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Topic: " Where are we going?.....and why are we in this handbasket?"
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26taurus Knowflake Posts: 13411 From: * Registered: Jun 2004
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posted June 23, 2004 03:44 AM
Is humanity headed for self - destruction? This has been on my mind more often lately. And hearing the news of this second beheading of another human being, has really affected me. I can't stop thinking - What in the hell is going on with this world? How can someone do this to another human being. I know - evil things are happening on this planet all the time. But, when's it gonna give? What has to happen before we all WAKE UP? Is it too late? I know we all have free-will and choices. But it feels like humanity as a whole has made them, and there's no turning back now, we will soon have to face the concequences of our choices. I think things will be getting alot worse before they get any better. I had something mind blowing happen to me today. I was waiting for the local bus, still thinking these thoughts, and being really bothered by them. The bus arrived and I sat down behind an older gentleman, and as it starts to take off, he says to the bus driver, "You know, people don't realize the weird times we are in today. It's not good. And things will be getting much worse, alot of people can't seem to see this." Holy $#&*! I thought, He just read my mind! YES! YES! I agree. Tell me what you know! I wanted to scream out - but I did'nt. It was like my mouth was glued shut. The bus driver seemed confused, and did'nt reply. And since I seemed to have lost my voice at the moment, what would have probably been an incredible conversation ended there. Maybe I've read to many doomsday prophesies or something. I don't know why this has been bothering me more often lately. I've got to do some meditating. It just kills me inside when I think of all this madness going on in the world. Why can't we love one another? Will this ever happen? Will people ever wake up and realize we are really all ONE? That there is only GOD (or whatever you prefer to call him), and he is within each of us. And when you do something to hurt yourself or another you are hurting us all? Why is this so hard to grasp? This materialistic and ego centered mindset among a large portion of the population has got to go. I am deeply saddend by recent world events. It really cuts me deep down to the core. I know alot of you here feel it too. I am not directing this to anyone here, so please don't take it personally. I think alot of you might relate to the things I'm saying. I do, also see the beautiful things that happen constantly amidst my life and the world around me everyday. I pray for the good of everyone on this planet, and our future as a human race. Ultimately I have faith that things will be even better than we could imagine. Although we may have to go through rough times before we get there. I look forward to hearing from the many intelligent and insightful people in this forum. Tell me we're going to be okay. Guess I'm just having one of those days. I've got to meditate and try to get centered again. (it's a never ending process ) trying to "be the change I wish to see in the world" 26 IP: Logged |
Special Knowflake Posts: 421 From: Another timezone Registered: May 2004
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posted June 23, 2004 05:57 AM
26 - you just voiced what's bothering me deeply with how souls treat each other.I saw the beheading's on the news last night (beheadings have always bothered me so made it worse) and it really bothers me. This morning, weeping pictures of Kim Sun-il's parent's were shown. THE GRIEF. I mean, are we going into a dark 'medieval phase' and going full circle? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/3831553.stm Situations such as 'need to believe's' really bother me since I want to help so much. I stayed at work for ages last night pondering on that and felt helpless since I could do was update a posting in Free-For-All. I believe everything is ONE. Recently - more so than before.. I've tried to extend my love to people I don't know - see them as souls that are infinitly part of one another. Show compassion when I can because I want to. I thank the stars since the iron in our blood came from them! The greenery since I'm grateful of the fresh air, and rain! I am tiring of some shallowness I see day to day, frustrating how quick we are to judge others - I say frustrating because I am guilty of it, but am aware of it too. Maybe there is another reason why I came to live in central London, since many issues seem to be amplified here - sometimes too much for a sensitive soul! This week has been strange, since it's developed a 'calling' for me at last. Maybe my horoscope in 'Summer Solistice' was right when it said the Universe would show me what it is I should be doing. Recently, I've been placed in more situations where I'm shown humanity's need. Newspapers I've found like 'Positive News' (Global Unity forum) have parts which show me how I can help. Maybe it is time for me to start to develop my real Labour of Love. As many of you have said - we can cure any disease, but with much hard work, so 26, I know we can do it with enough LOVE.. just need more closet hippies, eh?! Thanks for posting 26, you passion really came through ------------------ "Be humble for you are made of earth. Be noble for you are made of stars." Serbian proverb IP: Logged |
