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Topic: What you resist persists
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orchidspirit Knowflake Posts: 159 From: UK Registered: May 2004
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posted June 30, 2004 02:10 PM
if what you resist persists why does it not follow that when you are trying really hard to do/be something that it happen easily?I thought the notion that what you resist persist meant that beacuse you were "avoiding"/"Trying not to do be" something meant you were focusing on it, and that very act brought it closer to you. So how come this theory doesnt work the other way round? How come the harder I look for/try to do or be something the more elusive it becomes?
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maven Knowflake Posts: 94 From: Rennes-le-Chateau Registered: May 2004
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posted June 30, 2004 03:03 PM
Orchid......what a wonderful question! I was pondering this myself this morning over pie making.You know what..I don't know.I have a good friend who is very in touch with her spiritual side and is many years older than me (who the pie is for btw LOL!)who believes that this is the Universe trying to show you a hidden aspect or attribute about yourself.Not sure about that one but it does seem the more I try to "forget" the more I actually remember.Maybe it is simply an unconscious act..the mind trying to see a bigger picture than we can actually grasp.What a wonderful question...I will have to ponder this more and get back to you.Blessings....maven P.S....I sent you that email about John.------------------ "I am an enigma,wrapped up in a mystery,shrouded by lies" IP: Logged |
orchidspirit Knowflake Posts: 159 From: UK Registered: May 2004
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posted June 30, 2004 04:39 PM
Thanks MavenI feel its one to ponder for a while any feedback you may have will be great Orchid x IP: Logged |
26taurus Knowflake Posts: 13411 From: * Registered: Jun 2004
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posted June 30, 2004 05:19 PM
Hi Orchidspirit,When you persist at something, you are reinforcing the idea that you don't have it in your life. The more you are telling yourself that you ARE lacking something. The brain listens to what it's told. When your reality is that you do not have something you want, you never will. The more you are trying to get or be something the more you are believing that you do not have it, or are "it". The more you are training the mind to believe you are lacking, the more you WILL notice that you are lacking. So it is harder to get "it" -or so it seems. All good things are yours. Everything you need or want is awaiting you NOW. I know this is hard to grasp, especially when you do not see what you want in your life. You think it is not there, because you do not see it. You must BELIEVE it to SEE it. This is hard and takes much practice to retrain the mind. I do not belong to a religion, but I believe in a Higher Power, God, what ever you chose to call him. And I believe he will always provide you with what is good for you and what you want. Most people don't understand this. We were taught to feel guilty if we want something. We must work hard to get anything. We are not deserving or worthy. I do not belive this. And have proven it in my life many times. I talking about changing my reality to how I WANT it to be. Through the power of my thinking and belief. It has worked countless times, by manifesting tangible physical things in my life. But, don't get me wrong I am far from being totally THERE yet. If that makes sense. I am a deserving soul, loved, and provided for always by God and MYSELF. Who is but a small peice of God. We all are. He has given us the power of free-will. He wants us to know that he is here to provide everything for us. He loves everyone of us. He is us. We must truly KNOW this before it can be proven to each of us in our own lives. Know that right now, no matter how it may not seem like it, you are at the perfect point in your life. Not that you shouldnt strive to change, grow. But when you are in the now, and choose the knowing that right now you have everything you need, and you are a divine creature of this planet. You will KNOW that you are never lacking anything truly. And when you do feel like something is lacking, that is because you made that choice. Everything you need is waiting for you to claim it NOW. Remind yourself everyday what a beautiful, deserving soul you are. You have everything you need, RIGHT HERE and RIGHT NOW. Walk this path gently, and ask to hurt no other soul in the process. And ask to be able to help anyone you can, in their own best interests as you walk your path. Hope I'm making sense and this will help you in some way. 26 IP: Logged |
Gia Knowflake Posts: 1154 From: California Registered: May 2004
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posted June 30, 2004 05:20 PM
