posted June 15, 2004 10:43 PM         

You know, I am out here in cyberspace just scouring some boards, and I honestly can't quite help noticing that a lot of women out there just seem sort of vapid to me.

I think this same subject was sort of touched on by ariestiger in the Astrology Forum in some thread not too long ago too, where she was discussing about how difficult it can be to find women who want to probe things and ask questions about things and all of that good stuff.

I have written these two very nice, interesting posts about Universal Love on another board that is filled with female posters, and so far, no one has even replied to either one of them yet.

I know this is going to sound amazing coming from me of all people, lol, but all that these particular women seem to want to talk about is romance, and I mean the kind that they get via tv, and that annoys me just a bit, lol.

I love my faith in a lifelong romance for myself someday, but I do like to also think and talk about lots of other things by way of philosophy and the like too though, lol.

Do any other women here notice these same trends out there?

Like, is it kind of hard to find women who are really into deeper philosophical discussions beyond everyday things and fantasy romance?

Thanks for your replies as always!

Playful

posted June 15, 2004 11:29 PM         

I see it as well sometimes, but just let it pass you by if you don`t wish to be entertained by it and remember, we`re all diverse, have different priorities, and are making our way the best we can

juniperb

posted June 16, 2004 01:17 AM         

Hrmm... as for the original post...

Well I have many different types of friends. I don't really care what sex they are because that doesn't matter to me. They are each diverse and interesting and deep in their own ways. Sometimes they don't feel like a deep discussion and sometimes they do! Sometimes the same goes for me. I have a couple friends that will never have a deep discussion. They are the ones that are usually very fun to go have a couple drinks with! If I'm up for some deep conversation I know to go elsewhere

There are times I'll see a thread on another board trying to get people to dig deeper or bring up a more intellectual discussion. I guess it depends on which board it is on whether or not I'll answer! Some boards are like bars or nightclubs, some are like slumber parties, some are for reflection, some are like a subway, some are like a temple!

I've seen threads on, say, the Duran Duran board that are on a more intellectual level. Usually they get few responses because that's not why people go there.

But then I don't know what type of board you posted to that you are expecting some feedback on!

Sometimes I don't feel comfortable answering a thread that interests me on a public board. It doesn't mean everyone on the board is vapid...

posted June 16, 2004 01:43 AM         

I was just noticing a trend about what people out here do and don't like to seem to discuss sometimes, and then bringing up my observations for discussion.

If I used an adjective to describe it that you think is out of line, then I am very sorry.

I can use the words of 'narrowly focused on discussing daily duties and talking about their rich fantasy life' instead.

I used the word vapid just because it was a convenient word for communication purposes, that's all.

More than one person have brought up the same exact sentiments here before, BOTH male and female posters, in relation to BOTH males and females that they speak to out here.

That guy who used to post here awhile ago, Lost Leo, brought up a similiar point awhile back when he was discussing the conversations that go on among college students out in CA vs. the types of conversations that go on around here instead.

And like I said, ariestiger, also brought this up in a recent thread not too long ago as well.

So frankly, I have no idea why you seem so ticked off at me about it tonight.

I ALWAYS spend an INORDINATE amount of time reading and then re-reading my own posts before I post them on ANY board, including this one.

As I have said in my posts before now, I am an ESSAY writer by nature, and yes, of course, that means that a LOT of the time, my posts might come out to sound like I am trying to debate or persuade someone by the virtue of their content, but my words aren't obscene, and they aren't offensive at all.

I speak my own points just like anyone else does, and I'll go on about them until the cows come home if I feel like it too, lol.

I am under no obligation to you or to anyone else as to how lengthy, or as to how in depth, or as to how anything at all, my posts may or may not turn out to be.

And by the way, I think that what you see as my personal short-sightedness for MY LIFE I merely see as my personal focus for MY LIFE.