pixelpixie Knowflake Posts: 5301 From: Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 2005
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posted June 23, 2004 09:08 AM
You know what? I know. I feel this too. There is nothing more I can really say about this, but as this site is testament, there are people who feel the same way, there are people who care. Even random strangers who jive wih your thoughts. Sometimes the darkness has to overwhelm the light in order to guage just how much light needs to be shone. I trust that on the majority, the people living here amoung us, when push comes to shove, will help each other. I have nothing profound to say. My words don't feel propelled by another force. I have no deep need to share insights, but I do know and have faith that we are all one.. facets of one in all our endless manifestations. Including the shadows. Ah... I just wanted to say, I feel as vomitous as you when I hear about these horrid and inhumane beheadings. It is a horro movie come to life, and I cannot fathom how one could do this. The details always pop in my mind, though I wish they wouldn't.. the horrendous feeling that must be. It makes me sick. Literally. But still, in light of these things happening, though so far removed from my mundane realities...... I have faith.IP: Logged |
Special Knowflake Posts: 421 From: Another timezone Registered: May 2004
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posted June 23, 2004 09:15 AM
Heeeey pix.. that was beautiful You've really gotta way with words honey, just read 'Health and Healing' IP: Logged |
trillian Knowflake Posts: 4050 From: The Boundless Registered: Mar 2003
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posted June 23, 2004 09:32 AM
Of course we'll be ok. Even if we foolishly blow up the world tomorrow, we'll be ok.Our lifetime is witness to brutal beheadings, but I assure you, it is nothing unique to our history. Was it so long ago that we were witness to genocide in gas chambers? In the Yin and Yang of Life all things will balance. As there is beauty, so there is ugliness. Your heart is gentle, 26T, nurture it. Be aware that all that is, was created by The Loving Creator of All That Is, and as such, is worthy of its existence. I would not encourage the darker side of life. I avoid it. But I know it is here, and I also know that ordinary people are capable of great ugliness in extraordinary circumstances. Peace...I leave you with these powerful thoughts from over a century ago: "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times; it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness; it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity; it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness; it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair; we had everything before us, we had nothing before us; we were all going directly to Heaven, we were all going the other way." -- Charles Dickens (1812-70)
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Xelena Ben Knowflake Posts: 263 From: New England Registered: Jun 2002
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posted June 23, 2004 09:59 AM
thanks, trill, for the Dickens quote i had dinner with my 83-year-old grandmother last week, and after hearing my grandfather and i talk politics all evening she told me not to worry too much, "this too shall pass." i guess they've been through four wars now, so their perspective is a bit broader than mine. if vibrations are quickening, as we've talked about elsewhere on this board, then perhaps the dark is being "outed" at a higher rate - so we can see it and fill those voids and hate-filled places with love and compassion. you know how a whole city can have a bad day? it's so easy to get caught up in it and get angry, too, but trying to counterbalance the short fuses also works wonders. we're all so superconnected now - we don't just hear second-hand or read about other people's pains and plights - we SEE them and HEAR them and it goes right to our core. it makes it hard to stay positive and centered. for me that's one reason i come back to LL again and again - to gain strength from the beautiful souls who shine through these black squiggles. i guess, taurus, i think we've always been headed for destruction - it's part of our collective and individual lessons to be learned here on earth. but it's not for everyone, and if not for the dark we wouldn't know the light. take heart and just do what you can do in your own little peice of the world - no matter how big or small it may be. and in relation to our common waitressing traumas, here's an article i read awhile ago that i'm still mulling over: http://www.ofspirit.com/johnizzo1.htm xb p.s. i don't watch TV and i find that getting my news (from varuious sources) on-line helps keep me protected from direct emotional reaction/trauma/manipulation. works well for me. IP: Logged |
seeshells Knowflake Posts: 98 From: Registered: Jul 2003
