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juniperb
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posted June 25, 2004 08:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message

This WILL NEVER happen... Ordain it knowflakes!!!

Top Stories - Los Angeles Times


Governor Wants to Repeal Law Favoring Pet Adoption

Fri Jun 25, 7:55 AM ET


By Robert Salladay Times Staff Writer

SACRAMENTO — In his brief political career, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (news - web sites) has challenged powerful state unions, prison guards and wealthy American Indian tribes alike. But now he is up against a group with far greater numbers and a louder voice: animal lovers.

Schwarzenegger wants to repeal California's comprehensive law forcing animal shelters to hold stray cats and dogs up to six days before killing them, a budget-cutting move that has enraged pet adoption groups.


As a favor to the state's cash-poor counties and cities, Schwarzenegger has asked the state Legislature to reverse the 1998 law, which makes adoption of wayward pets the first priority of shelters instead of quickly putting them to death. The law is dubbed the Hayden Act, after former Santa Monica state senator and activist Tom Hayden.


"This is an issue that affects the care and protection of tens of thousands of stray animals, and will inflict heartbreak on a lot of owners and people in the animal adoption world," Hayden said Thursday.


Few issues can incite animal lovers more than the abuse or killing of pets. Los Angeles' animal services director, Jerry Greenwalt, retired in April after protesters vandalized his house and spray-painted "murderer" on his car. Claiming the city killed too many animals, protesters also picketed the San Pedro home of Mayor James K. Hahn (only to be targeted themselves by Hahn's neighbors, armed with squirt guns.)


Many experienced politicians say it is best to either be an advocate for animals or stay clear of the issue.


"There is no organized constituency of cats and dogs, but certainly the pet owners of America will find this reprehensible," said Barbara O'Connor, director of the Institute for the Study of Politics and Media at Cal State Sacramento.


"Cats and dogs are like mom and apple pie. Don't mess with the pets. Most people prefer them to other people."


Hahn, in fact, announced last year that the city would stop killing animals by 2008, but Los Angeles continues to put to death cats, dogs and other animals that are not adopted. The city handles more than 60,000 animals each year and kills about 34,000, or 54%. An estimated 600,000 dogs and cats are put to death each year statewide.


The Schwarzenegger administration said repealing the Hayden Act could save local governments up to $14 million. As proposed, shelters would be allowed to kill dogs and cats after holding them just 72 hours, regardless of whether the shelters are open to the public during those three days.


But animal rights activists believe cats and dogs should not be sacrificed in an effort to save money amid the state's budget shortfall.


"It's sad they would put a price tag on the animals," said Kathy Riordan, a member of the Los Angeles Animal Services Commission and daughter of Schwarzenegger advisor and former Mayor Richard Riordan.


Schwarzenegger has proposed a change in the law to allow birds, hamsters, potbellied pigs, rabbits, snakes, turtles and other animals that are not cats and dogs to be put to death immediately after capture if the shelter favors that approach, animal rights groups said. Currently, a minimum six-day window covers all animals, but the protections for everything but cats and dogs would be eliminated under the changes.


Schwarzenegger also would eliminate a requirement that people convicted of animal cruelty be prohibited from owning a pet for three years and be forced to pay for medical care for the animals they have mistreated.


Shelters no longer would be required to search for owners who have embedded microchips in their pets that store addresses and phone numbers.


There are signs that Schwarzenegger has a growing understanding of how volatile the issue of animal protection can be.


Amid complaints from animal rights groups, the Schwarzenegger administration said it has been working to keep portions of the Hayden Act that do not cost local shelters money, such as requiring pets to be offered to nonprofit rescue groups before they are killed.


Schwarzenegger's aides are expected to meet soon with animal rights groups and local governments to reach a compromise on the issue before the 2004-05 state budget is approved by the Legislature, perhaps as soon as this weekend.

H.D. Palmer, a spokesman for the state's Department of Finance, said the administration would like to cut costs for local governments but also fix an unintended consequence that local governments said came because of the Hayden Act: overcrowding because shelters must hold even vicious dogs for up to six days. Subsequently, Palmer said, shelters have been forced to kill animals to make room for new animals than come in every day.