I am focused about what I want and need in my own life, and maybe that seems like some sort of short-sighted view for me to have in your own eyes, merely because I don't actually need to keep questioning myself about so many things out here?

But, when it comes to anyone else's views at all, I dare you to show me where on Earth you think that I have denigrated or disrespected another person's views at all in the least????

Can you possibly name ONE single post of mine that has provoked this reaction from you????

What on Earth could it possibly be here????

As for my ways of communicating through certain phrases like 'personally' or 'myself,' ....

the reasons that I put those phrases in is because I want people to know that that is only exactly what my views really, really are.

They are only my own personal perspectives that I am talking about here.

Like, I think that I may have used that phrase to describe how I would feel about having sex with someone without much commitment being involved in it, and I think that I may have used the phrase "I would personally feel like that was a cold thing for me to do."

And from MY OWN PERSPECTIVE, I WOULD find it to be that way, simply because I am too emotional about that issue to go through with anything like that.

But someone else who has no problems with that issue, would find the idea of having to be in love just to have sex to be a 'wimpy or a whiny ' sentiment about the whole thing or something else along those lines too.

I mean, they have THEIR PERSONAL PERSPECTIVES FOR THEMSELVES which tell them that having to have love with sex all the time feels sappy and sentimental.

They have that perspective because they aren't as emotional about the whole damn thing.

And I HAVE MY PERSONAL PERSPECTIVE that feels like having sex wwithout love is sort of cold, because I have my feelings about needing one to have the other one.

It's like we're all standing in different places, and we see it from a totally different perspective because of that fact, and that is what we all express in our posts as we write them.

But where you see that I have somehow insulted anyone by talking about my own perspectives, I have absolutely NO IDEA.

The only time that I got snippy myself recently was with trillian, and I did apolgize to her for that, for taking things WAY too personally when she started talking about Hollywood and the like lately, and I also explained the reasons why I reacted that way to her and her words that time.

But my gosh, I certainly didn't explode on her like the way you just did to me here.

Sorry if you have problems with my attitude or something, but hey, I ain't leaving these Forums unless a Moderator instructs me to do so, ok?

Playful

posted June 16, 2004 02:13 AM         

I don't really see where you are coming from. I have read many a post on this forum that was far from vapid.

I remember reading one of your posts when I joined (can't remember which one) and something about it really turned me off. It was far from philosophical. I'm know it had something to do with inquiring about people's sex lives. Not the one you recently posted about the interesting question about sex, a different one.

Don't get me wrong I like sex just as much as the next girl, I just don't prefer to share certian personal things sometimes.

When I saw your posts I thought - ugh, there's that dirty old man again. Come to find out you are a woman. I'm not being mean. This is an example of how I judged you by only reading a couple of your posts.
Just like you are judging the women on this forum.

Obviously there is more to you than how I percieved you, and maybe there is more to the women on this forum than you are chosing to see.

If you removed the ego, and realized that just because people are'nt jumping to their keyboards whenever you post a topic, that YOU think is "very nice, and interesting", does'nt mean they are dull or vapid.

Everyone you are in contact with in your life is a reflection of self. So, I find it interesting in how you see the women on the forum.

This may sound angry, but it is really not meant to hurt you in anyway. I just felt the need to voice my opinion. And I hope one day we can have a "philosophical" discussion.

posted June 16, 2004 03:10 AM         

No no no no no, lol.

I wasn't talking about the women on THIS WEBSITE, for God sake.

I was referring to women out on 'other boards,' meaning OUT ON OTHER WEBSITES, LOL.

Do you really actually think that even IF I thought that the women here were vapid in their topic selection for one second, which I honestly don't think anyway, but if I did think that, do you honestly believe that I would really go so far as to publicly refer to the topics that the women speak about here as vapid right to their keyboards, lol????

What on Earth would doing that achieve for me, I ask you????

The topics which I started and didn't get any responses to are on TOTALLY DIFFERENT WEBSITES, NOT IN LINDALAND.