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posted June 23, 2004 12:22 PM
Thank you for starting this post. It is nice to see that I am not the only one struggling with this. It is also great to know that others send light, love and healing to the universe and all that are in it. I know there isn't much I can do from my little corner of the world, except send out good thoughts, and pray for others, along with helping where I can. Trying to understand what is taking place is hard. As Pixel said "Sometimes the darkness has to overwhelm the light in order to guage just how much light needs to be shone." It makes me feel that I should continue to send out good and focus on the positive things. That I alone may not being doing all that much, but with all of the others sending out good vibes as well we are sheding light on that darkness. Blessings All. SueIP: Logged |
maven Knowflake Posts: 94 From: Rennes-le-Chateau Registered: May 2004
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posted June 23, 2004 12:43 PM
I have to put my ten cents in here.What everyone has said is truly remarkable and beautiful.It is nice to know one is not alone in this sad state of Grace our world has come to embrace. However I would like to point out that in order to fight the Darkness...one has to come to embrace it.You cannot fight something you know nothing about.For most of us who live compassionate filled lifestyles such a notion is terrifying.And it is.But if we don't shine light on all our demons the sad fact is that they will come to haunt us and in some cases..conquer.It is petrifying to think of those negatives that affect us..the darkness that lurks within us all.No man or woman can escape it because with out it..we would have no balance.Where there is black there is white,right/wrong/,Light/Darkness.So in order to fill the void with pure Love and Light we must first acknowledge the Darker side of things.I am certainly not implying that you take ownership in it but we all have to admit that all of us have skeletons in our closet...and most of them we are not even able to recognise as skeletons until by Divineness we are shown them.Embrace them.Embrace your negative actions and thoughts because ultimately they are a part of you.You do not have to claim them just acknowledge that they may float right through your life and you are a better person for whatever experiences they may have caused..even the negative ones.Right now everyone seems to be feeling some sort of vibrational shift in the paradigm.It makes people nervous,uneasy,and afraid..myself included.You can sense it on the horizon and I believe there is no stopping it.One cannot have Order without Chaos.All we can do is love and remit constant acts of compassion.And wait.And be thankful for the experience.Many Blessings..there are some truly wonderful and talented people here that I have met....mavenOrdo Ab Chao ------------------ "I am an enigma,wrapped up in a mystery,shrouded by lies" IP: Logged |
Special Knowflake Posts: 421 From: Another timezone Registered: May 2004
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posted June 23, 2004 12:45 PM
Welcome Sue! Good to hear from you. Indeed the souls here have done much for me, in terms of support, love and knowledge! Trillian and Xelena, I hear ya! Not one thing is untrue, as per. Gotta make tracks homeward now, may log in later to the chatroom - lots to chat about on this thread! Bye for now ------------------ "Be humble for you are made of earth. Be noble for you are made of stars." Serbian proverb IP: Logged |
Special Knowflake Posts: 421 From: Another timezone Registered: May 2004
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posted June 23, 2004 12:53 PM
Oh and welcome Maven! Good to hear from newish people!I agree with you on embracing negative actions - exactly what I was trying to explain to someone outside of LL actually - to conquer the darkness, you have to understand it, and the solutions stem from forgiveness and of course love Lovely to meet you, must log off now but catch you later. BTW what does "Ordo Ab Chao" mean? ------------------ "Be humble for you are made of earth. Be noble for you are made of stars." Serbian proverb IP: Logged |
maven Knowflake Posts: 94 From: Rennes-le-Chateau Registered: May 2004
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posted June 23, 2004 01:06 PM
Order from Chaos. It can also mean order out of chaos.The phrase is latin.It stems back fromm the Old Creation myth that Order was the male Godhead and that Chaos was his feminine aspect.Both were equal parts of a Divine split....both halves created the Balance.May I recommend to those who are interested in such a phrase to do a little research on the Rennes-le-Chateau in France.What you may discover could indeed help those along their paths.If not the story to say the least is a fascinating one.Sorry for all the info but I am a theologist of sorts and I study all religions and creation myths.Another phrase that has supreme signifigance (and is also related to the Rennes legacy) is "En Arcadia.......Ego". Have fun reading..I won't cheat on this one and tell you what it means. Blessings (and nice to meet you too! ).....maven------------------ "I am an enigma,wrapped up in a mystery,shrouded by lies" IP: Logged |