"Because of space limitations, the shelters are being forced to euthanize animals who are otherwise highly adoptable immediately after the holding time," Palmer said, "whereas before that they could use some discretion and delay that."

Pet adoption and animal rights groups said repeal of the Hayden Act would sacrifice protections for animals in order to save cities and counties money, although exactly how much money is being disputed. But many also said they do not believe Schwarzenegger would purposely advocate killing animals sooner to save local budgets.

"They are attempting to cut this budget with a hatchet instead of a scalpel, and they are not thinking rationally," said Rich McLellan, director of the Animal Legislative Action Network in Los Angeles and a consultant on the 1998 legislation.

Jennifer Fearing, director of programs for United Animal Nations in Sacramento, said the Hayden Act managed to move California to fairly reasonable shelter standards — certainly not groundbreaking — and ending the law would set California back. "It wasn't like we revolutionized things," she said, "but we greatly improved the status of animals in shelters, and we focused on a policy of not killing animals. This undoes all of that."

Under the current law, animals at shelters must be held at least four business days before the shelter can consider killing them. A stray animal must be kept at least six days if the shelter is open only Monday through Friday and does not offer evening hours.

The optional evening and weekend hours often give owners time to search for lost pets after work and allow nonprofit rescue workers time to search for dogs and cats to offer for adoption themselves. Nonprofit rescue shelters also pay government-run shelters to take cats and dogs and save them from death.

Some lawmakers say Schwarzenegger should not repeal part of the law that requires people convicted of animal cruelty to pay the veterinary costs of the injured animal. That item is under discussion this week.

"If we repeal that, guess who has to pay for the cost? The taxpayers," said Assemblyman Lloyd Levine (D-Van Nuys). "We are overturning a policy I think most people would agree with and we are going to be costing the state money."

The state has been struggling with how to close a $15-billion shortfall, and counties and cities have been complaining that lawmakers continually put spending mandates on them without reimbursement. For counties, the requirement to hold cats and dogs has been a complaint since the Hayden Act passed.

Exactly how much local governments are being forced to spend because of the Hayden Act has been the subject of dispute for years. The Commission on State Mandates said two years ago that local governments are owed $79.2 million, a figure the state auditor later said was inflated. Who pays for state laws about animal shelters is now the subject of a lawsuit and a bill in the Legislature.

"I believe it's premature not only because of the pending court cases, but also premature because we don't have an assessment of how much is owed," said Taimie Bryant, a UCLA law professor who teaches a class on animal law and helped write the Hayden Act.

Lawmakers say repealing the Hayden Act has not been given a proper hearing in a policy committee and should not have been inserted into the proposed state budget without oversight. Now, some are threatening to withhold their vote on the budget until the Schwarzenegger administration withdraws or alters its plan.

"As far as I'm concerned, this throws a wrench in the budget negotiations," said Assemblyman Paul Koretz (D-West Hollywood). "I would not want to make this part of the budget vote. Why would we want to make it easier to kill adoptable animals?"

Please help Californians protest this!

California
Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger
Governor's Office Mailing Address:
Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger
State Capitol Building
Sacramento, CA 95814
Phone: 916-445-2841
Fax: 916-445-4633
email: governor@governor.ca.gov

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posted June 25, 2004 09:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message
This is especially sickening:

"Schwarzenegger also would eliminate a requirement that people convicted of animal cruelty be prohibited from owning a pet for three years and be forced to pay for medical care for the animals they have mistreated."

I will send Mr. Schawarzenegger an e-mail about this. It just really pi$$es me off. It's bad enough they only get 6 days, but this is ridiculous.

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posted June 25, 2004 09:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message
I am p!ssed off.

Grrrr.

I'm so glad he can't ever run for President.

Grrrr.

I am without words.