I thought that I made that perfectly clear in my original posts before, but I guess you must have misinterpreted what I meant by 'other boards' and you maybe thought that I was referring to other posts that I made here in LL, I guess, I don't know.

My thoughts tonight have absolutely nothing to do with the women HERE at all, I assure you, lol.

So, your misinterpretation that I am somehow upset about women not opening up about their sex lives in LL is totally off base here, lol.

The posts in the OTHER places didn't even have anything to do with sex at all, for God sake, since as I MADE CLEAR ABOVE IN MY VERY FIRST POST about this, they were actually about quite the opposite sentiment instead, as they really backed off of the topic of romance or sex as a whole anyway.

My threads about sex in LL have nothing to do with my reasons for starting this whole thread, lol.

I was using my prior posts about casual sex to illustrate what I mean to express when I use the word 'personally' since pixel has always apparently had this issue with my use of it.

Those references to my prior thoughts about casual sex have not one thing to do with the original topic of this thread at all.

I brought that up to explain to pixel what I mean by my phrasing of 'personally' in my posts, and those prior thoughts on casual sex were just an easy way to put that across at the time.

Anyways,

I have absolutely no idea about the sex post you are referring to with me coming off as offensive or 'dirty old manish' on this website, lol.

The only things I can think of that you might have taken that way are the discussions about open relationships and talking about the janet jackson thing and female objectification by clothing and nudity in some other threads.

If you would ever please search and find this thread, I would LOVE to read about it, although I did go through and delete a lot out of that janet / nudity thread for certain personal reasons, which have nothing at all to do with being ashamed about what I said in them.

I just let out some personal info. in it that I wanted to reel back in later on, so I edited it out very recently

Other than those threads, I usually post about astro aspects and soul twins and things like that.

I inquired about Tantra Yoga once and it's effects on your sex life out of curiosity, but that thread actually never went very far though anyway.

And how you received dirty old man from my posts about the open relationship and janet jackson and clothing and nudity issues, I have to admit I have no idea, since as trillian pointed out to me....

and as much as I hate to admit it now,

I AM, yipes, conservative on a lot of issues like those, lol.

I got a little hot under the collar too when she said that I was conservative in that janet thread, but I plead guilty to the term now though, lol.

She's right, on issues like these, I am actually conservative out here, lol.

Ok, so this whole thing had absolutely nothing to do with LINDALAND AT ALL in the first place.

If that is what anyone here thought I was referring to by 'other boards' then I duly apologize to them for that.

I was talking about an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT WEBSITE in the first place anyway.

Playful

posted June 16, 2004 03:35 AM         

By the way, just don't take part in the forums you visit if you notice the people arent on the same page as you.

posted June 16, 2004 05:19 AM         

Please don't worry about the confusion at all. That's no big deal to me.

I, nor any of the other posters whom I mentioned before such as ariestiger, ever meant to make any implication to anyone in LL that they were vapid.

As a matter of fact, if I recall their other posts correctly too, their own observations were only ever complimentary to the people in LL for being the type of people who really liked to pursue conversations that went beyond the more common themes that you can run into on other boards or in other places in your real life.

And as for me, as I have stated in the past here, I find LL to be an awesome sanctuary for me where I can explore all sorts of topics that just don't usually find as much of a place in everyday, ordinary conversations that I have with other people online, or in real life.

I guess I just need to search for some other 'LL like' boards then, lol.

Playful

posted June 16, 2004 08:45 AM         

quote:

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If you removed the ego, and realized that just because people are'nt jumping to their keyboards whenever you post a topic, that YOU think is "very nice, and interesting", does'nt mean they are dull or vapid.