26taurus Knowflake Posts: 13411 From: * Registered: Jun 2004
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posted June 23, 2004 03:06 PM
I have so much enjoyed reading all of your beautiful thoughts. Thank you.Special, you are such a positve person, a really old soul. Ha! Ha!" I have been called a "hippie", "tree-hugger" many times. That's okay, I am, I guess. My friends are those people you see with dreadlocks and tie-dies. And I LOVE Bob Dylan and Joni Mitchell. I really love reading your posts and think you have much love that you should share with the world. pixel, I knew you would be able to relate. The darkness can be overwhelming, we must keep our faith. and Trillian, you're so wise. Deep down I know we will be alright, thanks for the reassurance. So true, about the balance of opposites. Where there is light, there has to be dark. Do you think this balance is always even? Or does it fluctuate from one side to the other? Thank you for that poweful quote. XelenaBen, beatiful post, I also believe our vibrations are quickening. Very true that we are all so super connected now. Everyday I'm finding more and more just how true this really is. Through "coincedences", synchronicities, psychic experiences. Also thank you for that wonderful link. I take it you read my rant in the Astrology forum (how we get angry/calm down). I really enjoyed that story. I am trying my best everyday to "fall in love with my work". I've come to notice when I get the types of people that don't look me in the eye or bark out orders at me, I send them loving energy, and continue to be nice to them (or try to, most of the time) They in turn, sometimes seem more annoyed, but eventually they always "crack". And start to soften up, and I can see something has changed in thier eyes. Like they realize there's no reason to be treating me the way they are, and they feel bad, and begin to be nice. I feel I have made differences in many of the people I've served lives. And they have also taught me many lessons about myself, and on being compassionate, patient, not taking things personally. I don't know what is going on in their lives, so I try to be as nice to people as possible. Treat them how I would like to be treated. I really enjoyed that article. Thank you. Yes, that's all we can do seeshells - send out positive energy. And we know whatever we send out always comes back. And what we are sending "out" we are also sending "in". Great thoughts Maven, I agree. I beleive that the more you try to deny something - thoughts, feelings. The more power you are giving it - the more it stares you right in the face. We must immerse ourselves in the negative and positive that overwhem us. Not try to push them away, because they will come back until the lesson is learned. There is always much to be learned from these feelings. Thank you all, you don't know how much you all help me, time and again. "Come gather round people wherever you roam And admit that the waters around you have grown And accept it that soon you'll be drenched to the bone If your time to you is worth saving Then you'd better start swimming or you'll sink like a stone For the times, they are a changing" --Bob Dylan
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maven Knowflake Posts: 94 From: Rennes-le-Chateau Registered: May 2004
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posted June 23, 2004 03:19 PM
Sadly it seems I get stared in the face more than I would like to.I know they are no mistakes made..but what if thoughts invade your every action and you cannot escape them? If anyone has an answer other than "have faith" or "it will all work out in the end" I would much appreciate it. You try so hard not to be negative..but some days folks..you can't escape it and I suppose there is a lesson in that too.Many Blessings.....maven ------------------ "I am an enigma,wrapped up in a mystery,shrouded by lies" IP: Logged |
Yang Knowflake Posts: 2296 From: A temporary home Registered: May 2004
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posted June 23, 2004 07:14 PM
About the beheadings,I wonder how long it will carry on for?I suppose until something big happpens to counter-act the beheadings.IP: Logged |
pixelpixie Knowflake Posts: 5301 From: Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 2005
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posted June 23, 2004 09:06 PM
An undercurrent of tragedies, that logically happen every day somewhere, are totally at the forefront of my consciousness lately. Thank God/dess Juni's nephew is okay. Things like that make me feel so sad and sick. Today, I am sick with the flu.. it is horrible and has my brain in a melancholy fog. My husband came home from work ( I was napping) and told me that a local woman was paying for gas at a gas station, and her two year old hid on her, as two year olds do.... the tragedy is that he hid behind a big rig truck's wheels, and the truck ran over him as it left the station. Such sad sad *sob* horrible things happen. What is the point of this tragedy? It isn't anyone's fault.. can you imagine how the truck driver feels? The Mother? Anyone witness to this? The child was just being a silly, playful toddler. I am struck by these things even more clearly becasue I am a mommy, though I know it