posted July 27, 2004 07:10 PM         

However, I have some misgivings. I don't want this to turn into a political discussion. Leave that to the GU forum. Personal opinions about the men should be left out of this string. I'm asking that our moderator, Juniperb, close this string if that happens.

It's not that I favor censorship, not at all. I just encourage an academic discussion about the election from an astrological perspective. There are already heated discussions about the men themselves in other forums.

OK...'nuff with the speech making. Here's what we've discussed so far:

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read somewhere, that John Kerry announced he was running for president during a void moon, and astrologically speaking that is a sign that he might not win.

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Hi StarLover.
You probably read one of my posts.

Historically, if a candidate accepts his party's nomination on a void-of-course moon, he will lose the election, as did Al Gore. This has been true since astrologers started watching, in the 1970's.

However, the moon will not be void when Kerry accepts on Thursday. The moon will be in Capricorn. So he has a chance.

I believe George Bush will re-accept on September 2nd, at the Republican Convention. If I'm wrong on the date, please let me know so we can look at it. If he accepts on September 2nd before 8:16 pm EDT, the moon will be void. After 8:16, it will be in Taurus.

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No, the first announcement Kerry made is what counts. Magi Astrology accepts only the first announcement which created the campaign chart. Bush rules out of it, because he automatically has to run for re-election, so one must look at the chart of his last innauguration. I don't know I could be wrong. The candidate has already been chosen, now we're just going to have to wait and see!

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Sorry to disagree StarLover, but the book I have is quite specific. It's the nomination that counts.
The first announcement of course has influence, and though the declaration of Kerry's bid for presidency was made on a void moon, he still won.

But I'm not using Magi Astrology.

Now, here's an excerpt about the nomination, I'll transcribe it for you, based on studies originated by astrologer Al H. Morrison:

"Historic events during such periods have a wild, Pandora's box impact on cultural evolution. The first two dozen successful space shots were all launched with the Moon void of course to open an all-new age in which old concepts and ideas are corrected or disproven. "

"In every presidential election from 1900 through 1972 one of the two major party candidates was nominated with the Moon void of course. Every one of the candidates nominated with the moon void of course lost."

"Jimmy Carter's 1980 nomination came in a void of course moon. "

And, Jimmy was already president. He lost his second bid for the White House.

Al Gore's nomination came on the void, too.

So, I do stand corrected--I thought it was the acceptance speech that counted. But what counts is when the nomination announcement is made from the Democratic/Republican party heads.

I'll be watching with interest.

Thanks for an interesting conversation, StarLover. Though I think we should copy it and send it to FFA!

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posted July 27, 2004 07:12 PM         

Kerry's speech is Thursday night...I assume his nomination will be made immediately prior to the speech? Anyone know for sure? I'm not sure what time it's scheduled for, either, but the moon is not void that evening.

posted July 27, 2004 07:28 PM         

I'm trying to determine when the actual nomination of John Kerry occurs. He is still considered the presumptive nominee. I'm guessing it's Thursday evening before he speaks...

Or is my understanding of the nomination process off?

posted July 27, 2004 07:40 PM         

I'll keep my opinions to myself...if I haf ta...

posted July 28, 2004 03:10 PM         

Come on knowflakes, share your insights!

posted July 28, 2004 03:42 PM         

We know John Kerry was there hands on fighting for our country. I think George Bush just thought it would look good on his reseme.

posted July 28, 2004 08:02 PM         

The reason I requested that we keep this string focused on the astrology rather than the men is for that very reason--our opinions and preferences polarize us. Discussions turn heated and ugly.

I simply thought we could work together as a very strong unit and look at the astrological trends and their possible ramifications and try to 'spoil' the race for President.

For instance, as you said, lalalinda, Saturn has recently conjuncted Bush's Sun in his 12th house, and before the election it will also conjunct his natal Saturn. This would not seem auspicious...however, I also have to wonder if it doesn't indicate a lot of hard work and lessons for the man.

It's interesting and I look forward to input from everyone who share the interest.
You too, lalalinda!

posted July 29, 2004 06:13 AM         

Moon 17 and Saturn 23 degrees Gemini and in the 7th house. You're not going to find to much hidden with Kerry and now (edit his 2nd saturn return is over, 7th house and open enemys) Would be the tme we would see it. The Moon Saturn conjunction doesn't trust easily and is careful not to let others get anything embarrassing or hold anything over their head with. in fact their more apt to pass.