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PPFM~ I wasn't attacking, I was defending.... call me crazy, but I did feel offended by your post. You insulted people. I don't know them, but they could be me. They could be people here. Just because you proof read your posts, and they meet your criteria, doesn't mean they are without 'fault' in another's eyes, so it is no defense.... but I mean, one is not accountable to the image they put out there that other's interpret. But you do seem to love to hear yourself and your ego is oftentimes bigger than mine, and I have Leo rising!! Ego, In terms of elevating your personal opinion to the status of the only one.... assuming anyone who doesn't respond to one of your posts is 'vapid'~dull, lacking character, simply due to any number of reasons... Very look-down-your-nose-at- attitude. One is not responsible for the threads they start, you give birth to an idea, other people spiral on it. I can't tell you how many times, when I read posts on the threads you start, you seem to take responsibility for it, steer it, lead it to a place you feel comfortable with.
I referred to 'personally' as the last thread where we butt heads, you seemed to be able to feel comfortable saying anything as long as you put that disclaimer before/after it. Yes, I am aware those are your personal feelings, but you don't lose accountability if you say it that way.
I can be downright nasty. I take reponsibility for that. If I feel it is justified, I will apologize tenfold.
In your quest for conversations 'worthy' of your exceptional essay like brain, careful you don't alienate people based upon your own quest for perfection. Nothing 'playful' about the way you post, from my perspective.
Confidence has transcended from a place of assertion to a place of ego gratification.
Don't insult people, based upon your judgement of their character. You are in no place to judge.

posted June 16, 2004 10:22 AM         

This thread is now a vapid conversation. I don't see any "philosophical" discussion about the lack of it thereoft.

posted June 16, 2004 04:30 PM         

We'll just have to agree to disagree about all of this stuff.

It wasn't that I found someone not responding to my posts to be an interesting topic to talk about just because I MYSELF started them, and I was feeling like....

'oh my gosh, how could people out there possibly ignore MY awesome incredible posts?' at all.

The point I was trying to make instead was that I feel like ANYBODY ELSE could have started the same threads as I did in these places, AND I STILL wouldn't feel that it would change the fact that those threads STILL probably wouldn't have gotten a lot of replies from anyone anyway, just because....

the women on the boards that I have been frequenting don't usually like to talk about more than a handful of things.

It had NOTHING to do with the idea of....

'oh, they ignored MY post and how could they do THAT when I, of all people wrote it?'....

as much as it had EVERYTHING to do with the fact that....

'I visit boards that are frequented by women, and I am wondering why they just always seem to be discussing the same lines of topics all of the time.'

And I was trying to ask, 'and so, by the way, have you all noticed anything like this out there as well?'

Well anyways, as for the way that I post in general, and for me steering my threads to ONLY my own conclusions....

I don't take accountability for something that I just don't honestly see happening at all.

pixel,

I will say, in honor of balancing the scales to show that there are always two sides to every topic, I will also comment that I have seen you also react in sort of the same way to another poster's messages named tahariel ( is that their right name? ) where you told them that you felt they were coming off as condescending too.

This was back BEFORE you and I EVER started having our own personal misunderstandings.

And Amy,

To further balance things out, I also know that you are having a small issue with the way that Gloria posts in the Astrology Forum right now as well.

So, please excuse me if I don't choose to 'sweat it' too much just because you two particular girls can't seem to always understand my intentions all of the time, all right?

And if anybody else feels the same way about my writing style as you both do, then so be it, I guess.

I haved deeply felt opinions, but so long as I don't come outright and directly insult anyone for feeling differently than I do about something, I honestly can't see where I should make any move to 'back down' from stating how I feel about things at all.

I think it would just be ridiculous for me to do something like that when this is an open Forum.

As for the original topic, don't worry about it at all.

I am obviously sorry that I even actually bothered to post about it by now.

I didn't think that the one word of 'vapid' would set so many people off this way, so I am obviously sorry that I ever used it to describe anyone else's topics for discussion.

I should have inquired as to whether I found a lot of people's topics for discussion to be repetitive, not vapid.

That would have been less controversial, I suppose.