is a Universal feeling of horror. But I replace that child's face with a picture of my own children,that I care deeply for and nurtured in my body and with my milk and with all my failings, limitations and also tenderness, and I cry for any mother who has lost a child. Whether through beheadings *sob* or painful tragic accidents. I weep for the sickness that permeates the world intentionally.. Accidents are bad enough. The fog of sad follows everything and infuses it all with grey. Then tomorrow happens, the sun shines, and my daughter and I have a good loving day together.... okay, with a few butted heads as well. I feel I can never be good enough or strong enough or love enough. Though these mothers would give all their strength to have one more day with their beloved children. It puts all the simple things into perspective. Love each other. Treat each other with respect. Donot impose your anger on another too much. we all have anger, but all deal with it differently. I want to give up sme days. I can't handle a little girl as strong willed as I am.. my mother's advice to me when I asked how she handled me? "You are lucky you're alive." I gave her a crooked smile. Being strong willed does nothing when you are a toddler and child, against the world and learning. But makes a huge difference when you are an adult who MUST stand up for herself in this uncertain world. If we can just get through these years with mostly cuddles and love and a worthwhile try, I hope she knows how I adore her. Somedays I just don't know... and then tragedy strikes, and I am so grateful to her presence.. yet so fearful that I just am not designed for this. Guilt is so typical of loving, I think.I am just sad and venting, I trust my fellow loving knowflakes can sympathise or at least hear me...... I ope you all cherish what is important. SEnd some light up to the world and all those sad people who don't know any better ( including myself sometimes) IP: Logged |
26taurus Knowflake Posts: 13411 From: * Registered: Jun 2004
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posted June 24, 2004 03:55 AM
Hi Maven, I totally relate to "thoughts invading your every action" I don't have an answer other than "have faith" and the only real thing is LOVE. I wish I had more answers also. The battle with trying your best not to act or think negatively is never ending, I know.Yang, I don't know what has to happen before these beheadings stop. So disheartening. Pix, My God. What a tragic story. Hearbreaking. I can't begin to imagine what the mother is going through, and all others invloved. Makes us count our blessings and appreciate everyone and everything in our lives. You are such a sensitive, intelligent and beautiful soul. With all of the love and caring I can feel out of what you write - I am sure your chidren know they are loved, and I know you are doing a superb job. It's so easy to get down on ourselves sometimes and feel overwhelmed by thoughts and feelings. Life is scary sometimes for those who feel so deeply. I symathize with you, my friend. Healing light to you and your flu get well soon IP: Logged |
paras Knowflake Posts: 1660 From: the Heart of It All Registered: May 2004
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posted June 24, 2004 05:07 AM
"The race of humans had felt its own dormancy, sensed itself grown stale and knew now only the need to experience turmoil in which the genes would mingle and the strong new mixtures survive." -- Frank Herbert, DuneComplacency, in a word. Unconsciously we need a crisis, a catastrophe, a disaster. Then we will "wake up". All we can do is be ready for it. IP: Logged |
Xelena Ben Knowflake Posts: 263 From: New England Registered: Jun 2002
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posted June 24, 2004 09:07 AM
oh, pix what a horrid thing - it does seem senseless... and cruel. my heart goes out to you (i hope the flu is abating) and that poor mom. she has a long road in front of her love and light to you, love...hey there, maven. i'm glad you brought up the shadow. there's been a lot of work done, but we still have such a strong resistance to darkness - perhaps rightly so. i think you expressed the dichotomy of acknowledging the dark without letting it become the self in a lovely way. could you clarify your question for me? (If anyone has an answer other than "have faith" or "it will all work out in the end" I would much appreciate it.) - do you mean a personal explanation for our beliefs in why there is so much pain and suffering in the world - man-made or not - and where it's taking us? just want to make sure i'm hearing you. namaste, xelena IP: Logged |
trillian Knowflake Posts: 4050 From: The Boundless Registered: Mar 2003
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posted June 24, 2004 09:31 AM