His Moon sits on the desc. with Saturn close by. Both of these planets almost exactly oppose his Sun/ASC.

He has an empty 12th house, no big secrets and a beautifully placed Jupiter 27 Leo in its home house the 9. Looks like a patriot to me.
11th house Venus in Scorpio, this is a benefic, the man wants to do good (maybe because hes seen the horrors of war) He;ll be popular on female issues (or his wife will) He'll win over votes.

And last but not least at the top of his chart is??? Neptune conjuncting the MC. Neptune ruling the 4th house of home (our country) Neptune is recieving beneficial aspects from just about everything, and the ones that arn't exact yet are moving into place. Plus when its time to Vote Transiting jupiter will be close to his Natal Neptune At the top of his chart This can show honors .

posted July 29, 2004 09:52 AM         

It was scheduled for 11 p.m., though I think it started much later.

If is started before 11:57 p.m.---the moon was void of course.

posted July 29, 2004 11:31 AM         

I know...I'm the only one interested. Forgive me while I amuse myself.

lalalinda, I have been so busy at work. As soon as I get a chance I will read your insights!

posted July 29, 2004 01:12 PM         

I barely know what my own moon sign is...

posted July 29, 2004 02:08 PM         

Very insightful, lalalinda. Thanks for that. It's very interesting...and...

I really didn't mean to put a damper on anyone's enthusiasm for his/her favorite candidate. I just didn't want this to turn into something uncivil...perhaps that was just me being idealistic. Forgive me.

posted July 29, 2004 05:13 PM         

The one thing that really stands out about georges chart is that he has no planets on the right side (western hemisphere) of his chart (4-10) with the exception of a node in the 5th house. To say hes lived a sheltered life is an understatement.

His 12th house has Saturn 26 degrees Cancer and the Sun at 13. Both of these degrees are criticle. It would have been much better had this happened in the 10th or 1st house. Remember the 12th house is secret things and neither planet is happy there. This is a man who wants to go down in history at any cost. *edit*

He has a 7 degree Leo ASC. with Mercury at 9, Pluto at 10 and Venus at 21degrees Leo Criticle again. This is his money planet (among other things)
His Mercury and Pluto conjunction is one where you cant tell him anything. his thinking is stubborn and once hes made a decision no rhyme or reason can change that.

Mars and Neptune are in his money house (2nd) and incidently crude oil is ruled by mars and oil fields and oil wells are ruled by the 12th house and Neptune.

On a favorable note hes got the Moon, Jupiter and Chiron in the 3rd house (favors from siblings? Jeb?) And his mother loves him very much.

Hes going through his second saturn return and Saturn conjuncting his Natal sun. He will have to account for his actions. Saturn transiting the 12th house is going to bring out all sorts of things that he'd rather not have the public know about, starting with the farenheit 911.( I'm sure hes embarrassed) I think that just picked everyones curiosity.

As for current transits his Natal Saturn is square his MC (not good for public support) And after Saturn does a number on his 12th house its going to start on his Leo Asc. The ruler of the ASC. is in the 12th house again more explaining.

posted July 29, 2004 08:05 PM         

Both of these men have very interesting charts, whether we like them or not.

Would the rest of you here concur that the nomination process is not complete until Kerry accepts tonight? Is there an official proclamation tonight? The newspaper, USA Today, referred to tonight at the nomination, but the states were polled last night, so would last night count?

Bush will be re-nominated on September 2nd.

Thanks for all your time delving into those charts, lalalinda. You know, being as objective as possible, Bush's chart just doesn't look like a winner right now, at least not in obvious ways. And if he does win...it's not going to be easy, is it? Though I am but a novice in the ways of astrology, I could be way off base here.

posted July 29, 2004 10:17 PM         

Yep, I also read Ruth Montgomery's book on a possible walkin president. Because George W. Bush has transiting Saturn in Cancer conjucting his natal Sun right now, and since I think that indicates a Saturn Seven Cycle, well I just had to put the two together. What do you think Juniperb? Heck, the man's name is George WALKER Bush.