See you around the Forums,
Playful

posted June 16, 2004 08:02 PM         

I love talkin' about boys and make-up and hair and nail polish colors and the sales at my favorite stores. I love shoes. I bought about 6 pairs this summer, and generally only wear two most of the time.
I love sunglasses. I have at least 5 pair in my car right now. Maybe more. The pair I have been longing for finally went on sale yesterday and now they are mine! Came with a cool case too, it's a metal tin.

I can talk (and gossip!) about men for hours with both laughter and tears. Oh, and with a longing for the love of my life.

I cry at both sad and happy movies. If a commercial is good enough, it might move me to tears too.
And then I want to talk about it.

quote:

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I haved deeply felt opinions, but so long as I don't come outright and directly insult anyone for feeling differently than I do about something, I honestly can't see where I should make any move to 'back down' from stating how I feel about things at all.

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PPFM, this is what you always use as your out. You don't do it directly, you just imply, insinuate. But your intentions are still so obvious.

In another thread someone hinted that others (what others besides those who were posting, for goodness sake?) who were left un-named were jaded and cyncical. Which tempts people to use retaliatory words like 'naive' and 'inexperienced.' But no one did that, out of respect to you and your opinions. And also, it wasn't worth it to be antagonistic.

But please don't take it personally. I didn't direct any of my comments to anyone personally, so I'm not responsible.

Now, let's all agree to disagree and love each other.

I'm really enjoying the sublime tan from L'Oreal, thanks pixie!

posted June 16, 2004 09:03 PM         

juniperb

posted June 16, 2004 09:56 PM         

I don't have any problem with anyone telling me that my views sound naive and inexperienced.

As Gloria also said in other threads, we are merely having a discussion here.

We trade words all of the time that mean lots of things to all of us, and words that even mean very different things to each one of us too.

I mean, what one thinks of as 'this,' is what one thinks of as 'that'....

It's an examination of views, a trading of ideas that goes onto the next level, and then goes onto the next level, and then goes onto the next level....

I learned a lot from that whole conversation we had in that thread which you mention, about balancing out my idealism with my pragmatism.

I don't want to shut somebody down and disbelieve them just because of who they are in the community, and just because of what they do for a living, etc....

but at the same time, I want to remember that I DON'T know them all that well either, and they ARE living in the midst of certain circumstances, etc.... too.

I need to combine that hopeful idealism with that pragmatic realism, and that can be difficult and hard to do sometimes.

But anyways, that point of view I had about anyone being jaded was just me expressing what I saw from my own vantage point in the fields of energy we all live in....

a vantage point that would probably just rate as naive from where you stand in the middle of all of them instead, I suppose.

No matter really, the truth of it, if it can ever be found, might only be somewhere in the middle of it all somewhere, I guess.

Jaded to naive and what is one and what is the other....

I am still not sure that I really know the answer to that one.

But of course, that never stops me from trying to define those terms as much as I possibly can over and over again though anyway, lol, because in a way, of course....

"When I see one quality, then I see the other quality."

Anyways, I am getting too off track here, but please just realize that I didn't mean any offense to anyone just because I talked about their views as possibly being jaded anyway.

That word wasn't meant to be an insult, just fodder for the discussion.

And sorry, but I don't wear makeup at all, so that shoots that particular discussion topic off of our list, lol.

I really prefer the whole natural look, and I always look at most women in before and after pics and feel that they really look better without their makeup on as the unadorned woman anyway.

To me, SOMETIMES, there's something 'fake feeling' about women when they wear TOO much makeup on their face, and I can't really say why that reaction happens to me.

But I know, some women like to 'jazz and glam it up' instead though, you know.

They really make it into quite an artistic adventure of expression for themselves with how excited they get over it.

I am just now sort of getting back into that state of mind via fashion at this point, but not make-up as of yet though.

I am not sure that wearing that much make-up will ever be too big of a thing with me....

personally, lol.

Personally Playful, hehe.

posted June 16, 2004 10:12 PM         

I just realized something, you know.

