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Author Topic:   " Where are we going?.....and why are we in this handbasket?"
Xelena Ben
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posted June 25, 2004 04:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xelena Ben     Edit/Delete Message
okay, maven, that makes sense. i tend to crawl into a shell when my world is down, as a form of self-protection. that way i don't have to listen to anyone tell me it's all going to be alright

if there's anything you want to talk about we're pretty good here at LL at brainstorming - or just listening to where you are on your path.

xb

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LibraSparkle
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posted June 25, 2004 05:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LibraSparkle     Edit/Delete Message
26T ... you've made me want a bumper sticker that says, "Where are we going, and why are we in a handbasket?"

Great string. Lots of loving wonderful thoughts and people here.

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maven
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posted June 25, 2004 10:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for maven     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you so much Xelena for your kind words.They are very much apperciated and all of the people I have met here so far have been truly lovely.SO I am definately blessed to come acrost this place on my path.
I am just having a rough two years.The man I loved died of a heroin od on my birthday two years ago but that is really the least of my worries.ALthough it has devestated me on many,many levels.
The problem I am having is with my family.My parents are still together and I have a sister who is 27, a year younger than me.My father is terminally ill and I help to care for him in my parent's home whereas I own my own buisness and stay at home with my son,and this allows my mom to continue working so they won't lose their house.Last fall my dad got very ill and we called hospice in.I actually moved in with them for about 4 months ( I am married with my own family so this was difficult) after we called hospice in.Luckily they found out his adverse reactions were due to a crossing of meds (I figured it out actually) and he is slowly regaining some strength again and his speech.During this time my sis was engaged to a man I adored.They got in a fight..she went out and got drunk and had a one night stand which resulted in pregnancy.She had her own house and job so I figured it wouldn't be too bad but my sis is just so irresponsible..this makes her second unplanned pregnancy (she lost the first in the second month 2 years ago).I don't like airing my family's dirty laundry but really I have had it.My therapist said to cut my family off totally but I love my dad too much.My mom my whole life has beat the crap out of me while she never laid a hand on my sis.I moved out when I was 18 and put myself thru school and eventually got married and have a family of my own.My sis 3 months ago decided she just didn't like her job anymore so she quit.My parents have been paying all her bills and they only have one income with my dad being ill.And my sis doesn't care.Me and my husband asked if we could adopt the baby because we can't have any more and we support adoption more anyhow and she told us nmo..the baby was all hers.*sighs*So tonight I go over there to take my dad a homemade birthday cake that me and my son made for him because today is his birthday and my family has been so busy with my sis's baby which was born last saturday that they forgot.My sis starts screaming at me that she thinks I am wearing her shirt (I am she gave it to me...she outgrew it) and that I need to take it off now.Not wanting a fight I go to my car grab a shirt out of my trunk and take this one off.I toss it to her when I get back inside and it accidently hits her in the face.She jumps up..calls me a b*tch,and punches me.And then my mom joins in..all while my husband,dad,and 4 year old son are watching.I told them if they didn't stop I would call the cops.They kept at it and my hubby finally pulled me away.I never did lay a hand on them.I however have scratched all up and down my arms.
I am just sitting here shaking I am so upset.My family is so awful.I went to my sis's house the day she came home (after staying with my dad for three days while my mom was in the hospital with her..I cleaned her house and bought groceries there too),and I cleaned her whole house and put together all the baby stuff (playpen,bouncy seat,ect..).Did she say thank you?Nope.She accused me of stealking a pair of her jeans.She is 2 sizes bigger then me I couldn't wear them if I wanted to!I am so upset about all of this.I know I am a very good person with a kind heart but these people are so toxic and abusive.If I didn't love my dad so much I would never even go over there.has anyone got any advice that can calm my nerves?Thanks so much for listening...Blessings......a sad maven

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26taurus
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posted June 26, 2004 03:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message

My God maven. Unbelievably my one of my close friends died of a heroin overdose - on my birthday also! We had grown apart, I did everything I could for him, even after I caught him stealing from me to support his drug habit. I knew he was in pain. Then I found out he died, on my birthday. What a karmic relationship we had, I can't even begin to describe. I tried to help. It's tragic. He was a beautiful soul, I miss him dearly. My brother is also a drug addict. It absolutely kills me that I can't make him change. My little brother, my baby. And there's nothing I can do, beleive me I've tried everything.