Where ever your ATTENTION GOES your energy flows. Always and without exception. ALWAYS.Now if it seems that you are trying really hard at something and it does not seem to come easily. It simply means you are trying in the wrong way. Perhaps instead of just focusing on the doing which of course is an act of intent and very important, you should also be focusing MORE strongly on the actual achievement. You might ask how this works? Well it has to do as always with energy. How does energy work? Energy seeks it's OWN level, so basically your attention must be at the same level for manifestation to occur. All things negative happen quicker because the vibrational energy is so much lower. Energy both yours and mine has a force to it. There is nothing that you can't do. Now sometimes we bring stuff to us without even thinking about how we did it. If you look back conscientiously I believe you will always find a link somewhere. Thank goodness we don't always sustain thoughts long. Most of us flip from one to another all day long. Imagine what chaos it would cause us all, if that was all it took to manifest. We'd all be in jail! IP: Logged |
26taurus Knowflake Posts: 13411 From: * Registered: Jun 2004
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posted June 30, 2004 05:34 PM
Well said, Gia! IP: Logged |
maven Knowflake Posts: 94 From: Rennes-le-Chateau Registered: May 2004
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posted June 30, 2004 07:52 PM
All very good points.But I have to play "devil's advocate" here for a second.The mention that we must walk our paths gently without trying to harm another soul is a valid goal to strive for.However..as much as we would like to deny it....sometimes the negative things have to take place in order for the positive ones to manifest.I am not suggesting of course you focus on the negative..heaven's no!But you have to recognise and respect the balance..you cannot have one without the other.As far as chaos is concerned....I know most would agree that right now this world is in a state of moral decay.Now if that isn't chaos I don't know what is.I think bottomline that sometimes we aren't meant to know the answers until we are ready to comprehend them on all levels..not just the superficial ones.I don't know if I would want to know all the answers....that takes the learning out of the stumbling we do on our Paths.Through some of those stumbles we can often learn the most about ourselves.All we can do is our best..to ourselves and to others in our circle.Extend a hand in greatfulness into the world and you will recieve the blessings back thricefold.Many Blessings......maven------------------ "I am an enigma,wrapped up in a mystery,shrouded by lies" IP: Logged |
26taurus Knowflake Posts: 13411 From: * Registered: Jun 2004
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posted June 30, 2004 08:02 PM
Hi maven I agree with what youve said totally. Without the negative we wouldnt know positive. I have stumbled MANY times. Fallen flat on my face - HARD. And I appreciate these times, for I have learned alot from them. Yes, all we can do is our BEST. Or at least try. To always strive for this, and not knock people over pupously in the process. We are all human and must make mistakes in order to learn from them. We WILL sometimes hurt people, even when it wasnt our intention. Great thoughts. to you. 26 IP: Logged |
dafremen unregistered
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posted June 30, 2004 08:05 PM
The answer perhap lies in the want, the desire...the will behind them all.Taurus' points are well made, in that we cannot TRULY follow the will of God AND our own until our will bends to the will of the Divine. Who am I to say that what I find unpleasant or undesirable in my life is unnecessary to what God WANTS of and for my life? What I must learn to want, is exactly what I have...what must I learn to be content with? What is and nothing more. The Lord knows my heart, my needs, my desires and there is no reason at all to think that an obedient child of God will not find them all granted in due time. Love, daf IP: Logged |
maven Knowflake Posts: 94 From: Rennes-le-Chateau Registered: May 2004
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posted June 30, 2004 08:13 PM
Yes but sometimes it's the waiting that sucks.LOL! Very true though..very true.And thanks taurus..I like what you wrote as well!Blessings..maven------------------ "I am an enigma,wrapped up in a mystery,shrouded by lies" IP: Logged |
26taurus Knowflake Posts: 13411 From: * Registered: Jun 2004
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posted June 30, 2004 08:15 PM
Hi Daf - missed you. A wise man once said: "There are two ways to be rich. One is to have what you want; the other is to want what you have." "There are only two ways to live your life - one is as if everything is a miracle, the other is as though nothing is a miracle." Albert Einstein IP: Logged |
Philbird Knowflake Posts: 3396 From: Here, there and everywhere. Registered: Jun 2004
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posted June 30, 2004 08:54 PM
