out over and over in order to feel villified. It will never end that way. Have your say.. agree to disagree.
This sprang out in the first place due to compassion. And my need to feel compassion for people who can't say it themselves, and being frustrated that someone so opinionated couldn't express any sort of compassion in the perspective of her post. It frustrated me.
I am very sad this week. Please stop. Emotions are easy to confuse.. anger/frustration/sadness... even happiness is mixed in there. Just ah! Stop. You are not my whipping post and I am not yours. IP: Logged |
Nackie
Knowflake Posts: 561
From: Germany
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted June 17, 2004 03:29 PM
  Take care of you, Pixie, I'm thinking of you here, on the other side of the world... Nackie IP: Logged |
juniperb
Knowflake Posts: 6830
From: Blue Star Kachina
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted June 17, 2004 03:33 PM
I`m happy you can express the emotion Pix. It does help. {{{hugs}}}------------------
If having a soul means being able to feel love and loyalty and gratitude, then animals are better off than a lot of humans. ~James Herriot IP: Logged |
juniperb
Knowflake Posts: 6830
From: Blue Star Kachina
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted June 17, 2004 03:35 PM
Playful, maybe we should let this string rest  juniperb  ------------------
If having a soul means being able to feel love and loyalty and gratitude, then animals are better off than a lot of humans. ~James Herriot IP: Logged |
quiksilver
Knowflake Posts: 568
From: new jersey, usa
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted June 17, 2004 09:29 PM
Hey Playful,
I was afraid you'd resist the notion to quit playing defense. You must be exhausted right about now! Sometimes it's just best to "ignore" and move on instead of jumping into the fray. But I hear ya barkin' loud and clear, big dog!  Just know that if you're strong in your convictions then it doesn't really matter who tells you to go jump off a cliff, right? I mean, you know what you know and you'll damn well change your mind if/when you feel like it! So seriously, I'd advise to move to higher ground and forget the endless battles. You know who you are and you're the only one who has to answer for it. (But just answer to yourself and your god, if you have one ) Or not...just my advice. Ok, now for me..... What gets me angry is when I realize that I am in fact succumbing to angry feelings, for whatever reason. The minute I feel anger well up inside me I have this feeling that I failed again because I let me petty emotions get in the way of growth and that infuriates me. I've been trying to cultivate more humility but it's been difficult because like you, I am so tempted to shout my opinions from the rooftops. But lately I've installed a type of alarm which goes off when I am starting to get red in the face. The minute I notice this, I try to calm down and examine why I am angry. Usually I find it's because I think I am not being heard in some way. Then I start to ask why it's so important for me to be heard. And usually it all boils down to the fact that I am trying to seek attention, which is a pretty petty reason for getting all fired up. So the second I realize that this is happening I kind of just laugh it off, kind of like my own private joke. The funny thing is that instead of calming the other person down, it usually aggravates them even more! Which is even funnier actually. Well, gotta try to have a sense of humor about these things. If ya don't have that then ya don't have much. Ok, next question..... what do you think the purpose of your life is? Go! IP: Logged |
pixelpixie
Knowflake Posts: 5301
From: Ontario Canada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted June 17, 2004 09:58 PM
But who was telling whom, to jump off which cliff, quiksilver?
I am assuming you are talking over me here. You are more than entitled to take whatever stand you'd like.. but why don't you start a new thread with which to do it? This one is a little exhausted, don't you think?IP: Logged |
trillian
Knowflake Posts: 4050
From: The Boundless
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted June 18, 2004 09:52 AM
Anger is a valid emotion, just like all others. What you do with it is up to you.People disagree. It's ok to disagree. Pixie has been honest and direct about her feelings, which personally I prefer to indirectly, but obviously, sending out a barb or two. People believe their way is the righteous way. But we're all right, and we're all wrong. Love and compassion are here for us all, but in the end, you get what you give. IP: Logged |
trillian
Knowflake Posts: 4050
From: The Boundless
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted June 18, 2004 09:53 AM
And I'll second Juni...perhaps it's best to let this string fade away...IP: Logged |
quiksilver
Knowflake Posts: 568
From: new jersey, usa
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted June 18, 2004 09:20 PM
Hey Playful,
You still out there? I'd definitely like to chat with you in more depth, if you're so inclined.... Feel free to email me at quicksilver_0_7@yahoo.com and we'll pick up where we left off. Cool? I'm peacin' outta hea'... IP: Logged |
lioneye68
Knowflake Posts: 6062
From: Canada
Registered: Apr 2003
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posted June 19, 2004 12:03 AM
what does vapid mean?  IP: Logged |
proxieme
unregistered
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posted June 19, 2004 01:17 AM
vap·id
- Lacking liveliness, animation, or interest; dull: vapid conversation.
- Lacking taste, zest, or flavor; flat: vapid beer.
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pixelpixie
Knowflake Posts: 5301
From: Ontario Canada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted June 19, 2004 03:22 AM
Also; Dull/questionable character.IP: Logged |
ariestiger
Knowflake Posts: 1136
From: UK
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted June 19, 2004 05:48 AM
Playful,
I don't want to get too personal here...but, roughly, how old are you?
I'm asking this because I recall a time when I was maybe working through similar issues to yourself. I can relate to what you have been saying...I've been there...but I've developed from there to become the person I am now. Previously, things all seemed very confusing...but they worked themselves out. I think you are evolving...part and parcel of life's journey...you are maybe seeking your true identity? LOL
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yousay
Knowflake Posts: 80
From: New Zealand
Registered: Feb 2003
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posted June 19, 2004 06:58 AM
Why on earth do you people keep defending yourselves and apologising. You express your healthy opinions and because someone doesn't agree, you (no-one in particular) defend your original thought and then you back down from your first statement. I am adding no question marks.Yousay IP: Logged |
ariestiger
Knowflake Posts: 1136
From: UK
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted June 19, 2004 11:53 AM
Yousay, I'm interested to know why you think that. Does that really come over in my posts?
- Actually, unless I'm really riled or challenged, I'm not all that confrontational - so I try to say things in an acceptable way. Plus, I can see many shades of grey in arguments, so that's maybe why what I say comes over as what you think. I don't intend to be apologetic, unless I feel I have said something that might really offend somebody...and I do hope I know my own mind, and can make it up without undue influence from others! Perhaps the effect you see is that of the plethora of Mutable signs in my chart...flexibility, working around things. I am also fairly open to suggestion and prepared to change my mind or modify my opinion. Playful, please don't feel patronized - it's just that I try to understand why people think and feel in certain ways, and you remind me VERY much of the way I was a few years ago. These issues are important to you right now. I am probably at the tail-end of some of the issues you are concerned with. For example, I can't always understand women, and frequently have a problem with them as close friends - not as acquaintances, as close friends - but then I can't understand some men either! It's true that there are some women who seem to be totally vacant...very often because nothing much was expected of them.
Because there are higher expectations of men, they are viewed in a more favourable light, looked up to more. This is why many women also have a negative view of women. But a lot of women do think deeply about things - and are OK. It's just getting past the social and emotional minefield of conversing with women. They seem to have a "code of conduct", which needs to be carefully observed to be learnt. (Evenso, I'm not sure I understand it fully!) I must admit I don't go overmuch for small talk...but that has its place, like everything else...And, hey, what woman doesn't like talking about romance? Without a doubt, MEN are what's uppermost in most women's minds!!! It's a natural, biological fact, you can't escape it.
LOL
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