I was sitting here trying to think of why I get this more 'impersonal' attitude during posting sessions, when I really almost never have it on occasions that entail other things, and I'll bet that it has somehting to do with my MERCURY IN AQUARIUS.

Mercury is thought and communication, and I THINK that Aquas are known for impersonal debates and the like.

Plus, I have Sun Conjunct Mercury in my natal, and my Sun and Merc are BOTH in Aqua too.

Well, I am thinking that could explain it.

Who knows, but I certainly do develop a very detached, very debative, rather impersonal type of communication when I get on message boards like this one.

Playful

posted June 16, 2004 10:58 PM         

YOU'RE PRETTY AWESOME. DON'T YOU LISTEN TO ANYONE BUT YOUR OWN SELF. YOU DON'T HAVE TO PLAY DEFENSE EITHER. IF YOU WANT TO POST 100 TOPICS RELATED TO THINGS OTHER THAN HAIR AND MAKEUP AND BOYS, FIRE AWAY!!! AND IF YOU LEARN A LITTLE ABOUT YOURSELF AND LIFE IN THE MEANTIME, THEN MORE POWER TO YOU. YOU ROCK IT!!!!

posted June 16, 2004 11:59 PM         

Thanks for the kind words. I really appreciate them.

As for what makes me angry and why....

What a cool question!

I am not a person with any sort of basic angry disposition, just a passionate one who likes to be heard, lol.

But, if I had to pick something to start off with, I guess I would say it's anger at anyone who hurts something that can't defend itself, like children or animals, I suppose.

Why?

Well, that's obvious. Children and animals are the best of us, and so it's hard to see them hurt.

Mercury in Aquarius can be a weird thing to have. It turns me into an x-ray machine that wants to examine everything inside and out all of the time, lol.

But, I do get a funny sense of humor out of it a lot of the time though, although that side of me doesn't usually get exhibited in this part of the Net we call LL.

Playful

posted June 17, 2004 02:49 AM         

quote:

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I will say, in honor of balancing the scales to show that there are always two sides to every topic, I will also comment that I have seen you also react in sort of the same way to another poster's messages named tahariel ( is that their right name? ) where you told them that you felt they were coming off as condescending too.

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posted June 17, 2004 08:51 AM         

Where did you read anywhere within my words that I think that you are, how on Earth did you put it here, a....

'freak who likes to fight?'

I think lalalinda was totally right about people somehow taking words way too personally right now as she called it.

I tend to look at it like people seem to somehow be taking words way too intensely instead.

To me, it honestly feels like people are reading things into what I am saying that aren't really there.

I think all that I was trying to say by bringing up those points about tahriel was that you might seem to read posted words from a certain pre-disposed defensive stance sometimes, as if you might be sitting there looking for things that are just the least bit off base to you so that you can ride in on your white horse and come out swinging in defense of some principle you feel is being insulted by those said posted words.

And I was thinking that you might have more of a tendency to see certain comments and remarks that other people make about things to be 'offensive' just because you are already so 'on the defensive' while you read them.

And that is a point which you so eloquently went on to confirm for me yourself with your next sentences here as you indeed described yourself to be a defender right in your very own words anyway.

I just think that you have a bit of an over reaction to things just because you seem to feel that the poster is making what is a judgemental comment in your eyes.

I don't see a lot of people's comments as being judgemental so much as I seem to merely see them as just being observational instead.

That's how I feel message boards are supposed to be.

People come on them and talk about things they observe about all sorts of trends that they see out in society.

Sometimes that might lead someone into using an adjective that you obviously feel is too narrow minded or judgemental.

I read posts by women out on other message boards where they are saying things like, "I was even afraid to post this for fear of being offensive. I am still in my box, and now I'll go back into it...."

and that is so NOT me at all.

I mean, please let me explain to you about the difference that I feel exists between JUDGEMENT....

AND OBSERVATION.