Deep, Deep, kudos to you all.My theory goes like this: Ruuubb the shiny lamp. Ruuubb the shiny lamp. If you don't know what the geanie (sp) looks like, all of your wishes will come true. IP: Logged |
silverbells Knowflake Posts: 1506 From: The second star to the right (which shines in the night for'eer) Registered: Apr 2003
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posted June 30, 2004 10:44 PM
------------------ Get some love in your groove, just get hip to forgive - Michael Franks IP: Logged |
Gia Knowflake Posts: 1154 From: California Registered: May 2004
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posted June 30, 2004 11:06 PM
I'm sorry but I so disagree. Pain or suffering is not part of Gods plan. They are the factors of coarse energy of the physical plane. God does not even have awareness of negativity. God is like a huge force of energy. God is an energy of indescribable power, all loving, all seeing, all feeling. God is universal. God is everything. However, remember God gives us fee will. He does not tell us what to have for dinner every night. He is WITHIN YOU. You tell yourself what to have for dinner every night!That is why beloved Jeshua talks about the kingdom within YOU. YOU are the one in control whether or not your conscious of it. I call this my HIGHER SELF. When we tune in to our higher selves, God (our highest vibration), we make better choices. God cannot be part of negativity. For God is ALL POSITIVE. He is in everything, everywhere, a flower, a rock, under a tree, in you. He is a participant ONLY THROUGH YOU. Now before you all write and tell me about the starving millions and the suffering etc. etc. etc. Suffering is part of each persons growth. We made that suffering not God. We have it in our power to change that. Will we? We are the world. That's how the song goes and that's how it is. To change the world I guess we have to change us first. Start with your life manifesting that which is your highest good. Never harm another and always aim high. If you measure your value by who you are as a child of God, there is no end to your reserves.
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dafremen unregistered
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posted June 30, 2004 11:32 PM
So much truth there Gia...And so this freewill we have...are you saying that the choices we make and the consequences of those choices are unknown to God? There is no pain that you feel in this life which is real but that you make it real. If you would identify so heavily with the carnal carnival, then you will be sucked into the show. How is one guided? Is one drawn only to the light? Or does one flee from the darkness as well? To deny that darkness has anything to do with God is to deny that the Creation is of God and that God does indeed encompass all. Perhaps, instead it is more productive to understand this..love does not always spoil you...sometimes it punishes you as well. There is Mother love and there is Father love. There is Cancerian caring and there is Capricorn concern. To wit: "I'd rather see you cry now than watch you bleed later." Love, daf IP: Logged |
Philbird Knowflake Posts: 3396 From: Here, there and everywhere. Registered: Jun 2004
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posted July 01, 2004 12:24 AM
"God", or any other name we want to give it... DOES NOT EXIST!We only "suffer" because we know we can. For the same reason, we can be happy. But if the existance of a controlling "God" were not planted in our brain from birth, we would just be our own energy. Like the animals who don't take pity on themselves when they are hurt or die. Only because we have a conscious, can we blame, claim, or ordain a god. Obviously a lot of people need someone to curse for their unhappiness and thank for their "blessings" (it couldn't be THEM who were responsible, could it?) So many truely devoted religious people "Thank God" they didn't get killed after being hit by a truck or malled by a tiger! Yeah, he was present enough all right, scratching his ass while making sure you only got hurt, but not killed! GIVE ME A BREAK! Is he around to pay the medical bills? Not even 80%? IT's ENERGY FOLKS! MY STANCE! How spiteful a God to let a child get shocked while touching a night-lite that looked like his son! ELECTRICITY! Yes Gia, I was getting shocked back when I was five! IP: Logged |
Gia Knowflake Posts: 1154 From: California Registered: May 2004
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posted July 01, 2004 01:15 AM