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posted June 25, 2004 09:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for maven     Edit/Delete Message
What a total ass.Before I had my son I was a vet tech and luckily our practice took in stray animals and we never put them down..no matter what we always found them homes (eh hem which is why I have 5 cats and a dog but anywho....).Sadly in order to stop most of the problem people need to really be on top of spaying and neutering their pets.I know it is costly but low cost vouchers can be obtained through various shelters and rescue organizations.I strongly feel that all breeders...of any animal in fact..should not only be made to obtain a license but also have a yearly fee they should pay in order to maintian this license..which proceeds should go to the local spay and neuter programs/shelters and rescues in the area.It's the back yard breeders that are killing us...everyone thinks puppies and litties are "so cute".It's not cute however to slaughter millions of animals a year..good animals simply because no one has the time or the money.Even the horses I own came from other people.. one was abused and was going to be put down and the other was abandoned.I strongly urge everyone not to fall for the ole pet store trick of cute fluffy pets..instead go find an animal who really needs a home and maybe the breeders who run the puppy mills will start getting the message.Thanks for this wonderful and yet albeit sad article.Many Blessings....maven

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posted June 25, 2004 10:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Special     Edit/Delete Message
I know - Juni I replied to this post in Heathcliffe's Corner - surely he can't go ahead with this ???

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posted June 25, 2004 11:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for La-Tee-Da     Edit/Delete Message
I just burned off two scathing emails to Arnie. I am enraged!!!

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posted June 26, 2004 10:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message
Bravo LTD I did as well.

This is barbaric and evil. Now the terminator is playing God! No amount of Kennedy can ever win this atrocity.

No punishment for animal abusers Thats enough to horrify and alienate the population.

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posted June 26, 2004 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BloodRedMoon     Edit/Delete Message
Well.. it's already not going to happen as of last night anyway.

Honestly - REALISTICALLY - speaking, what is a solution to the problem with the huge overabundance of unwanted animals in the state of California that will not put the state with the biggest deficit into more financial turmoil?

Yeah yeah people should have their pets fixed. But too many DON'T. Too many are irresponsible. I don't really see this as "oooh Arnold is a big bad man" but more of "Wow there are a lot of irresponsible a$$holes out there that can't take care of their animals"

Yeah there are some no-kill shelters but they are expensive to run and, I think, handled by private donations. The shelters here are overrun already and there's no more room but the animals keep pouring in.

I'm a HUGE animal person. I cry when I see a cat outside and hungry. I get emotional when I see them in shelters and cages and I want one so very badly. Heck I cry when I see dogfood commercials. But REALISTICALLY what can be done? I've seen a lot of people bash Arnold over this (even though he's already changed his mind anyway) but not offer any real solutions that will make REAL dents in the problem.

Even if there was some sort of law where people had to have licenses to show they were responsible enough to have a pet and not allow it to breed unwanted litters -- what would happen to the hundreds of thousands of animals in the shelters? Live in a cage for the rest of their lives?

It's not a simple problem to say the least.


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posted June 26, 2004 03:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LibraSparkle     Edit/Delete Message

I will be sending an email to this fiend too!

What's next? Orphans?!

What a compassionless goon!

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posted June 26, 2004 03:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LibraSparkle     Edit/Delete Message
I have two kitties. My pets aren't licenced. I'm not an irresponsible pet owner. My pets have had shots, and been spayed and neutered.

I chose not to licence my pets because I see it as another way of the government trying to make a buck off of common people. Why the hell should I pay a pet tax (or licence fee, as they like to call it) when my pet doesn't reap any of the benifits from society?! I shouldn't. So, I don't licence my pets. They are just cats anyway. If I had a dog, I might feel differently since there is the possibility of dog bites and such.

Not licencing your pets DOES NOT make you and irresponsible pet owner. Not taking care of your pet makes you irresponsible.

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posted June 26, 2004 03:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BloodRedMoon     Edit/Delete Message
*shrugs*
I didn't even know there was such a thing as licensing your pet. That's not what I was talking about. But I've seen people in this discussion on other boards about this problem say "Well people should have licenses to own pets so irresponsible people won't have pets and let them breed everywhere."

So I brought up the fact that that won't solve the immediate problem anyway before someone could say that would solve everything.

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Calif. Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger reverses his position on the controversial move to kill stray animals in the state's shelters more quickly in order to save the state money. The about-face comes after a flood of protests from animal lovers....

featured on www.drudgereport.com

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posted June 26, 2004 03:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isis     Edit/Delete Message
He's already backpedalled on it and it changing his position. I read this yesterday and was really appalled - I'm sure everyone's emails and the general outrage did the trick. Good to see the machine does still work

Reuters: Schwarzenegger spares stray animals
Sat 26 June, 2004 19:37


California strays have had a reprieve -- from the Terminator.

Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger reversed a money-saving move late on Friday that would have allowed animal shelters to put down animals within 72 hours instead of the current six business days.

The proposal, buried in Schwarzenegger's $103 billion (56 billion pound) state budget since December, only came to light this week, drawing howls of protest from animal lovers.

"There was a mistake that I made," Schwarzenegger said at a news conference. "Animals will be kept in animal shelters for six days and so everything will stay exactly the same."

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Here in our cities we have a pet license.I live in the countryside and it does not affect me or my pets.I am a very responsible pet owner.I have spayed/neutered 13 strays in my neighborhood and gave them good homes.One cat went to a nursing home to be the resident pet and she is very well pampered.
I don't know the right answer for this problem.Working in the vet field makes it worse..you see all kinds.I see rich people who will put their cat down for a UTI and I see "poor people" spend $700 to fix a broken leg on their dog that the neighbor ran over,money they really didn't have to spend in the first place.All we can do is keep plugging away..I am not sure what is the right solution.I think anyone with a kind heart would love to help stop this problem...the senseless slaughter of animals every year is cruel.I wish not another one would have to die but that is not realistic.I do wish however that people caught running breeding operations would get punished more heavily then a slap on the wrist and a fine.In this state they have even actually had their dogs returned to them a week later!And now they are trying to pass a "pet food" tax.Totally disagree with that altogether..that is about as bad as a "baby food tax" in my eyes.I one day hope that their are more community programs to help educate the public about this growing problem and ways we can reduce the numbers killed each year.Blessings....maven

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posted June 26, 2004 05:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message
Thank the God/dess

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posted June 27, 2004 12:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for quiksilver     Edit/Delete Message
I don't think this was the best political move on Arnie's part. I have three kittens that I absolutely adore.
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Stray animals should be fixed and then released IF all else fails. (So should some humans for that matter, what with all the millions of men and women who use abortion as just another form of birth control.) All life - human and animal - is precious and not to be taken lightly. We should send some healing thoughts to those people who would so ambivalently kill animals in need of love and a home. Hopefully, this healing energy might just come full circle to our animal friends...What comes around goes around, so might as well share the love...

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posted June 27, 2004 01:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BloodRedMoon     Edit/Delete Message
Fixed and released??

Surely you know that the life of a stray animal is completely horrible. I don't really think that is humane at all!

And stray dogs are a danger to little kids!

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posted June 27, 2004 03:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
juni,
I'm appalled!

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posted June 27, 2004 05:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for La-Tee-Da     Edit/Delete Message
I think Arnie should take some of that Kennedy money $$$$$ and GIVE it to the shelters, so that strays can live longer than 6 days!!! He makes me sick....and I really used to like him.

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posted June 27, 2004 10:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for quiksilver     Edit/Delete Message
Blood Red,
I said, IF all else fails, this should be an alternative. I think animals would prefer some sort of life, as opposed to no life. I do know how strays suffer. I feed 2 of them every day and the only reason they're still out there is because I haven't been able to catch them. (And I don't trust the animal "control" people).

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posted June 27, 2004 11:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message
La-Tee-Da, what a wonderful idea.

Perfect answer to save our animals and gain redemption from the voters.

In an imperfect world there are no perfect answers to the animal problems facing us.

Education is the biggest factor. Help educate the people about their care, dis-ease, spaying/neutering and responsibility.Only with an educated public can we all work together to stop this horrific overbreeding, dis-ease and the aggressive animal boom.

Sadly, love isn`t enough; action by each and every one of us is the key. We make a difference !

Give all of your beloved and safe four leggeds a hug for me and I thank the God/dess they have YOU!!!!


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posted June 27, 2004 02:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BloodRedMoon     Edit/Delete Message
I really want to go adopt a dog this year. I'd prefer a cat but my husband is allergic. *sniffs*

So.. have to find a small dog that isn't too annoying and doesn't yap at 2am unless someone is breaking in. HA!! Wish me luck!

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I'm disgusted by that. It's murder, plain and simple.

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