This is a major lesson for me to learn in this life. That each is on their own path, and as much as we want to we can't make them change.

I'm not sure what to say to you, that won't sound like things everyone has probably already told you before. Except I understand and it hurts.

Light and Love to you,

26taurus

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Special
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posted June 26, 2004 11:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Special     Edit/Delete Message
I'm sorry to hear about how difficult things have been for you, maven.

I can only say, I can relate, I really can, I'm sorry I can't got into it now for you, but it is the worst things that help you grow. Sometimes I've thought the '29' in my date of birth has been more than significant. However with reaching out, self learning, and forgiveness, the definition of 29 in star signs becomes true - this is for everyone, not just entities with the 29 vibration of course. It is strange how LL seems to bring out reality and similar experiences and so good that we can share, hurt, heal and grow together.

As 26t mentions lessons (26- ) this is true to you, and has been for me. However, when the scars are healing from the last battle, go within yourself and see it for what it is. Don't let people blame you.. carrying baggage is so very hard when you're trying to heal I am grateful to my greatest teachers for making me see

I'm thinking of you maven it makes me sad since I feel your pain, on the level I understand anyhow.

You'll be fine because you're here - I mean that in more ways than one

With love and hope
Sp

Come visit the 'Happy' page on Global Unity,
*Irish accent* "Come visit Happy Land.. all I'll charge ya is a smile.."

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"In the province of the mind, what one believes to be true either is true or becomes true." John Lilly

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maven
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posted June 26, 2004 03:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for maven     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you to everyone for their kind words.
My family called this morning at 7 am.They told my hubby that my sis had been admitted to the hospital for a 103 fever and infection.Then they hung up.
I called my dad to see if he was going to be okay.He blamed me for my sister's hospital visit....saying I am only causing trouble whever I go.As much as it broke my heart..I told him this is the last time I would be talking to him..that no one deserved to be abused in the way I have my whole life.He hung up on me after calling me delusional.The past two years of my life has been hell.I have lost a good 5 people in the past 2 years alone.It seems the people you love and learn from the most get taken from you.And that sucks.Big time.
The funny thing is that if you ask anyone that knows me..I always have a sunny outlook.You have to or you will crumble up and die.There is no choice in the matter.
I asked my father why I was born into this world.He said "to take pain".I would like to prove him wrong some day.
Thanks for everyone's support.WE have way too many people dying in their own beds from drugs..it sickens me.Wish there was someone to stop the madness.Too many people are in pain.
Many Blessings....maven

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LibraSparkle
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posted June 26, 2004 03:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LibraSparkle     Edit/Delete Message
I'm a 29th baby too. When I read the discription of 29 in Star Signs, I was blown away.

Anyone who has read most of my posts... especially the ones about my childhood knows that I haven't had an easy time about life.

29...

Grace Under Pressure

quote:

The number 29 is a number of perhaps the heaviest Karma of all. It tests the person or entity it represtnts for spiritual strength, through trials and tribulations echoing the Old Testament story of Job. The life is filled with uncertanties, treachery and deception from others, unreliable friends, unexpected dangers -- and considerable grief and anxiety caused by members of the opposite sex. It's a number of grave warnings in every area of personal life and career. When 29 is the Compound Key Number in the name, it's obvious that the spelling of the name should be changed to lifet this difficult vibration, unless one is a masochist.

If 29 is the birth number, and thereby unaboidable, conscious effort must be made to dilute and eventually negate, neutralize, or erase this karmic burden. It can, to a great extent, be eased by choosing a new name (or spelling) with a strong positive Compound Key Number. Further than this, the person born on the 29th day of any month should do everything advised in Chapter 4 concerning Karma and reincarnation.