Of course God is all knowing. He participates through you. I believe that God is a force, a divine energy that is not emotional or judgemental in the human sense. It is a divine energy that vibrates to the highest love. It knows no evil/darkness.When we flee from darkness we make a choice. It is our OUR CHOICE. We cannot always change how others behave, but we can change how we respond. Hence we do not add to the darkness. I guess in a sense I suppose you could say we flee. The human energy that expresses itself in the form of evil is the same that can through choice, express itself in the form of love. My understanding of evil/darkness is the denying of love. Am I wrong? You are guided by seeking the highest good always. The more you do it the easier it becomes. God is in all creation it's true. God gave us free will in this creation to also create. He did not create EVIL. That is why EVIL is LIVE. We created it during life by choice. Lets just say for example, you decided to break into a house and steal lots of money. Then lets say, you shot a person whilst you were doing this awful deed. Well it goes like this, I think God is in you, the gun, the house, the person you shot, but God was NOT resposible for your act. He knows about it sure. But sorry, it's your choice using free will he lovingly gave you. Duality is the expression of free will and all life. I do not believe that divine love is mutable. In fact it is adamant. It is interesting reading all the very latest on the so called adamantine particles in physics. I'm not sure who said it first, but somebody named them the "God Particles." Is that not a coincidence? Stop giving God human characteristics Philly. He is not responsible for you getting shocked. Where were your parents? Was the night light faulty? Was it made in China? Sorry, that was a really bad joke.... Goodness, when are WE going to really start taking responsibility? God is within you, but he didn't make you touch the light now did he? Go on now Philly, what really made you touch the light? I'm now making the good choice to go off and have a nice drinky. A large glass of Merlot should do the trick. I think I need the energy. May the good force be with you all. Seek always the answer within. Be not too influenced by the thoughts or words of others around you. Not even mine. We are all of us sharing a little and having a banter. It helps us all grow, to think perhaps a little out of our own box. The answer is always within YOU. Always. Check it out. Cheers! Gia
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orchidspirit Knowflake Posts: 159 From: UK Registered: May 2004
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posted July 01, 2004 01:22 AM
Thankyou all for your repliesAll have contributed to my question and what I was thinking at the time. Love Orchidx IP: Logged |
orchidspirit Knowflake Posts: 159 From: UK Registered: May 2004
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posted July 01, 2004 01:27 AM
DafSorry to be a pain - I sent you an email Orchidx IP: Logged |
Gia Knowflake Posts: 1154 From: California Registered: May 2004
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posted July 01, 2004 01:35 AM
Just one more thing Philly. I'm not at all religious. I don't think I'm anything in particular other than a child of divine creation. I don't belong to any particular faith, although I do believe in Jesus so if that makes me religious in your eyes, so be it.I don't go to church anymore I don't feel I need to find God there as he's everywhere. Although some of the old cathedrals in the U.K. are smashing and I go because I love the way they feel. Nope, I guess if I were religious I'd have to say I belong to all of the clubs. Cheers again. And keep away from night lights Anyway, what happened to the made me do it??? Ha! IP: Logged |
dafremen unregistered
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posted July 01, 2004 09:42 AM
Thanks again for your words Gia. I don't think that there is a difference between our takes on your hypothetical situation. Yes God is in all things present during the robbery. To say that badness is part of the Creation and that God created it of itself is NOT to say that God is responsible for all of the BAD stuff that happens. That's really a false assumption you've made about my statements and so let me clarify:If a road is made whose boundaries are defined by yellow lines and outside of those boundaries there lie unpleasant consequences for travelers should they stray off into the wilderness. If there are SIGNS which warn the traveler of these dangers...and finally if ALL of these, the traveler, the road, the boundaries, the signs and the wilderness were all designed by the same entity...is that entity responsible for whatever unpleasant circumstances arise should the traveler disregards the signs and the boundaries and step off into the wilderness? Of course not. Is the designer any less the creator of the wilderness or the traveler? Absolutely not. Hopefully that will bring some clarity to this non-disagreement that we seem to be having. Love, daf IP: Logged |
orchidspirit Knowflake Posts: 159 From: UK Registered: May 2004
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posted July 01, 2004 09:56 AM
So if the answer is about energy, then if I focus on something that should create what I'm focusing on right? as long as I'm not telling myself its something I want (which I dont have), because that would be focusing on my not having. I can see that in theory this should work. But God is energy is he not? he is everything and all the space in between. So if the answer is about walking with God and being on the right path. How do we really know when we are doing Gods will? Ok so there are signs that tell us about the dangers of straying, but how do we know when we are reading the right signs in the right way? If the bible is a lie how do we know what is truth? How can we measure divine will? When do things stop being divine will and become freewill? IP: Logged |