paras, would you offer such cold comfort tosomeone you love? Would you be so detached if someone you love met tragedy and needed a friend? We are beautiful and frail on this earth. Intellectually, we understand The Plan, that we will live, experience great joys and great pains, and that we will die, as will those around us. But our hearts are gentle and needy...we need love and rainbows and gentle mist over the clover as the sun rises. We need to believe that love transcends all...and when All seems to have been ripped away from us...it hurts. We are compromised because although we know what this earth is made of, we are wary of turning our hearts to stone. We want to hug those we love and return balance and joy to their lives when they hurt...rather than slap them and tell them to wake up. We know that everything will be, nay, is alright...but damn if it doesn't take all we have to not wake screaming or crying some days. There are three rules in life. The first is to Be Kind. The second is to Be Kind. The third is to Be Kind. pixie...you know what a wondrous creature you are. You and your daughter will butt heads, and still love in the end. Some of the people I love the most, are those with whom I butt heads. You're tired and exhausted, dear...you will get the negative energy out of your body as you heal and all will shine for you again. IP: Logged |
trillian Knowflake Posts: 4050 From: The Boundless Registered: Mar 2003
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posted June 24, 2004 11:25 AM
paras, if your post was just basic commentary, and not meant for pixie, I apologize if I seemed harsh. Any confrontational tone was not my intent. IP: Logged |
juniperb Knowflake Posts: 6830 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Mar 2002
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posted June 24, 2004 11:37 AM
Pixie, I`m sobbing with you. It is all as it is ment to be yet it still hurts so bad, frightens us, and creates a search for the underlying cause. We must bear the pain, trust the fright to the angels and never stop seeking the divine love and understanding of the Uni-verse. We grow one soul at a time to create a uni-versal fullness of love and divinity. Each one of us is on that path and it WILL create a better world Have faith in s-Elf. Anyhow, thats the premise I live my personal life by. And Pix, headbutting? I have a Scorp son with lots of Aries placements if that tells you anything Love and Lite to our wonderful Knowflakes. juniperb ------------------ If having a soul means being able to feel love and loyalty and gratitude, then animals are better off than a lot of humans. ~James Herriot IP: Logged |
Special Knowflake Posts: 421 From: Another timezone Registered: May 2004
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posted June 24, 2004 12:43 PM
Lots has been said since my visit yesterday. 26t ~ People call me a 'closet hippie'! You're passion's started a great thread here pixie ~ How are you feeling now sweets? I'm sorry I wasn't in the thread earlier to comfort you, but the others 26, XB, trillian, juni, have done a grand job Y'know - I sensed some teensy thing the night we were on chat, and then confirmed it in your reply to Solstice. I hope you're more at ease now honey paras ~ I guess that's one way of looking at it, and I do know what you're saying - but the global community's been through several disasters we're still in chaos in places. I don't think we can move on from any crisis if we're negative yang ~ Hopefully not too much longer - It's barbaric maven ~ Thanks for the confirmation of Order from Chaos - I've briefly looked into the mysteries of Rennes-le-Château and the Prieure du Sion and will read it more thoroughly when I have time. For the others who haven't read into this, it's interesting; http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/metis.htm Love to you all ------------------ "Be humble for you are made of earth. Be noble for you are made of stars." Serbian proverb IP: Logged |
pixelpixie Knowflake Posts: 5301 From: Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 2005
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posted June 24, 2004 01:30 PM
See? Now I know why I come here so often, and look forward to posting and learning. Thanks for all the grand words and support and empathy. Next time I have an emotionally exhausting day, I know I can be here and be heard. Thank you for that. I'm feeling a wee bit better. Lemme tell you, It's not echinacea, goldenseal, vitamin E or Royal Jelly, but it is Advil Cold and Sinus. The only way I could get up and function without so many overwhelming body/head aches. Sorry it isn't very 'naturalist' of me..... but it helped. . . to you all.IP: Logged |
maven Knowflake Posts: 94 From: Rennes-le-Chateau Registered: May 2004
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posted June 24, 2004 01:33 PM
No Xelena I was actually referring to a very tough personal situation I have been going through for the past two years now.Sorry that I did not clarify about said sentance.I just seems no one has answers at times when we need it most and it is hard to "have faith" like the good public tells you to when we should know better.And yes the Rennes is quite fascinating.Am planning a trip eventually to visit her and the Rosslyn soon enough. Blessings.....maven ------------------ "I am an enigma,wrapped up in a mystery,shrouded by lies" IP: Logged |
paras Knowflake Posts: 1660 From: the Heart of It All Registered: May 2004
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posted June 25, 2004 04:23 PM
Trillian: yes, it was general commentary. I made the mistake I am so often tempted to make: replying to a string without reading all of it.IP: Logged | |