In the specific instance of the 29 vibration (bringing with it also the secondary vibration of 11, which should also be read regarding the way to relieve the karmic burden)-- remember that the development of absolute faith in goodness and the power of the Self... the constant and energetic cultivation of optimism... will act as a miraculous medicine for the problems of the number 29.

After all, Job's burdens were finally lifted, when he had learned to accept full responsibility for his troubles, and not to blame others or seek revenge for the hurts he suffered. Not only did his long bad-luck streak end at last, he was given back everything he'd lost, several times over. So, if you were born on the 29th, change the vibration of your name to a powerful number, such as 19, follow Job's example, and soon you'll be as happy as -- or happier than-- anyone else. Interestingly, the name "job" equals the powerful compound number 10 -- a difficult vibration to defeat.


My name (Danielle) is 27/9. From my reading, it seems I will be okay with this name. 27's a fortunate number of courage and power with a touch of enchantment, according to Linda.

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ariestiger
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posted June 26, 2004 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariestiger     Edit/Delete Message
God, Maven! Why do you BOTHER with your family? You seem to have done way too much for them!!! Your sister also sounds completely spoilt.
If you can, make a clean break with them - I wouldn't say this to everybody and I know it's easier said than done - I know, I've been there - but you NEED to get away from them, you need your own space to be YOU and build YOUR self-confidence, and also find some sense of PEACE. I loved my parents too, at one time, but it was impossible for us to communicate, be in the same room together, without being at one another's throat. They used to beat me too. Some people are just like that. But you can't let it ruin YOUR life.

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trillian
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posted June 26, 2004 06:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message
An for maven, and all the other knowflakes in need.

You will have to cut loose of your family to achieve any kind of peace of mind.

Believe me. Family is not defined by blood.


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juniperb
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posted June 26, 2004 06:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message
Amen and Awomen Trillian

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If having a soul means being able to feel love and loyalty and gratitude, then animals are better off than a lot of humans. ~James Herriot

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Yin
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posted June 26, 2004 07:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yin     Edit/Delete Message
Maven, I'm never good at comforting people.
And there is the fear that I won't be actually, truly helping.

But your story touched me. Really, really deep. I can't relate to the abuse that you grew up taking. I can't relate to your family situation.

But after we chatted yesterday I somehow feel close to you, like we were meant to meet up and talk about what we talked.

You surround yourself with toxic people because you have not yet learned your karmic lessons.

Just know that you have friends here at LindaLand with much more words than I have at the moment to help go through this and give you all the moral support you need.

When you're ready you will find the way out of this desperate situation. But it is only you that will know the exact moment and the exact actions needed to be taken.

We are here only to give you a different perspective of what you already know and can do. When you are ready.

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Special
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posted June 26, 2004 11:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Special     Edit/Delete Message
Maven, I have a similar situation with my father. I agree having a sunny outlook is the best. I'm sorry to hear about your sister.. As with blame, it's awful and I'm sorry you've had that put on you I keep you in my thoughts, because it won't be like it forever

LibraSparkle, I have the same no.s as you, 29/11 and my name adds to 27.. so much I wanna post here too but have to come back tomorrow now. Until then

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maven
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posted June 28, 2004 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for maven     Edit/Delete Message
I thank you all for your kind words and support.I realise now thatperhaps I went a bit overboard by airing myself in this forum.I usually do not share with people that I really don't know so I am sorry if my message seemed filled with such negativity.
As far as karmic lessons go..I have and am still learning them.I do not surrond myself with toxic people..the people in question are my family so how could you not be around them?I choose before I was even born on this earth to incarnate as someone who helps...regardless of the person in question.In my life contract I accepted that position,and with it I accepted to consequences and the pain.I agreed to play my victim with my family because it was their turn to learn some karmic lessons of their own.I may not like the hand I have been dealt sometimes but I always have constant understanding that this Path was one I chose..and I alone chose.
As far as my sister they diagnosed her with cardiomyopathy..a heart condition where the left part of her heart wall has hardened.They found blood clots in her ovaries as well.They brought her home today.All weekend I took care of her house and pets as well as my parents house and my dad.SOme people would say what is wrong with you..why do you even associate with those people?When they do I just smile because I know this is a part of my plan...a plan that I chose for myself and right now my family needs me,regardless if they are jerks or not.I do have the right to tell them their behavior is not okay and I will continue to walk out whenever I feel threatened or mistreated.I am thankful I had the chance to air my concerns here and I am also greatful for the wonderful outpouring of thought and love.How does that old adage go..what doesn't kill you makes you stronger?Very well put.Many Blessings....maven