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posted July 01, 2004 12:10 PM
Orchid,First of all, let me say that I am by no means going to be able to answer all of these questions to your complete satisfaction. Anyone here who claims that they can has been caught up in delusion. Secondly, let me TRY to answer SOME of your questions to the best of my abilities and hope that should I fall short, you will not. In both of your posts which I've responded to, you mention this "thing" that you would have materialize. Now whether that is a situation, a circumstance or a shiny new car makes no difference. What is important is that you understand that it is the desire to have or have happen that creates the dilemma in the first place. When you are deciding that THIS is bad or THAT is good, you are allowing the mind to decide based on opinion and perspective when the spirit ALREADY knows based on a direct connection with.. Truth for those few of you who are still prepared to deny the existence of your Creator, a connection with God for those of you who are not struggling with that denial. Stop thinking! There is a voice that guides when we stop deciding. That voice knows the path, it knows the signs, it knows what is true and what is not. That voice cannot and WILL not steer you wrong, but you have to listen to it. You have to learn to distinguish between your own thoughts and the urgings of the spirit. No book is going to do that for you. No human being is going to be able to walk with you down that road. It is yours to walk alone...the method that will bring you to know your spirit is yours to find. Those of us who are lucky enough to have known a few moments in the light that lies outside the darkness of our minds can only share what our experiences have to offer. If you do not find that way, then know this...it was not meant to be for you this time around...and then let it be. Love, daf P.S. I'm on the chat right now if you'd like to discuss it some more. IP: Logged |
maven Knowflake Posts: 94 From: Rennes-le-Chateau Registered: May 2004
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posted July 01, 2004 12:24 PM
Wow alot going on here in this post and some very excellent points that make you think.Gia I respect you and your values.I myself believe in a Higher force but I am not so selfish as to name it God (not suggesting that you are of course..just due to our lack of understanding as humankind)....we are unaware of the correct name because none of us really knows the right answers.So for the time remaining I just refer to it as a higher power...not neccessarily a higher good either.So this poses an interesting question.I am firm in my stance that Jesus after all was just a man.A smart man but a man none the less.Having said that how does freewill play into his story?Jesus may have been "of God" but that did not make him "like a God".We have Constantine to thank for that one.Which is sad because the debate takes so much away from some really great messages regardless of who they came from.I do not embrace this "think positive and it is all good" mindspeak.Again I clarify that without the balancer to each situation we would not be where we are now.Simple cause and effect.You can love and be of darkness...yes it is possible.Love exists in all and everything...even the bad things.If a man robs a store to steal groceries..yes that is bad.But if he stole the groceries to feed his starving family..see how the picture changes?Yes stealing is bad.Of course it is.But if he loved his family so much, and he didn't have any other option for food....is that bad too?I know this is a bad scenario but come on guys..I hear so many people talk all La Di Da about light and love and happiness.I am not saying these are bad things but in the process you forget the other factors that got you to that love and light and happiness.Embrace both.People fear what they don't understand,or at least that's what we're told.I do believe that people give the powers that be way too much credit....on any given day he is either a sinner or a saint depending on who you talk to.We'll never understand it all no matter how hard we would like to.No matter how hard we wish for good things..it ain't happening.Our human minds cannot comprehend such knowledge in such an inferior existance.So I pick my evils as they come.I know that somewhere..there is the balancer.Many Blessings.....maven------------------ "I am an enigma,wrapped up in a mystery,shrouded by lies" IP: Logged |
purplezen Knowflake Posts: 888 From: outer space Registered: Aug 2003
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posted July 01, 2004 12:38 PM
very well said, 26taurus. "Give thanks as if you already received it, then whatever you desire shall truly be yours." I probably quoted that wrong, but that's my 2 cents IP: Logged |