I am not a racist or something, I don't just sit here and make comments about anyone without having ANY viable evidence to back them up, like a racist definitely does.

People that are racists make JUDGEMENTS about other people merely BASED ON ONLY THE RACE that they belong to, and that's it, right?

But by me coming here and making a comment that I find that some women are a little repetitive in what they seem to like to discuss in other places that I frequent, and I agree that I should have used a word like repetitive, and not vapid to describe it now....

is my own OBSERVATION BASED ON MANY, MANY POSTS that I have seen in certain places which always usually pertain to the same small line of subjects that they like to indulge in.

To me, THAT is the KEY DIFFERENCE that we are talking about here.

One is a JUDGEMENT which is being made about a person that is NOT actually based on anything that can be proven by their BEHAVIOR ALONE, but instead is a comment that is being made about them based on what people SURMISE OR ASSUME about them due to their skin color etc...., and to me also, these are comments which definitely fall under the umbrella of what I would call unfair.

The other things which I call OBSERVATIONS are comments about trends that I have perceived out here based on VISUAL EVIDENCE of multiple posts I have read that pertain to the same ideas, to the same ideas, to the same ideas, that women like to go on and on about ad nauseum....

There's an absolute difference between these two things called judgement and observation.

If people who write social commentary about trends that they OBSERVE out there sat and worried and wondered about 'oh my gosh, who is this going to happen to offend' before they put their fingers to their keyboards all of the time, then I have to believe that there would be VERY, VERY FEW, IF ANY social commentaries made through essay form indeed.

An essayist writes their observations from their own personal perspectives out here.

Sometimes, they might use words that rub someone else the wrong way a little bit.

But, that's a part of life.

I mean, I never, ever for one second looked at my comments about what I saw the women posting over and over again as being comments that were at all in the least unfair, not by my own definition anyway.

I mean, you say that I should have 'accountability to others for using a derogatory term to describe countless sisters.'

I have read essays written by other women that use the word 'vapid' and more 'quote unquote derogatory' words ALL OVER THE PLACE to describe other women AND men whom they have observed only merely through the media and the like, based on that author's research of the information that they have gathered about their subject matter of these other women and men.

Where on Earth is the serious moral difference between what they do in their books and what I do in my posts at all?

I honestly, frankly cannot see any substantial difference here.

I always observe the correct TIME AND PLACE for EVERYTHING.

That is a practice that I have made a vow to adhere to in my life.

I would NEVER, EVER post in on any of these message boards that I am talking about something like, 'Hey, it's been nice chatting with you, and by the way, I think your subject matter is kind of vapid and repetitive too. Have a great night and sleep tight.'

THOSE ARE COMMENTS THAT I WOULD CONSIDER TO BE MADE IN EXTREMELY POOR TASTE, DUE TO THE OBVIOUS INAPPROPRIATENESS OF THE TIME AND PLACE THAT I AM MAKING THESE COMMENTS AT OR IN.

But, for me to place my observations about them within a book or within another post on another board at a later date....

I would have to be out of my mind for me to think that me stating my observations about them in those places is somehow something to be avoided at all costs.

Critical essayists observe, critique, and then write.

That's the way we all think.

Do you really believe that someone like Howard Stern loses any sleep over the things he says about countless people that he's commented on during his own career as a broadcaster at all?

I highly, seriously doubt that.

I recall a conversation between himself and one of his radio guests where the guest remarked to him that....

"You are mean." ( or something like that anyway )

and Howard said in reply that, "I tell the truth."

So the guest replies to him, "But that's only your truth."

And Robin, his longtime co-host responds back to the guest that, "Well, who's truth is he supposed to tell about?"

And Elizabeth Wurtzel, one of my ALL TIME FAVE essayists and writers, made a comment that I love which goes like this....

"I never see the things I'm saying as so extreme. I think they're really obvious. I look at some other stuff and I think it's limp, or that the person is not saying what they mean, or they're not going all the way."