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juniperb
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posted June 28, 2004 07:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message
God/dess bless you maven

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If having a soul means being able to feel love and loyalty and gratitude, then animals are better off than a lot of humans. ~James Herriot

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TINK
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posted June 28, 2004 07:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TINK     Edit/Delete Message
maven, you are a wise woman. And for what it's worth, you have my deep respect.

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posted June 28, 2004 08:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Special     Edit/Delete Message
Maven, don't regret airing your feelings. I grateful you did because in way you're a voice for people who have similar situations. Unfortunately I cannot post all of mine but am happy to share with you - as with the other Knowflakes, if you choose to mail me. You can, if it helps; chiligirlthefirst@yahoo.co.uk

I'm sorry to hear about your sister

I wish you continued clarity cos you're coming at obstacles from the heart

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Xelena Ben
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posted June 29, 2004 11:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xelena Ben     Edit/Delete Message
from many posts here at lindaland i get the impression that a lot of us know-flakes were plopped down in less-than-perfect families to be the balancers.

but maven, i echo good ol' ariestiger in that you also have to learn to build your own boundries. are you truly working from a place of love and acceptance, or do you coddle your family to make them look like hypocrites - so you can say, oh, poor me, they treat me like crap and i'm so good to them? i know this is blunt and probably sounds hurtful (aries moon - sorry), but i've seen it many times and it's SOOOOOO damaging to the person who takes on this martyr role. and you may be doing no such thing. but just in case, please be sure to protect yourself. you'll be no good to your own family if your birth family drains all your energy. and like trill said, blood doesn't make a family, just like sperm doesn't make a dad.

maybe your karmic lesson is to leave the negativity behind, rather than validate its use.

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maven
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posted June 29, 2004 02:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for maven     Edit/Delete Message
I think in order to use negativity constructively you have to validate that it exists at all.I am no martyr and I do not play the "poor me " fiddle in this lifetime.I felt I had a safe place to air my feelings..however hard they might be for some to understand.What you have is a mere snapshot of me,my feelings,and my family..not the whole picture.I do not surrond myself with negativity but the idea that you should not at all is unrealistic.It is everywhere in today's society so we have a choice as to how to react to such situations.Right now I am not playing into the martyr role..I am holding my family together which is a totally respectable thing to do.Someone else may choose to go a different route but again...it all lies in choice.And the choice can sometimes make all the difference.Thank you though for your thoughts and opinions.Many Blessings....maven

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Xelena Ben
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posted June 29, 2004 05:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xelena Ben     Edit/Delete Message
hey maven,

good to hear from you again. sorry if you thought i was implying you were a "poor me" - just trying to understand where you're coming from, as before. i hold my family together also - have for years - so i empathize with your situation, and i guess that's why i replied in the first place. some people do need to walk away, others can handle it - it seems like you know yourself extremely well. that's a huge strength in itself.

and i agree that negativity is all around us - and we can only control how we react to it.

i look forward to talking with you some more.

xb

p.s. how's your sister doing?

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maven
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posted June 30, 2004 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for maven     Edit/Delete Message
No worries..I totally understand.Thanks for asking about my sis...she and the baby are doing fine.I take her to her check up tomorrow to see how her heart is coming along.So hopefully..good news.I have been helping with the baby alot so she can get some rest.Not like I mind my cute,adorable nephew!! We can't have any more kids so having him around sure has been a blessing!And the best part? I can send this one home! Many Blessings....maven

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