So, I don't think that any of my own favorite writers have ever had any serious regrets about what they have written either. .

And I don't believe that I will possess any serious regrets about anything which I write about at all either.

And about your other comment about how I try to 'take over threads and steer them' well....

have you ever watched Chris Matthews on HardBall sometime?

That man doesn't let his own guests get a word in edge-wise most shows, lol.

I can't hold a candle to the likes of him at all in the least.

Also, in addition, I have to say, I find it extremely intriguing and interesting that you are taking shots at me for my comments about mere social trends pertaining to 'countless sisters' whom you don't even know at all....

when that guy you used to pal around with in more than one thread named Carlo in this place made WAY MORE OBVIOUSLY AND OVERTLY insulting comments THAN VAPID OR REPETITIVE about THE VERY WOMEN WHO ARE RIGHT HERE than I could probably ever hope to make in my whole posting shelf life out here, lol.

I mean, he made those comments right to their very own keyboards, so to speak.

Isn't that why lioneye wanted the Democratic vote to boot him out of here, isn't it????

I mean that guy was a maniac compared to me or even just about anyone, save for maybe the likes of Howard Stern himself, lol.

He was out of control for God sake, he called me a 'dog that he had to beat down' or something like that.

I didn't go running about it to the Mod's and make a federal case about it though.

I only just laughed it off and said, 'oh geez, Carlo will be Carlo, I guess.'

Personally, I never took Carlo seriously in the least at all, and I honestly just found him to be quite funny instead.

But, apparently he has finally been given the boot out of here by the administration for some sort of further comments of his that have been deemed unacceptable anyway, right?

And yet, that day that we were all in that Janet thread together talking about nudity with each other, you and trillian were all over him talking about meeting in hot tubs with margaritas or something if I recall correctly....

while some of the other women here were I think still feeling kind of insulted by him and his remarks from other occasions along the way.

How you rationalize being ' buddy buddy' with Carlo....

when he took it upon himself to refer to lioneye as 'prude eye' and then referred to pidaua as some other DEROGATORY, ( one of your favorite words ), term or another, I can't recall what it was right now, all back in that open relationship thread....

as well as reading about the references he made to me as ' a dog which he had to beat down' ....

I have absolutely no idea.

I am pretty sure that you made a post where you stated your desire for him to stay around in spite of all of those DIRECT INSULTS TO FELLOW POSTERS HERE in lioneye's 'do we boot him thread?' too.

And yet, you honestly have issues with ME 'making derogatory comments about countless sisters' whom you don't even know somewhere out there????

Please give me a break.

Or at least please do hand me an aspirin for my headache right now, lol.

Carlo was one of the most out of control, judgemental guys pertaining to women whom I have ever seen, whether online or in real life at all, but yet....

I actually think that if he were still allowed to post here, he might be someone who really 'gets' the differences between the terms of judgement and observation as I am explaining them to be right now.

I saw him quote those words, "I may not agree with what you are saying, but I'll fight to the death for your right to say it"
more than once, I believe.

Based on those sentiments of his, I would have to assume that he is someone who believes in critical essays and critiques that are all within the boundaries of free speech himself.

So, I don't honestly really think that I need to be given any particular 'heads up' from you that tells me just when I may or when I may not be posting some sort of over the top judgemental commentary....

merely because I make some of what may possibly be a little bit of at least fairly astute observations about the frequent types of posts that my 'countless sisters' make out here in cyberspace, for God sake.

But hey, if you need to get up and ride a white horse every once in awhile to fulfill your dormant desire to be a lawyer, then by all means, I will be happy to be your 'whipping girl' for that desire of yours, I guess.

I seem to do it so well, and when the shoe fits, I will indeed wear it.

But it kind of has to be sort of a small shoe since I am a Fish Moon who it seems has apparently been blessed with some small feet out here on account of that particular placement however though, lol.

Yours Truly,
Playful